"Christian Bashing:The Last Acceptable Bigotry. Group to Fight Back Against Anti-Christian Threats"

[Bluebear]

New Group to Fight Back Against Anti-Christian Threats

Contact: Kevin P. McVicker, Shirley & Banister Public Affairs, 703-739-5920, 800-536-5920, 703-727-9537 cell, [email protected]

FT. LAUDERDALE, Fla., Dec. 5 /Christian Newswire/ -- As Christians around the country are met with violence and marginalization, Dr. Gary Cass, has founded the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission (CADC) a new organization that aims to counter threats to millions of Christians' First Amendment rights. While the overwhelming majority of Americans are professed Christians, it has become routine for the media and elites to openly mock and trivialize Christians because they choose to express their faith.

In his new book Christian Bashing and the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission, Dr. Cass examines the threats, slurs and violence being perpetrated against Christians--and the apathetic reaction of American society. "When controversial statements are made against certain groups, there is a demand for an immediate apology. When anti-Christian sentiments flow from the media, there is never a response--until now," said Dr. Cass.

"When a group known as the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, a group of radical homosexual agitators, recently disrupted a Catholic mass in San Francisco, the reaction from the entire religious community was a big yawn. It is time for Christians to stand up and call bigotry by its rightful name and to fight back when defamed."


"It is clear that persecution has not ceased to exist in the modern era. Defamation, which leads to marginalization and persecution, is not an irrational fear for Christians," writes Dr. Cass.


According to Christian Bashing, some of the recent egregious examples of religious bigotry include:

* In Illinois, an employee of a national insurance company was fired for writing an op-ed in support of traditional marriage, even though he did it on his own time and on his own computer.

* Christopher Hitchens, on the day Jerry Falwell died, appeared on CNN and referred to Falwell as, "a little toad ... a horrible little person... an evil old man... a conscious charlatan and bully and fraud."

* Bill Maher, who regularly belittles Christians, began his HBO program on May 18 with a vicious, blasphemous attack on the Christian faith, making lurid remarks associating Holy Communion with homosexuality.

* An employee of an Idaho computer company was fired after displaying Bible verses in his cubicle--in response to a pro-homosexual flyer distributed by the company.

* Howard Stern on his nationally syndicated radio show said, "If I was president, I would have you (pro-lifers) gassed. I would march you into the ovens."

* Kathy Griffin, a self-identified militant atheist, was honored for her cable reality show. Upon receiving her reward she said, "A lot of people come up here and thank Jesus for this. He had nothing to do with this, ...suck it Jesus! This award is my god now!"

The Christian Anti-Defamation Commission is a non-profit organization devoted to protecting the rights of Christians to confidently live their faith. Dr. Gary Cass has degrees from Westminster Theological Seminary. He previously served as Executive Director of the Center for Reclaiming America for Christ, an outreach of Coral Ridge Ministries founded by the late Dr. D. James Kennedy.

To schedule an interview with Dr. Gary Cass, please contact Kevin McVicker with Shirley & Banister Public Affairs at [phone] or [phone].

http://www.earnedmedia.org/sb1205.htm

[JackBeck]

1. And yet they still have the Federal government protecting them

if things got truly out of hand.

But the LGBT community doesn't have any equal respect or protection.

[struggle4progress]

45. He's an anti-gay activist trying to deflect attention from his own bigotry

ABC News sanitized anti-gay bigotry

ABC News provided a dramatic example of the media's willingness to whitewash anti-gay bigotry. A November 28 "original report" on the ABC News website titled "Evangelicals to Bush: Payback Time" -- based on a segment that aired on the November 23 edition of ABC's World News Tonight -- asserted that Gary Cass, executive director of the Center for Reclaiming America, a grassroots Christian political organization affiliated with Coral Ridge Ministries, "wants a U.S. Supreme Court that will outlaw abortion and gay marriage." As apparent support for its assertion, ABC News offered a quote from Cass that reveals his real agenda, which is in fact far broader than ABC News's characterization: "Do you want to take your children to a National League baseball game for instance and have homosexuals showing affection to one another? I don't want my kids to see that." This quote also aired during the World News Tonight broadcast ...

http://mediamatters.org/items/200411300002?show=1

[ixion]

2. when the xians stop 'bashing' everyone who isn't xian

I'll stop 'bashing' them.

[madeline_con]

59. When donkeys fly! eom

[spoony]

66. Yeah because they all do that

Just keep telling yourself that so you don't have any inconvenient pangs of conscience whilst you're 'bashing' them.

[ixion]

87. don't worry, I don't

they've caused me nothing but grief over the years.

[Kajsa]

135. Of course we all do.

Don't you know broadbrushing makes bashing so much easier?

We" Xians" are all alike.

[Union Thug]

3. So many cry-baby xtians. So few lions. 'nuff said.

[hatrack]

4. Yes, it's so very tragic, the way they have to wear yellow crosses on their clothes

It's almost as bad as the way the federal government banned them from practicing law or medicine, or the way angry atheist mobs waving Darwin banners picketed and firebombed their businesses.

