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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:41 AM
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Washington Post: What Obama Got Wrong
What Obama Got Wrong
Friday, December 14, 2007; Page A14

WHAT HE GOT WRONG: "I don't want to wake up four years from now and discover that we still have more young black men in prison than in college."

-- Barack Obama, rally in Harlem, Nov. 29

Obama has repeated this false claim to predominantly African American audiences, even after The Washington Post pointed out the mistake to his campaign. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, 106,000 African American men ages 18 to 24 were in federal or state prisons at the end of 2005. An additional 87,000 were temporarily held in local jails in mid-2006. According to 2005 census data, 530,000 African American men in this age group were in college.

Black male college students outnumber black male prisoners even if the age group is expanded to 30 or 35. The Obama campaign has not responded to several requests for statistical data to support the senator's remarks, and it has not explained a similar claim that he made to an NAACP audience on July 12.

-- Michael Dobbs

Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

For daily truth-squadding, visit washingtonpost.com/factchecker. Read the Candidates Week series at washingtonpost.com/frontrunners. Kevin Merida will discuss his article today at 1 p.m.


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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:50 AM
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1. "... even if the age group is expanded to 30 or 35. "???
How about 40? 45? 50? This seems to be an instance where quibbling about the "facts" gets in the way of comprehending the "truth."

Does ANYONE sanely argue that our prison system is disproportionally used to incarcerate people of color? Does anyone sanely argue that this is the result of the use of racism as a tool for exacerbatng economic inequities?


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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:52 AM
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2. A Case Of Using Statistics, Apropos of Nothing
The absolute values don't matter here. The point is valid either way.

Quibbling over the absolute values is missing the forest because one is too busy counting the leaves on one tree.
The Professor
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 09:13 AM
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7. Agreed.
:thumbsup:
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:52 AM
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3. hillary does, if
she can spin another attack. then claim barack treats her unfairly.


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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 09:01 AM
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5. No.
What is being questioned is Obama's hyperbole. Which needs to be labeled as such.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 09:23 AM
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11. All Well And Good
But, hyperbole isn't inherently bad. If it is used to make a larger, and critical point, it can and should be excused as, well, hyperbole.
The Professor
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:59 AM
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4. Michael Dobbs was the WaPost 'reporter' who pushed the swiftlies as documented
research that deserved equal consideration to the documents in the official service record.

I would be wary of his use of statistics, even as I would advise the Obama campaign to check their numbers and choose their words accordingly.

I appreciate the dramatic point Obama is making, and it is one that many of us feel, but the corpmedia has no sense of fairness for dramatic points made by the left, though GOPs can get away with all sorts of lies and exaggerations when they do the same.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 09:02 AM
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6. Those numbers are nonsensical and don't include state prisons
State prisions, where the real numbers are.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 09:16 AM
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8. there are over 11000 inmates at the cook county jail
in chicago each day. 95% or so are inmates of "color".

i find fault with obama`s statement because he did`t include other people of "color" that are stuck in the same situation as the black men and women.
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 09:18 AM
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9. How can he be wrong
about voicing a concern about a possibility?
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 09:20 AM
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10. Gee, I wonder if he's exposing the lies of Rudy or Huck or Mitt. You know, lies about their own
actions and character.

Ohyeahsure they are.
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