Who Cares If Pelosi was Briefed on CIA Torture?

[spanone]

it doesn't matter one bit.

this is the ultimate smokescreen

the 'crimes' were still commited

was it Pelosi's fault? she was not speaker of the house at the time

this is a diversionary story....trying to make the democrats complicit-

even if they are it doesn't change the crime


imho

[Pale Blue Dot]

1. I care. nt

[ixion]

2. me, too. n/t

[Le Taz Hot]

3. I do!

Yes, it DOES matter. Pelosi has been complacent right down the line and she is now Speaker of the House and she could do something about it NOW. Write a resolution. Bring it up for a vote. Make the Pretzeldent and Republicans defend a torture vote.

YOU get waterboarded and tell me "it doesn't matter one bit."

[peacebird]

4. I care.

[5X]

5. I do, and I am unanimous in that. n/t

[bemildred]

6. Me. nt

[frogcycle]

7. it is equivalent

to all the admin protestations w/respect to Petraus: "Congress confirmed him! Now they are criticizing him! But they CONFIRMED him! That's supposed to be a blank check! Now they have to shut up! Waaaahhhh!"

What people were shown when is easy to distort. It is easy to say anyone fooled by the holes in Powell's presentation should be taken out and shot - now!

Who really believes that waterboarding was presented as what it really is? Who thinks the affect on the victim was spelled out in detail? They probably just said "we might pour water on their heads to make them uncomfortable." NOW they try to get mileage out of having supposedly "briefed" and gotten "approval." Yeah, right.

[spanone]

9. Pelosi being informed means nothing in reference to the tape destruction

she was briefed, according to the story, in 2002. the tapes were destroyed in 2005.

i care that she knew but that's an entire different story.

it plays NO part in the CIA destroying evidence.

[Toots]

22. Yes it does

If she had spoken up at the time and raised a ruckus over the torture and the tapes they would never have dared destroy them..She kept her silence and in doing so became complicit in the crimes..

[spanone]

23. i wish a senator could speak up and stop these crimes....the entire democratic party can't

[madokie]

8. It doesn't matter to me as it does not take away from the fact torture is un-American

or at least it used to be before chimpco came to be. I doubt seriously if Nancy would ever order anything that even resembles torture so its not an issue for me that she was briefed. what is important to me though is how some will want to use that to obfuscate the fact that torture is wrong under any circumstances.

[Buzz Clik]

10. Good post.

[Buzz Clik]

13. (moved)

[spanone]

11. i do care if she was briefed.....but it is irrelevent to the REAL story

[Lorien]

12. I care. And I care that she didn't object to it. n/t

[spanone]

15. how do we know she didn't object?

[Lorien]

19. From the Washinton Post:

"With one known exception, no formal objections were raised by the lawmakers briefed about the harsh methods during the two years in which waterboarding was employed, from 2002 to 2003, said Democrats and Republicans with direct knowledge of the matter. The lawmakers who held oversight roles during the period included Pelosi and Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.) and Sens. Bob Graham (D-Fla.) and John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), as well as Rep. Porter J. Goss (R-Fla.) and Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan)...."

[spanone]

21. 'one known exception'...who would that be? maybe pelosi, maybe not

truth is we don't know the truth.

[Buzz Clik]

14. This is merely another round of "well... we briefed Congress"

They are briefed as fyi; no input asked, none taken. The representatives are informed that the information is classified, and if they divulge it, they will suffer the legal consequences.

The brunt of these crimes still falls on the administration.

[madokie]

18. in a way its another example of the conspiracy that is bush/cheney

and their never ending efforts to rule the world. traitorous dictator wantabe's

[TreasonousBastard]

16. The people who care are either...

historians or those who are just looking for another way to bash Pelosi.

It's nice to complete the record, but what possible relevance does the briefing of Pelosi have?

[spanone]

17. IF she was briefed it was 2002....CIA destroyed tapes 2005 - Two different stories

[Captain Hilts]

20. People confuse being 'informed' with being 'consulted'. nt

[disndat]

24. Is it appropriate here to ask

Remember the Holocaust? Is this how it got started? Would it to trivializing the Nazi Holocaust to ask?

[pdxmom]

25. My concern isn't so much about whether she was briefed, but whether

she was the one who objected. If she has known and never objected, then IMO, she has condoned the torture by her silence.

[orleans]

26. i care. kick. n/t