Boo-fucking-hoo.

[NMMNG]

5. Call the waaaahmbulance

Funny how they don't mind saying the most heinous things about other people (which they claim is legitimate and defensible as part of their "deeply held religious beliefs") yet whip out the persecution complex when anybody dare say anything about them. Bloody hypocrites. :puke:

[teacher gal]

22. Thank you

Your chart is hilarious. Thanks for the belly laugh.

[NMMNG]

63. It's come in handy many a time

And welcome to DU. :hi:

[varkam]

123. Consider your graphic stolen.

:rofl:

[alphafemale]

144. Why did I just have a Pac Man flashback?

:D

[T Wolf]

6. Simple fact - the majority CANNOT be discriminated against by society.

"bad" or bigoted non-criminal actions by individuals are not the responsibility of the government to censor.

[DemBones DemBones]

11. Women are a majority and we have always been discriminated against.

Rep. Shirley Chisholm, who ran as a Dem for president in 1968 after years in Congress said that she had faced more pbstacles as a woman than as a black.

[ShadowLiberal]

116. Majorities CAN be forced into second class status through discrimination, US Christians however...

Look at some African countries, like South Africa I think it was, 90% of the population was black people, but white people used to rule the place and suppress the blacks into second class status. Eventually the blacks managed to win undo that some years ago, but just because you're an overwhelming majority doesn't mean you can't be forced into second class status by society.

US Christians however are certainly not being suppressed at all, especially compared to south African black people. The religious right is a perfect example of why they aren't being suppressed but are in fact doing some of the suppressing themselves. While I will admit some of the 'evidence' in the article is stuff that shouldn't have happened if it's true (like the examples of guys getting fired), other evidence they provide like 'they called Jerry Falwell a bigot!' is basically just saying "they attacked us because they don't agree with our point of view! That's oppression of the majority!". That's like saying Martin Luther King Jr. was suppressing white people majority by campaigning for equal rights for African Americans, it's an absurd claim.

[DemBones DemBones]

7. Already this thread has degenerated into a hatefest against Christians.

As usual.

[mitchtv]

10. It's called Karma

that reaping/sowing thing

[madrchsod]

21. so what else is new?

and dennis still does`t get any respect..another night at the opera

[Richard Steele]

24. So call a WHAAAAmbulance. As usual.

nm

[Bluebear]

122. Holy moly...

I can only imagine who "ignored" is.

[Blashyrkh]

42. Suck it up.

Some people die for their beliefs, but you complain because some strangers on the internet make fun of you.

Why should anyone be tolerant of one of the least tolerant groups on the planet?

[NMMNG]

44. Not hate against Christians

Just frustration with the asinine BS some of them perpetrate against others.

[spoony]

67. "I hate those Christians who think people hate them! What paranoid whiners!"

:P

[sendero]

137. We only hate the ..

... persecution complex Chrstians
the hate everyone not like them Christians
the hypocrite Christians
the tell everyone else what morals are while being immoral Christians
etcc.

I can't help it if that covers a very large percentage of them.

[Raksha]

124. Well, ain't that too damn bad! If this is a hatefest against anyone,

it's a hatefest against fundies, not Christians. You remind me of the obnoxious RWW asshole on another board I frequent who only identifies as a Christian when he thinks some "lib" is persecuting "Christians." It always turns out that what he really means by "persecution" is when Christians (i.e. fundies) are prevented from getting in the faces of others who don't share their beliefs as often as they would like to.

We have a Religion & Spirituality board on that forum, but this idiot NEVER posts there, only on the News board (the political forum) where he can whine to his heart's content about how much the "godless libs" are persecuting him. If HE doesn't care about his religious beliefs, why the hell should *I* care?

[Scout]

125. since you seem to be so damn offended around here all the time....

why do you stay?

:eyes:

[iamthebandfanman]

128. hatefilled ? haha, hardly. n/t

[racaulk]

141. .

[Megahurtz]

147. ROFL !

:rofl:

[progdonkey]

8. two comedians, a shock jock, and a neocon columnist...

Wow, those poor Christians really are oppressed, aren't they?

The first guy's op ed probably went like this: "I hate seeing all them queers walking by, engaging in their faggotry; if I see another one a them, I'm gonna kill 'em," which is then reported by these people as "support(ing) traditional marriage."

One day, God willing, maybe Christians might be able to get some equality in this country--perhaps even get elected to the office of President instead of all those Jews, Muslims, and atheists we've been stuck with!

[msongs]

9. don't accept any blankets from Christian newswire or any of its associates nt

[teacher gal]

12. Politicization of Faith

I am a Christian who believes it is no accident that an
administration that exploited faith and so-called family
values to gain political power turns out to be perhaps the
most corrupt administration in our history. 

And I see that the more faith is polliticized, the more
hateful and divisive become the actions and words of some who
purport to love Christ. How sadly ironic that they actually
discredit him.

