Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

'War on Christmas' Nonsense is a War on Secularists

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 08:16 AM
Original message
'War on Christmas' Nonsense is a War on Secularists
from Guardian UK's COmment is Free, via AlterNet:




'War on Christmas' Nonsense is a War on Secularists

By Polly Toynbee, Comment Is Free. Posted December 21, 2007.

Beneath the laughable charge is a poisonous suggestion that 'our way of life' is threatened by foreigners.




My thanks to the kind reader who sent me the program from this year's Christmas carol service at the Old Royal Naval College chapel in Greenwich. It was written by the Rev Jules Gomes, chaplain of the college, and of Trinity College of Music, and also of the University of Greenwich.

Here is the good chaplain's Christmas message: "More Christians have been martyred for their faith in the last century than in any other period of church history. Yesterday's Herod is today's Richard Dawkins and Polly Toynbee, seeking the total extermination of all forms of Christianity. The great irony is that the greatest opposition to Christ comes from so-called broad-minded people who seek to ban Christmas so that people of other faiths are not offended."

Yes, it is that time of year when secularists, atheists and humanists become the Grinches who stole Christmas. As an honorary associate of the National Secular Society and president of the British Humanist Association, here is my cue to offer you all a rattling good Christmas "Bah, humbug!" Except, of course, it's all utter nonsense. No one is out to ban Christmas or Christianity - not atheists nor other faiths. Yet every year the same urban myths are repeated about the banning of Christmas by some pantomime villain local authority suffering from "political correctness gone mad." King Rat Christmas wreckers are unearthed, and every year these turn out to be garbage stories, but they are stored in the attic for another airing next December.

I had at least five calls from broadcasters this year inviting me to say it would be a jolly good thing if Christmas were rebranded Winterval. That myth began years ago when Birmingham city council tried to spread the festive season across the long winter - though it never replaced Christmas, which came with official celebrations in the middle of it. But the Winterval myth lives on. This year it was joined by this: "God rest ye merry people all, Let nothing go to waste, So let us all this Decemberval, Recycle now with haste." Although written by a vicar for Warrington's Christmas recycling campaign, watch Decemberval enter anti-Christmas demonology. ..........(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.alternet.org/story/71320/




Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 08:18 AM
Response to Original message
1. It's actually the rantings of a facist propaganda machine trying to
keep the skids greased.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 08:21 AM
Response to Original message
2. As an atheist, I enjoy the pagan christian rituals
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 08:34 AM
Response to Original message
3. Sure it is, but it's also, as was posted upthread, a fascist propaganda machine.
Edited on Mon Dec-24-07 08:34 AM by TheGoldenRule
As a child of an Atheist & Agnostic, I consider myself an Agnostic and I feel like I've been at war figuratively with the religious Xian extremists my entire life. I can't tell you how many times they've tried to convert me to the Xian faith.

But knowing what I know about * Co, I'd say that the War on Xmas fits perfectly into their fascist propaganda machine.

Doesn't keep me from celebrating Santa Claus day though. :evilgrin:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 08:51 AM
Response to Original message
4. Liberals are people who belive that "Merry Christmas" should not be an
attack shouted at the top of your lungs ... they believe that there are more words that are important in the pledge, even when "UNDER GOD" is not shouted out ...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 08:56 AM
Response to Original message
5. The common and over use of the word "war" irritates the heck out of me
War is cruel and violent and nasty.

The media attaching "War on" to every damn topic is shameful.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 10:43 AM
Response to Reply #5
6. To be fair, the annual attacks on secularists is cruel and nasty
and not uncommonly violent.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-24-07 10:49 AM
Response to Original message
7. Exactly
Edited on Mon Dec-24-07 10:50 AM by fascisthunter
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sun May 05th 2024, 11:53 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC