Pucker Tucker talk'n bout Dennis.

[lonestarnot]

http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=64

[skipos]

1. Why isn't Kucinich a frontrunner? Because very few people want him to be President

It's that simple. Ron Paul has proven that if you can be ignored by the media and still gain a solid following.

[lonestarnot]

2. I do not believe you.

[skipos]

3. You don't believe that Ron Paul has proven you can be ignored by the media

and still have a solid following? You don't believe that Ron Paul has many times the number of donors and the amount of money as Kucinich? You don't believe that Kucinich will do just as poorly in 2008 and he did in 2004?

What is it that you don't believe?

[lonestarnot]

4. Because very few people want him to be President

And how many donors gave Paul the money... 3?

[skipos]

9. Yes, Paul raised $5 million last quarter, Kuc $500,000, all because of those generous 3 people! nt

[redqueen]

29. The question was: How many donated to Paul?

Not how much did he raise.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

5. DK is ignored by the media and has a strong following.

He has a very strong following amongst people who know better. Give it time, he will become a houshold name.

[skipos]

8. He came in 6th in 2004, where do you think will he place in 2008? nt

[lonestarnot]

12. skippo hates DK. hmmmmf. Wants to keep NAFTA and the WTO.

:toast:

[skipos]

14. No sorry, it must pain you to see that I don't fit into a neat little box

I like most of his voting record. He seems like a nice guy. I think most of the other candidates would be better, more effective Presidents. I haven't made a pick yet, but it won't be Kucinich or Clinton for sure. I'd ad Gravel to my "definitely not" list, but we know he isn't really trying to be President anyway.

[lonestarnot]

16. Truth of the matter is I do not care who you like or dislike.

I love Dennis. :patriot:

[skipos]

19. Great. He and Clinton are my last choices for the nomination.

The good news is that I am positive Kucinich won't get nominated, and I feel that Clinton is less likely to get the nomination than everyone thinks. :patriot:

[Just-plain-Kathy]

15. How could anyone have ill will against DK? ...The guys a patriot.

:toast:

[skipos]

20. I have no ill will, he is just at the bottom of my 08 list.

So is Clinton, and I have no ill will against her either.
:toast:

[redqueen]

28. deleted

[johncoby2]

6. Why isn't Kucinich a frontrunner?

Cuz only 10% of democrats believe in him.

Call us when he gets to 50% = one vote. Then we can talk about being President.

Looks like the DK guys have a lot of block walking to do to get to 50%.

(It aint going to happen. Bet your house on it.)

[lonestarnot]

7. Maybe we will see just how many cards, letters, emails and phone calls those representing us

received re impeachment afterall.

[johncoby2]

10. Uh......10%?

[lonestarnot]

11. Ugh no, the real number.

[johncoby2]

13. 8%???

[lonestarnot]

17. another DK hater suppressionist

[johncoby2]

33. Nah, just a realist(sp?)

Kucinich has as much chance of getting the nomination as Ron Paul getting the nomination.

It aint going to happen.

So, if you are going to quit being a Democrat if DK doesn't get the nomination, quit now and same some time.

[LWolf]

18. "He's mocked by his own party."

The key point here is that they've said it out loud. It's not the general election that DK can't win. It's his own party that won't give him any respect. The Democratic Party doesn't stand for peace, for labor, for social and economic justice any more. They want to be "centrist," and the mocking is part of the divorcing themselves from their previous base.

It's been said out loud on the msm: Democrats claim to stand for all those things, but mock their candidate who best supports those positions.

There's plenty of evidence to support this assertion just in the responses to this thread.

[hootinholler]

21. Perhaps it's because he's called out the DLC by name?

First they mock you...

-Hoot

[LWolf]

24. I'm sure that doesn't help,

although the "mocking" has gone on long before that.

Of course, the dlc is not the democratic party, regardless of what they'd like us to believe.