[mitchtv]

15. Dear Jesus,

Protect us from your folowers
Amen
Oh and Welcome to DU teacher gal
what a perfect comment
I hope you don't mind, I wmailed it to my freeper sister

[teacher gal]

25. hi

Freeper sister? I'm guessing but clue me in. Thanks!

[mitchtv]

41. allright no DU slang

my sister is a conservative
freeper= FreeRepublic our cyber archenemy

[madeline_con]

60. Why those trogs get so much credit is beyond me.

They don't have enough brain power between them to pose a threat. Unless DUers just enjoy knowing there are that many ignorami congregating in one spot. :shrug:

[madrchsod]

23. wow- you are actually doing something about the

leave every child behind act...tip of the hat to you and the organization...

[teacher gal]

28. Thank You!

Can't tell you how much your comment means to me. Honestly. 

[madrchsod]

38. i have a friend who`s been a "victim" of that stupid what ever it is

the school system she works for dumped all the "dumb kids" from 4 other schools into her`s. they receive no extra money or help and of course she spends well over a thousand out of here own pocket to keep the music dept up to a reasonable standard. my daughter was another shining example of this crap- she gave up high school because she could`t pass math or science....yet she`s very smart in so many other ways.

[teacher gal]

49. NCLB

accomplishes the opposite of its stated intent. It is based on
many false assumptions, one of them being that narrow
standardized tests actually provide a fair and just measure of
what children really know and are able to do. It places
unwarranted credence in the power of standardized tests to
fairly judge the quality of teaching, learning, and schools. I
am very sorry about your daughter. Human gifts and talents and
"ways of being smart" are wonderfully diverse but
NCLB does not honor differences among children/students. All
are to achieve exactly the same thing in exactly the same
amount of time. Or else.

I just posted my first journal...ha...I am just learning how
to use this site. It's a piece of satire titled "Eli's
a-comin' if you want to check it out. We are trying to bring
attention to the issue of education, a very difficult thing to
do it seems. I fear many do not realize what the destruction
of public education will mean to the future of democracy in
this nation.

[madeline_con]

61. "All are to achieve exactly the same thing in exactly

the same amount of time."
Do you mean the same number of years? Some students have accommodations and can take more time to do the FCAT, while others can have the questions read to them. But you probably already knew that.

The shame is the child who opens the FCAT Science test and has never been exposed to any of the content, but has been languishing in the "dumb books" all year, being taught nothing.

I'll check out your blog. I'm about a year away from having my B.S. in ExEd/Elementary Ed. The more I discover about the educational system, the less suited for it I feel I might be.

It seems to be based in everything EXCEPT reality!

[Richard Steele]

26. Hi, teacher gal!

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[teacher gal]

30. Hello!

Thanks for the welcome!

[hootinholler]

29. Welcome to DU.

:hi:

-Hoot

[teacher gal]

34. Hey Hoot

Thanks for the welcome!

[baby_mouse]

52. Thank you.

Spoken like a true Christian. You remind me of the very lovely REAL Christians I used to hang out with when I was young...

[uppityperson]

57. Fundamentalists of all types are the problem, as I see it.

They are the ones who politicize their religion and shove their narrow beliefs on others.

[eagler]

109. Absolutely agree

[blondeatlast]

127. Welcome to DU! There's a lot of us who feel as you do here.

I'm a secular Christian and couldn't agree more with you.

[porphyrian]

13. Aw, poow widdwe Cwistians...

...it's so tough to maintain the delusion of superiority when people start treating you like everyone else...

[WhollyHeretic]

14. Why are you linking to a bigoted right wing site?

[Bluebear]

16. For entertainment value, problem?

[mitchum]

17. Give me that ole time religion...bring on the lions!

Odd that a belief system centered around a martyr would contain so many whiny crybabies
But, then again, many ironies escape them

[Trillo]

18. When "Dr. C-ass" gets as serious about bashing corporate "marriages",

otherwise known as "mergers", as Christians were about bashing homosexuals over the last several hundred years, or burning "witches", then I'll take the author seriously.

[madrchsod]

19. these people make christ look bad

real christians do not worry about such things.

[sniffa]

20. poor oppressed majorities

:eyes:

i blame teh gays for this.

[mitchtv]

43. why thank you

I couldn't have done it alone, and to my fans....:loveya: :loveya: :grouphug:

[spoony]

68. Not about oppression, it's about bigotry.

For brights, anti-theists sure do have difficulty in understanding the meaning of terms.

[Behind the Aegis]

69. You are correct, partly.

It is about bigotry, not just oppression. Where are Christians in this country forbidden to marry because of their "lifestyle?" Where are Christians denied jobs because of their religion? Where are Christians denied the opportunity to express themselves in public?

There are incidents of bigotry against Christians, but to pretend, and it is pretending, they are the victims of mass (or even a little) institutionalized, societal, or individual bigotry is ludicrous! As I said elsewhere on this post, MOST anti-Christian BIGOTRY comes from OTHER Christians! Perhaps they should be looking for the call coming from inside the house.

