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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:15 AM
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About Sean Taylor's murder - does not the whole thing smell fishy?
Perhaps I've been watching too many "Forensic Files" episodes, but since when do intruders kick down bedroom doors and start blasting?

I think Taylor was the target all along.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:16 AM
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1. I saw on ESPN that in an earlier break-in, a knife was left on his pillow. nt.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:20 AM
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2. even thoughhe had turned his life around,
it's entirely possible someone held a grudge from his days when he thought he was a thug.

i'm just surprised that as a millionaire and public figure, his home security seemed slack or non-existant.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:22 AM
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4. that bothers me too
i'm just surprised that as a millionaire and public figure, his home security seemed slack or non-existant

:hi: handsome

:)
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:38 AM
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10. I found this odd, too--his alarm system hadn't been activated and his phone line wasn't
"immediately" working?

From the LA Times:

Taylor's home was secured by a remotely operated metal gate, but police said the home's alarm system hadn't been activated when the intrusion occurred early Monday.

The home's telephone land line had been cut or was malfunctioning, as Garcia told police she couldn't get a dial tone and lost precious minutes in summoning paramedics because she had to search for her cellphone.


http://www.latimes.com/sports/printedition/la-sp-taylor...

Of all the times for an invasion to happen--while the alram was off and the land line wasn't working? Hmm...
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:35 AM
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20. Exactly
He may have turned his life around, but the past may have come back to haunt him. When I mentioned I wasn't surprised about the attack, some got upset with me. Michael Irvin has supposedly turned his life around, and from what I have seen, he's doing well. But if something like this happened to Michael, I wouldn't be surprised, either. Sometimes those skeletons in the closet come back to bite you.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:20 AM
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3. How long, do you know, was it between the time he was shot and
Taylor getting attention? It sounds a bit fishy to me, too.
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Egalitariat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:24 AM
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5. If he was shot in his femoral artery and lived for a whole day, he probably
got attention pretty quickly.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:32 AM
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9. He didn't get rapid attention.
Its being reported, here in Miami, on local news, that the phones were not working in the house, BUT that the phone lines were not cut, as had been previously reported. The delay in the 911 call was caused by this and the delay in finding a cell phone and getting it turned on, plus, unlike hard line phones, cell phone don't transmit addresses to the 911 system. Apparently there was much hysteria and getting the nature of the emergency and the address to the 911 operator was difficult.

Who knows. The story has changed a few times now.



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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:26 AM
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6. an open femoral artery will bleed you out in minutes.
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UnyieldingHierophant Donating Member (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:40 PM
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27. No doubt, it was reported he was airlifted and arrived at the trama
center in 20 mins, but the EMTs got to the home minutes after the call
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:47 AM
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12. i read the timeline in the washington post 9 minutes i believe. n/t
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:27 AM
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7. What kind of burglar comes back over and over again ...
really doesn't take anything but leaves a threat in the form of a knife on the bed and on the last visit kicks in the bedroom door and shoots the homeowner? Answer: No burglar at all.

Who aims for the groin when they're shooting someone? Answer: Jealous lovers or someone working for a jealous lover.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:45 AM
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11. You know, I thought the same thing when I read yesterday
that he was shot in the groin area.

Whatever the circumstances, where ever it happens, it's still very sad when someone so young and with such a promising future is taken away from us.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:30 AM
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8. yes
2 "accidental attacks?" within 2 days?

not bloody likely. If I were a cop my spider sense would be ringing off the hook.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:03 AM
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13. Agreed, not a random crime at all..
sounds like somebody had a beef, and somebody who knew how to get in and cut the phone and security wires.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:05 AM
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14. It sounded like a hit to me too
His girlfriend and son weren't harmed correct?
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:32 AM
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19. daughter, technically
and no.

I think it was a warning shot, actually, someone was trying to send him a message of some sort and not neccesarily kill him (you don't think you are going to kill someone by shooting them in the leg, after all)

who knows, time will tell out.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:18 AM
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15. I think his wife is involved.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:20 AM
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16. i thought about as well and then decided i've watched way too many episodes of Law and Order.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:40 AM
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21. I was reading comments in the Washington Post
and many there agree with you:

aquafemme2003 wrote:

Um, am I the only jaded, Lifetime movie-watching person thinking "How the hell did the girlfriend not get injured?"