[elaineb]

22. Damn, LWolf, you hit it right smack on the head!

The disdain expressed by certain DU'ers for a candidate who strongly and proudly represents ALL the positions one would expect of a Democrat defies reason.

[LWolf]

25. It defies reason,

unless the real goal is to shift the expected positions of a Democrat.

A party transformation, if you will, leaving old principles and Democrats behind.

[elaineb]

26. I agree, except that I thought the Democratic "leadership"

had already tried to effect that shift years ago.

What bothers me is that so many rank-and-file Dems on this board (unless they're really associated with the leadership?) are flinging so much poo in DK's direction.

I suppose shame can drive one to disdain, huh? I think DK's positions are so true to traditional Democratic positions that it's leaving the centrists painfully exposed like a nudist who took a wrong turn and ended up at the public beach.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

30. OK, aside from the "department of peace" thing...

...and his former abortion stance, I really haven't seen people criticizing his policies or positions. What I have seen (and have participated in to an extent) is people criticizing him and his supporters for:

1) Blaming the media / leadership / some other entity for his lack of support whilst ignoring the fact that most people have very legitimate concerns with his potential as a President.

2) Complaining that he's not being treated as a serious candidate when he has no on-the-ground organization to speak of in the early primary states.

3) Flagrant grandstanding (the ABC online poll thing, his impeachment resolution, etc.)

I personally have no idea what the heck he's trying to do. I don't think it's purely a vanity campaign, but at the same time I don't think he's doing a very good job of using his candidacy to shift the debate in his direction. Gravel and Dodd are doing a better job of that than Kucinich.

[elaineb]

31. Exactly! The fact that so few of his DU detractors criticize his actual policies

is why I describe their efforts as "flinging poo."

1) I never once denied that some people have concerns about his "potential as a President", although I do suspect that most of these folks are letting their dislike of his actual positions lead them to examine his "potential as a President" much more minutely and negatively than they are analyzing any of the other candidates' same potential. I wish someone would explain in detail why they consider Kucinich to have less "potential" as a President than any of the other candidates. It may be self-evident to you and a few others, but it sure the hell isn't to me. But you'd be surprised how opened-minded I am. Someone try to convince me that Kucinich couldn't be as effective a President as any other in the last 50 years! I won't even limit you to comparing a Kucinich presidency to a Bush presidency. And, yes, feel free to compare him to Bill Clinton (as long as you concentrate on what progress was made on *Democratic* concerns during Clinton's presidency).

2) Some DU'er pointed out the other day that Kucinich got so little media attention in Iowa in 2004, that perhaps he decided to concentrate his dollars and efforts in other states and by non-traditional campaigning tactics. Do you believe every candidate has to campaign in the same location and in the same manner to mark their efforts as "serious"? If you examine whether the candidates appear to be running for the office itself vs. the opportunity to realize their vision for the country, I truly think Kucinich is perhaps the only serious candidate running.

3) This doesn't even deserve a reply. You say "grandstanding", and I say he's acting on his statements and beliefs. Do you call out the other candidates when they complain about media bias? Because I'm pretty sure they've all done it at one time or the other. As for the impeachment issue: I get it. You think impeachment is an issue which could backfire on the Democrats. Myself?: I have no idea. I could see it going either way. But, I agree with Kucinich and a hell of a lot of DU'ers that impeachment is vital and necessary for preserving and protecting the Constitution. It's that simple. Am I grandstanding because I want impeachment proceedings? No, I'm just a lowly citizen wanting a representative to act on my desire in Congress. Kucinich is one of the few who is willing to be my representative.

[redqueen]

27. Yup...

that's why I'm changing my registration after I vote in the primary.

[LWolf]

32. Yes. n/t

[Echo In Light]

23. If the $ interests who own and manage the MSM began pimping DK...

Then 'suddenly' DK would have a steadily growing base - aside from the largely anti-establishment one he already has, myself included. That'll never happen though because those vested interests have zero intention of self-sabotage.