[spoony]

75. In-house matters are not on the same page

When people from outside a community slam that entire community, it is rightly called bigotry. When it is within a community, it has a different ring to it and usually a very different motivation. I disagree with calling such squabbles "anti-Christian bigotry" as much as I'd disagree with calling Bill Cosby a racist for his oft too harsh (imo) treatment of AA issues.

And there is, in fact, a good deal of bigotry out there. There are plenty of places and environs where revealing that one truly believes a man was God and rose from death brings automatic labels of "stupid" and "zealot." I'm thinking academic circles. Scientific circles. Classrooms. And particularly online, where people don't have to pretend they tolerate such beliefs just because of the number of people who hold them.

Yeah, I know, bring on the sarcastic "poor Christian" and "whaambulance" and all the rest. It exists, and it doesn't cease to exist just because DUers don't give a damn about the people affected by this specific prejudice.

[Behind the Aegis]

80. Perhaps you don't understand the nature of bigotry.

Even if "slams" come from within a community, it can certainly be bigotry. I have two words for you...gay-bashing. Do not confuse "in-group solidarity" issues with legitimate bigotry.

"And there is, in fact, a good deal of bigotry out there. There are plenty of places and environs where revealing that one truly believes a man was God and rose from death brings automatic labels of "stupid" and "zealot." I'm thinking academic circles. Scientific circles. Classrooms. And particularly online, where people don't have to pretend they tolerate such beliefs just because of the number of people who hold them."

Thinking, even calling someone stupid, because of a belief is not bigotry. Bigotry is when the "non-believer" acts in a way that denies the "believer" rights or credence. If I think all Christians are idiots because they are Christian, that is bigotry. However, if I think it is stupid to believe that G-d was ever a man and rose from the dead, it doesn't preclude that I am bigoted against Christians, unless my actions/words dictate such.

In this country, and much of the world, Christians are not the victims of bigotry to the level that others groups are, and usually at the hands of Christians. However, bigotry against people because they are Christian is and should be just as unacceptable as discrimination against someone because they wear glasses.

[Chovexani]

82. You know what

Maybe it's because there's a certain subset of professional martyr Christians who act so butthurt any time someone so much as criticizes their belief system or tells them no, they can't shove their narrow minded interpretation of a 2,000 year old set of man-made tribal laws down everyone else's throat.

Maybe it's because there's a certain subset of Christians who equate being made fun of on the internet and by D list comedians with being denied the right to marry (queer people), being lynched (black people), or being denied the right to have the symbol of your faith on your tombstone after you've died in service to your country (Wiccans). Those people would not last a day in my shoes. Shit they wouldn't last a day in the shoes of a Christian in the Sudan, or China, or any of the other places in the world where Christians are actually persecuted. American Christians don't know the meaning of the word persecution. Here's a hint: it's not being told to stop acting like Christmas is the only holy day anyone celebrates in December or teach your various religious beliefs as proven scientific fact in a classroom to a captive audience.

I'm not defending the wankier atheists. Fundie atheists are just as obnoxious as fundie Christians but I've never had a fundie atheist deny me civil rights because of my religion, color or sexual orientation--or at all. So color me just a little unsympathetic when they start crying about the big meanies who call them names.

[hfojvt]

98. maybe it's because there's a huge double standard on the internets

being made fun of on the internets is not a hugh deal. But then just try it with any other group on DU and see how fast you get your post deleted. Can Christians make jokes like "so many homosexuals, so few lions"? That would rightly be called severe homophobia and not the slightest bit funny. And yet, it remains acceptable on DU to make that 'joke' with the word 'Christian' substituted for 'homosexual'.

Looking at it from the outside, it seems that there sure are alot of progressives who are Christophobes. What would a good Catholic like Dennis Kucinich think about that? What am I supposed to think when I am part of a group or try to join a group which is battling an evil administration and trying to build a better world, and yet the group keeps proposing, to many huzzahs, 'first thing we do, is kill all the Christians (or push them in the closet)'?

I naturally think a couple of things. First "I am not really welcome here, am I?" and second, "these people sure are hypocrites when they get all outraged about other people's bigotry."

[spoony]

101. Yeah but there are lots of Christians so hating them is okay.

Hating people is only not okay when there aren't that many of them.

I think I stopped feeling welcome here after the first week, and that's perhaps generous. It's sad but I view many fellow Dems as hostile allies. Coworkers perhaps, not friends or compatriots.

[NMMNG]

113. I'm not defending bad behavior by any means

But you're just getting a taste of the crap we all have to put up with IRL every day. It's not pretty, is it?

[Smith_3]

74. People who deny evolution should not have a say in anything.

Period.

[spoony]

78. Which other types of believers will you strip of a "say" in anything?

Not that you have any power to do so, but what would you do? Deny them the right to vote? Shut down their websites? Their churches? What about the kooks who think there wasn't a moon landing? Or the ones who think Jefferson didn't really rape and torture his slaves? What other silly notion disqualifies a person from a "say"?