Sounds like an episode of Snapped to me. Sorry, but this is the first thing I thought...


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...
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peaches2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:46 AM
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22. Not wife
Girlfriend
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:22 AM
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17. They do that when they are hit men
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:25 AM
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18. Yes, it is fishy--it seems like a hit rather than a burglary gone wrong.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 12:19 PM
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23. From what I hear he was shot in the groin area, the message was personal....
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 12:41 PM
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24. UP CLOSE
and personal......
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:39 PM
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25. Targeted by New York Giants
to secure wild-card spot.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 02:32 PM
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26. That's not even remotely funny
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 02:33 PM by CatWoman
:puke: -------> how about standing right there
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:00 PM
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28. Indeed it does
There are so many different versions of what happened...the latest being he was shot in the groin. MSM is still saying "leg." Why the discrepancy? I've also heard he grabbed a machete from under his bed after hearing a noise in the house. I believe it was ESPN reporting this and they also said he left the room with the machete in hand. Again, different from the original story of someone beating down the bedroom door. Very bizarre stuff.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:15 PM
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29. ESPN, 3 hours ago: I find this very strange--police are calling it random, but the alarm wasn't SET?
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 04:15 PM by blondeatlast
Even after the break-in November 17?

Excerpt from story:

MIAMI -- Washington Redskins safety Sean Taylor was shot to death in what police suspect was a random burglary, and there are no indications the player was targeted or knew his assailant.

"There's nothing that indicates thus far that there's some kind of involvement on the victim's part," said Robert Parker, director of the Miami-Dade County Police Department, adding it was "more like a random event."

He said evidence at Taylor's home indicates one or more intruders barged into the house early Monday in an attempted burglary. After a confrontation inside the home, Taylor was shot once in the upper leg and died early Tuesday after losing a tremendous amount of blood.


Do others find this strange? Alarm not set, even after break-in earlier this month, possible phone "malfunction," yet the Miami police are confident enough to tell the MSM that they think "it was "more like a random event"? How do they know there was a confrontation? Can someone explain these to my skeptical self?
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Mike03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:21 PM
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30. This bothers me too, but for different reasons than some
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 04:23 PM by Mike03
It doesn't surprise me that his alarm wasn't set. The rich and famous are confused and distracted just like everybody else. They don't always call the security people on time, or read the manuals, or set the codes... There's some weird ideas on DU about people with money. Haven't we all learned by now?

But the emphasis the family placed on security in the first twelve hours after the incident interests me.

The fact that the police can't state with any authority or certainty that the motive was burglary interests me.

The fact that no one else in the house was injured interests me.

The location of the fatal wound interest me.

I have some theories about this crime, but it's not really appropriate to over-speculate this early in the case.

No, of course it wasn't "random."

Yes, of course it was "foul play."

Yikes.
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Fabio Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:21 PM
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31. It's very possible that it was foul play
and that ST's past caught up to him in some way. As a redskins fan, I will miss having him grow up so much in front of our eyes -- from 20 year old extremely talented, trashing talking kid with bad judgment, to a much fuller man who took family and work extremely seriously, with an obvious love of children, his daughter in particular.

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lanlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:28 PM
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32. Sean went after the intruder with a machete--
Which he kept under his bed, and which his father, Pedro, said his son used for "gardening and yard work." Um, sure. A machete is just the thing to trim the rose bush. I think Sean was expecting trouble after that curious incident of a knife being left on his bed.
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WeRQ4U Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 05:00 PM
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35. I'm fairly certain he can't own a firearm...
From previous arrests. This was probably the next best thing to him.
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Mike03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 05:09 PM
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36. Or maybe he's like me: conflicted when it comes to weapons
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 05:09 PM by Mike03
I apparently have a concience problem with owning a gun, but I do have a number of samurai swords, one which stands at the head of my bed.
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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:35 PM
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33. It has too many oddities sticking out of it.
my gut feeling is that there is more going on there than what is presented so far.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:55 PM
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34. It's not just you, it stinks to high heaven
I think it was a hit and the wife was in on it.
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