[Smith_3]

81. :-) Any one of the above, as soon as they become a serious influential party in politics.

Which of course then I again wouldn't have the means to do so ;-)

[eagler]

96. Neither should people who deny a person's right to question

prevailing opinions - no matter how out of tune.

[Smith_3]

97. Ok. I admit my remark was born from frustration...

But still, would you feel fine if you were governed by a group of people who were absolutely convinced that the sky is orange and apples fall upward? Would you trust them with decisions that possibly effect your survival?

[eagler]

105. No I would not.

[alarimer]

27. What violence against Christians?

I haven't heard of any. The only church bombings in this country were done by so-called Christians against black churches. See also abortion clinic bombings and killing of doctors. Done by alleged Christians.

[mitchtv]

46. In Iraq

by the people the Chimp put in power

[KG]

31. what a fucking joke. white 'christian' males run this country, and most of the world.

[hootinholler]

32. This photo is so handy

[madrchsod]

35. jesus on a trailer -now that`s a true christian!

[madrchsod]

33. i did`t notice this gem....

"non-profit organization devoted to-->protecting the rights of Christians to confidently live their faith"<--

they have so little faith in christ that he will be reward them for belief in him that they rely on others for their salvation...

[MrScorpio]

36. He's equating free speech rights on one hand with employment discrimanation on the other

Not cool

[dysfunctional press]

37. i thought that bashing fat people was the last acceptable bigotry...???

i'm guessing that fat christians don't stand a chance, then.

[Dukkha]

39. yeah they're SOOOOO oppressed

maybe they should get off the cross once in a while and do something productive for a change :eyes:

[spag68]

40. I'm confused

Who was shooting doctors, who blew up the Ok. City building, The Atlanta olympics, and so many I can't remember? Were all these things done by the libs. or gays, or atheists? I thought it was the other way around.

[Sultana]

47. I don't know about whole "threat" argument

Fundies are at it again.:eyes:

But why do so many in DU find it acceptable to group up Christians as fundies?

I don't want to be put in the same category w/ those crazies.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

48. There is an assault on Christianity in this country...

It's coming from the right-wing extremists who have been attempting to hijack the name "Christianity" and apply it to their political agenda.

[blondeatlast]

129. Amen and hallelujah! Preach it, my sister. nt

[Behind the Aegis]

50. Ironically, I see more Christian "bashing" from fellow Christians, as opposed to other groups.

[Bluebear]

51. Get a load of this warm little "Christian on Christian" site:

http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/cath.htm

What a disgrace.

[Arugula Latte]

53. Oh, my heart breaks for poor, marginalized, silenced Christians.

They NEVER get their say in this society ... When, WHEN will the poor U.S. Christians finally get their day in the sun? :cry:

[Richard Steele]

77. We can only hope our grandchildren see the day when an enlightened USA elects a Christian President.

[Arugula Latte]

106. Sadly, I doubt that will ever happen.

We all know the atheists, Buddhists and Zoroastrians hold the reins of power in this country. :(

[walldude]

54. Right.. so the people who claim that America is a

Christian nation, founded by Christians and tell us that "85% of Americans identify themselves as Christian" think they are being discriminated against.. :nopity: that about cover it?

[Manifestor_of_Light]

55. They never read the Treaty of Tripoli.

Which said that "The United States is Not a Christian Nation". Period.
Ratified in the 1790s and still in effect, like all treaties.

[Swamp Rat]

56. LOL!

:rofl:

[madeline_con]

58. Christopher Hitchens finally says something I can agree with!

Persecution? Who do these self-righteous hateful, meddling government overthrowing wannabes think they're kidding?

"Reclaiming America for Christ"? They just do not see it, do they?

[NMMNG]

62. "Reclaiming America for Christ"

Christ never owned America. Somehow the whackjobs just can't get that through their heads.

[rAVES]

71. The book of Mormandy (or whatever) says he lived in like denver or some crap.

:rofl:

[NMMNG]

72. Maybe he did

But he still never owned Amurka. :-)

[blondeatlast]

131. Nor do I think He'd care to. nt

[Manifestor_of_Light]

142. HItchens also wrote an expose on Mother Teresa.

By interviewing her former bookkeeper. Mother Teresa would not spend her millions on drugs and medical care for all the suffering people. They just laid there and suffered and waited to die. She told them it would bring them closer to god.

Other than those two things, Hitchens tends to be a jerk.

[and-justice-for-all]

64. What a load of shit that is...

"Dr. Gary Cass has degrees from Westminster Theological Seminary".. Woohoo, I would love to see Dawkins and Dennett put "Dr" Cass right on the chopping block.

That Xtian/religious ideology is weak and bunk garbage, it will not carry on untouched from criticism and blantant disapproval. The kids gloves era for religion is over.

[LittleClarkie]

65. They're going to fight against people using their first amendment right to an opinion?

Good luck with that guys.

And Jerry Falwell WAS a little toad. So there.

And thus spaketh the gospel according to Erica of the ELCA. Liberal Christians... ooh scary.

[rAVES]

70. Boohoo.. I'm all choked up for them.

[Smith_3]

73. By definition, people with power cannot be subject to discrimination/bigotry.

Christian have a large influence in politics in this country and they use this influence to promote anti-sience and intolerance. They deserve "bashing".

[Behind the Aegis]

76. Untrue.

People with power can be subject to discrimination and, most certainly, to bigotry.

[NorthernSpy]

84. only if things change and they lose their power...

... can the powerful be subjected to any kind of discrimination that matters.


Of course, anyone can be hated and resented. I agree with you there.

[LittleClarkie]

83. What's sad is they mean only their brand of Christian

That's why the mainstream is apathetic. We know the Fundamentalists look down their nose at us too, hence in some ways we agree with the negative commentary. For instance, Jerry Falwell WAS a little toad.

So there. :P

[Chovexani]

79. What a bunch of whiny dumbasses

Everyone knows the actual last group it's acceptable to be bigoted against is furries.

...you know, fuck it, from now on every time a Christian starts whining about persecution when someone makes fun of them, I'm just going to call it fursecution. Furries are only slightly less butthurt when people make fun of them.

[michaz]

85. Hold It!! I am a secretary for a Catholic Parish. Would you like...

to hear about some of the good things that our parish does? We get calls and people at our door constantly in need of money, food or a place to stay. We check out the situation and give these people help. We take up collections for people in need. We give huge food baskets for people at Thanksgiving and Christmas. We give money to people for Dr's appointments. These "Christians" are not all bad. Give this crap a break!

[goodgd_yall]

100. You are familiar with, I'm sure, "if the shoe fits"

But at the same time, many churches do good in the ways you describe and STILL are a conduit for hatred toward groups that don't share the same beliefs or values.

[michaz]

110. And many aren't!!

[goodgd_yall]

140. Yes, many aren't

I don't have a grudge against religion and churches if they really are following the tenets of their religion.

[gatorboy]

111. You're on the DU.

Know your place!

[NMMNG]

114. Nobody is saying no Christians do any good

We're just saying the claims of Christian persecution (particularly rampant persecution and violence towards Christians) in America are false.

[Bluebear]

119. I'm sure your parish does some nice things. But are you persecuted?

That is the crux of this "crap".

[KingOfLostSouls]

86. Speaking of Christian bashing

I asked santa for "lions" at the top of my Christmas

hows that for irony? nyuk nyuk

[spoony]

95. Sorry, this thread reached its quota of lion jokes already

Please try again in the next thread. You shouldn't have to wait long.

[Ganja Ninja]

88. "Christians around the country are met with violence" ???

Maybe if they were gay christians or black christians but other than a few random acts of vandalism (that have little to do with christianity and more to do with the mental state of the perps) I haven't heard of any wave of anti-christian violence.

[FVZA_Colonel]

107. Any time fundie rallies even have people get yelled at counts as "Anti-Christian violence"

to these people.

[NoFederales]

89. The clarity of who is bashing whom is best seen from the extremists

of both sides--vile and intense. But which side is actually more intrusive? Which side actually has a mission to 'change' people's viewpoints/beliefs? Which side has multiple organizations throughout cities of EVERY size in the Nation? Which side invokes victimization/persecution at every cross-eyed sniffle-whiffing dissent? Which side actively rakes in the wealth and riches of its adherents as well as receiving tax protections from the PUBLIC Government? The God Business is lucrative beyond compare and any criticisms will be dealt with harshly.

For the real believers? You are allowed your faith, but you really can't share the power, the wealth, or the benefits thereof. Like soldiers in the military, your duties are to do and die for the protection of God, for the sanctity of the dogma being espoused.

I would not write these thoughts except for the hypocrisy and the intrusion that reaches into my household daily. The War on God makes as much sense as the War on Terror--war on concepts?--but here we are anyway at life and death odds.

So much for tolerance, eh?

NoFederales

[HuffleClaw]

90. bullies love playing the victim i guess

sad.

[PVnRT]

91. So

Having to listen to other points of view and being prevented from forcing your beliefs on everyone else is now "anti-Christian." These people have gone over the edge. I used to try to defend people who believed, but I just can't anymore.

Their "evidence" of "persecution" is a joke. If you don't like free speech and freedom of religion, get the fuck out of this country.

[Caretha]

92. Falwell created a vacuum

when he kicked the bucket, and this little twerp is just trying to fill it.

[Bluebear]

94. Well, Falwell's is a big hole to fill.

And I mean a BIG hole.

[DutchLiberal]

93. Christians complaining about 'bashing'? Are you fucking kidding me???

Are these the very same people who bash homosexuals because they are 'sinners'?; who discriminate and oppress women because 'God put man in charge'?; who blame terrorist attacks and disasters on the 'secular progressives'?; who want to deprive women of human rights like abortion?; who constantly want to forbid media outlets they consider blasphemous, like 'The Da Vinci Code' etc.?; who reject the separation of church and state because they want to force me to their way of life???

They are in full control of every aspect in the US! They have full control of the media, of the government, of Congress. The US is the most fanatic religious country in the developed world. What more do these whiners want? Are they not contend with world domination?

[goodgd_yall]

99. Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence

They've been on the christian right wing hit list apparently, thanks to Fox News. Another report yesterday about the Folsom Street Fair and the Sisters were brought up once again. They've been in existence for decades, but because of the legitimacy given to right-wing Christians via right-wing "news" media, they've been "discovered" and made out to be an example of that right-wing bogeyman "secularism."

[GreenPartyVoter]

102. If it comes from Xian newswire, you know it's gonna make you

:puke:

[uppityperson]

103. Bigotry is bigotry. Fundamentalism is fundamentalism. eom

[SidDithers]

104. Christian Persecution...

An injection of reality into this whining.
Inspired by a post from BMUS, but some of her links have gone dead. I've re-addressed the pics.


Persecution:


Persecution:


Persecution:



NOT Persecution:


NOT Persecution:


NOT Persecution:



Sid

[blondeatlast]

126. Amen.

And I promise to remember to steal your sig line when I get tired of mine. :evilgrin:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

108. It's funny how all these "all seeing, all knowing, all powerful" Gods need protection.

I guess they're too broke to hire some guys named "Truck", "Bull", or "Dawg", to hold their hands and ward off the evil ones.

[upi402]

112. Poor Xtians? Damn Constitution forbids a theocracy. Can't discriminate against gays.

And they insist we deny evolution saying it's an invalid 'theory'. Yeah, Poor poor Xtians- should investigate the 'theory' of gravity as they drop the bible and pick up a reality-based book or two. Perpetual victims, Xtians, never mind history -the crusades, inquisition, South American gold conquest, USA today.

Ugh, I'm so spent on this crap, sorry. I know some real Christians but most are not at all.
And my life is diminished from their voracious zealotry.

:nopity:

[Dukkha]

115. Congress drops hate crime bill covering attacks on gays

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/06/congress.hatecrimes.ap/index.html

yup, only those poor xians are persecuted.

[AnnieBW]

117. Yeah, right.

Are Christians losing custody of their kids because of their religion?

And since when did anyone give a f*ck what Howard Stern says?

[Catch22Dem]

118. Uh, you choose to be an xtian. You don't choose to be black

Don't marginalize ACTUAL bigotry with this tripe.

[pegleg]

145. no offense but that's the most convoluted reasoning I've ever heard

People choose to be democrats and republicans and atheists and sanitation engineers and teachers - but that doesn't mean that they deserve any less consideration. People choose to be bigoted, and I think we are all bigoted to some extent. That certainly doesn't excuse the behavior of some "christian" groups however. Some very much deserve to be called out for their actions.

[varkam]

120. I had a feeling that this was going to be from the Christian Newswire.

Not exactly the most trusted name in news, but nevermind. I read the OP, keeping in mind that Christians represent the vast majority of individuals in the United States.

* In Illinois, an employee of a national insurance company was fired for writing an op-ed in support of traditional marriage, even though he did it on his own time and on his own computer.

Doubt it.

* Christopher Hitchens, on the day Jerry Falwell died, appeared on CNN and referred to Falwell as, "a little toad ... a horrible little person... an evil old man... a conscious charlatan and bully and fraud."

Falwell has said worse himself. Much worse.

* Bill Maher, who regularly belittles Christians, began his HBO program on May 18 with a vicious, blasphemous attack on the Christian faith, making lurid remarks associating Holy Communion with homosexuality.

Oh noes! Bill Maher said mean things on his own show? What is the world coming to?

* An employee of an Idaho computer company was fired after displaying Bible verses in his cubicle--in response to a pro-homosexual flyer distributed by the company.

Doubt it.

* Howard Stern on his nationally syndicated radio show said, "If I was president, I would have you (pro-lifers) gassed. I would march you into the ovens."

I'm sure that's not taken out of context or anything.

* Kathy Griffin, a self-identified militant atheist, was honored for her cable reality show. Upon receiving her reward she said, "A lot of people come up here and thank Jesus for this. He had nothing to do with this, ...suck it Jesus! This award is my god now!"


Oh noes! Another comedian saying offensive things about Christianity!

That list has got to be about the most mind-numbingly stupid collection of petty grievances that I have read in quite some time. When comedians become your public enemy number one, perhaps you should lighten up.

[amb123]

121. The Christian Right has no faith in God at all

If they believe they need the Government to "save" them from "persecution".

And how dare they scream "persecution" when Mitt Romney just persecuted atheists, agnostics, pagans and people of faith who believe in Church/State separation in one speech!

[iamthebandfanman]

130. lol, funniest thing ive read in a short while...thanks

yeah, us poor christians... so hated... lol ... paaaaaaleeeeeease

[dmallind]

132. It's true!

- 83% of the country is atheistic, and atheists control every level of government with insurmountable majorities.
- 73% of the population distrusts Christians with no knowledge of them as people, and half of them would refuse to vote for any Christian even if they agreed on the issues!
- Despite being underrepresented by a 10 to 1 ratio in prison populations, it is commonly stated without demur that Christians cannot be moral or good people.
- Almost every newspaper in the nation has a "atheism and values" section that takes the connection between the two as axiomatic. Maybe once a year there will be a patronizing article about Christians and how they're almost normal people after all - who would have thunk it?
- You can flip past 10 or more atheist proselytizing TV channels 24 hours a day, but the lone Christian program has to pay full rate for a public access slot at 3AM in the morning if you're lucky.
- A president-elect once stated that Christians could not be considered patriots or citizens. It didn't get any media criticism.
- The very language is biased against Christians. It's common to hear "That's the Ingersoll truth!" or "thanks - that's mighty atheist of you" in conversation.
- Despite being far more numerous than Jews or Muslims, there is absolutely no interest in inviting Christian participants onto mainstream TV shows when religious legislation is the topic of discussion, or to discuss anti-Christian bigotry. Atheists on the other hand are invited as expert witnesses on all topics even those not connected with the question of faith or lack thereof.
- Christians have to put up with atheist-themed songs in every shopping or workplace one month out of the year, to celebrate a holiday that predated atheism by millennia.
- Atheists get all their special days off work as a given - Darwin Day, Ingersoll's birthday, winter solstice, vernal equinox, etc. Christians who point this out are called killjoys who don't understand (stolen) tradition.
- Atheist tradition drives what day and time people can order a beer, buy a car or conduct business of many varieties.
- Atheists on schoolboards force patronizing stickers on the Bible saying it is the subject of controversy, and insist on removing Christian allegories like The Chronicles of Narnia from school libraries.
- Atheists have decided that Christians who happen to have been born left handed can't get married because it's their special word and nobody else can use it. A very grudging minority of politically active atheists have "kindly" and condescendingly suggested that Christian lefties could maybe get "civil unions" in some very liberal states if they are good and stop complaining.
- A popular governor once called atheism a crutch for the weak minded and lost half his popularity overnight.
- On going into court even as a witness, let alone a defendant,you are expected to put your hand on a Bertrand Russell text and swear on the absence of any deity. OF COURSE you will be treated perfectly equally by the guy in the black robe who has the poster of Dawkins on his desk if you insist on taking a Christian oath instead. Sure.
- Presidential candidates of all parties compete for hours on how atheist they are and how much they know about Sam Harris books. One of the long shots may occasionally include "oh and Christians too" in these discussions and that should be enough for you - they'll not let their proudly proclaimed atheism guide their actions as president - of course not!
- Atheist meeting halls abound in every village and town. There are hundreds of them in major cities. Occasionally you may be able to find one or two Christian churches in liberal urban places but they'll always be vandalized and most Christians have to meet in rented rooms in libraries.
- It's perfectly logically congruent to say that you personally respect Christians and have nothing against them as people, and yet fervently believe that a perfect being would burn them forever because they are Christians. If a Christian points this cognitive dissonance out, he must be a fundamentalist wanker Christian who doesn't understand the "context" of being burned forever for having a different opinion by someone who loves you and has the power to do as they wish.

[AuntPatsy]

134. Your kidding right?

[dmallind]

136. ermmm...yes.

That's kind of the point I think.

[AuntPatsy]

138. Whew, thank you Lord.....

:dilemma:

[dmallind]

139. The trick is...

...to replace a certain "a" word with a certain "c" word, and vice versa and read it again.....

[AuntPatsy]

133. THIS is such BULLSHIT, if anyone is oppressed and or ridiculed it is anyone

who does not believe in christianity, one would think that the salem witch trials would be enough evidence that church and state should never MIX and yet to this day the church constantly attempts to push itself further and further into the very center of politics and law making...


Now it is garbage like this which makes me enraged enough to begin yelling about the follies of being too involved in ones religion to the extent where one can no longer think for themselves and listen only to their appointed leaders to tell them right from wrong..

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

143. Weak examples.

Free speech vs. Bigotry.

Please.

[Megahurtz]

146. Howard Stern...

>>>"Howard Stern on his nationally syndicated radio show said, "If I was president, I would have you (pro-lifers) gassed. I would march you into the ovens."<<<

LOL!

Gotta love it!

[blondeatlast]

148. Well thank GOD! We've obviously resolved the immigration issue,

gays and women have complete civil rights, brown people have no limits to opportunity, Muslims and Jews can worship without fear, because according to these wackballs, now we can freely hate my fellow Christians!

I try to be Christian regarding my Christian brethren, but sometimes I wish I could smite them myself. :mad: