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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:05 PM
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"TV made him a hero, and we'll use TV to take him down"
A group of 9/11 firefighters and victims' family members with eyes on derailing Republican Rudy Giuliani's presidential campaign is close to a decision on forming an entity that would run issue ads in key early nominating states.

"TV made him a hero, and we'll use TV to take him down," New York Fire Chief Jim Riches told ABC News.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3881195&page=1
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:08 PM
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1. Good for them
Disgust in action.

It's going to be a delight watching him go down in flames during the primary process.
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:09 PM
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2. Never, ever, EVER piss off a firefighter.
EVER.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:11 PM
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4. Good advice!
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:12 PM
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6. My dad was a firefighter...
Edited on Sat Nov-17-07 06:13 PM by Amerigo Vespucci
I come from a very small town in Massachusetts. The fire department and police department consisted of approximately 60% volunteers...the rest were regular, salaried employees. My dad was a volunteer on both.

I have photos of my dad with an oxygen mask on his face after a bad dose of smoke inhalation. He pulled dying people out of auto accidents, saw stuff that would make most people LOSE it..

You said it all.

Never, ever, EVER piss off a firefighter. They are the REAL heroes. Rudy's a gangster in a hero costume, and the harder he pushes to become president, the harder the real heroes will yank it off his worthless gangster ass.

:patriot:
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:16 PM
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7. Yeah, I have cousins in Lynn who are firefighters.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:43 PM
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11. Yaaaay for firefighters. Double yay for firefighters in MA!!
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:05 PM
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15. As a ret ff...."NO SHIT"...us FFs are pissed with Bush and Ruddy
Actors are whot they are....Bad ones....
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 05:41 PM
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28. Amen.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:09 PM
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3. Where can I contribute?
That sounds like a worthwhile project to counter the 9-11 hero bullshit we get almost daily on the teevee.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:44 PM
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12. Sign me up for a contribution, too. nt
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:12 PM
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5. I hope they do it!
I'd be happy to contribute.

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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:22 PM
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8. Gouliani is an opportunistic fraud.
He is also a thug.
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:23 PM
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9. "Words got me the wound, and will make me well..."
From a poem by Jim Morrison that the thread title reminded me of.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:29 PM
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10. Sweeeeeeeet.
Real heroes know the fake ones for what they better than any of us.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 06:55 PM
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13. I love this kind of stuff
I wish I could see a lot more posts like this!
I hate Giuliani.. he's such a fake.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 07:02 PM
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14. The comment section on this article on
Huffington Post has this terrific comemnt by someone who calls himself RedWhiteandBrooklyn:


And what about the radios, Rudy? Let's talk about the radios!

To all of the trolls who think of this sissy-boy with a bully's mask as some kind of hero, Rudy
bought 2-way radios for the NYC Firefighters that were about 10 years outdated. It wasn't his call to make, but he did. He knew best. These radios did not work inside of buildings. (Now, think about New York City for a moment. Buildings, right? Right. The whole city is buildings. To the firefighters, radios that don't let them talk with one another inside buildings are useless.) They did not let the Firefighters and Police talk with one another. Police and Firefighters NEED to communicate, during fires and especially during major emergencies. The Firefighters did not want them, and said so. The firefighter brass did not want them, and said so. Rudy knew best, of course, and gave the no-bid contract (in violation of city and state laws) to a campaign donor and bought the radios. The ones that the Firefighters and Police did not want. The ones that did not work properly. The ones with outdated technology and big price tags. On Sept. 11, the Firefighters inside the World Trade Center buildings had only these useless radios. They could not communicate with one another inside the buildings, and they could not communicate with the Police. Those inside could not hear their commanders telling them to get out because the buildings were going to collapse. They never heard the Police helicopters, circling overhead, telling them to get out because the buildings were going to collapse. They died carrying those expensive, worthless radios that Rudy bought from a campaign contributor. Blood money. Blood money. Who knows how many brave men and women died on that day because RUDY'S RADIOS DID NOT WORK?!?!?! I would say that their brave blood is on his hands, but I have too much respect for them, and too much contempt for Rudy..

So, Rudy... tell us about the radios, won't you? Tell us all about the radios.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/11/17/tv-made-him-a-...
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:47 PM
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16. Excellent! I've been waiting for the firefighters to get involved in this. THEY can easily
take him down. When people outside of NY city hear their stories, he'll be toast. They will be appalled by what that freak did. Absolutely appalled.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:20 PM
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17. It's like "Swift Boating" - except it's all true
Rudy was NYC's face man on 9/11. After that awful day, he went back to being the anti-worker bully New Yorker's knew all too well. If the firefighters' ads are effective and they manage to sink Giuliani, it will be poetic justice.
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 11:31 PM
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18. Will this be another case, like impeachment, of the repubes inoculating themselves?
What if Kerry uses the T. Boone Pickens challenge to embarrass and discredit the swifties? What if the Firefighters get grouped with the swifties as "politics as usual"?

What if my tinfoil hat is on to tight?
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 02:40 PM
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21. and it's not a creation of the Democrats
the way the Swiftboat liars were a creation of the Republicans
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 05:11 PM
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26. But it could be made to look like it was! Pure Rove in that idea!
They won't say that the FF were evil, just deluded, and backed financially by sinister forces. Just wait and see...
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 02:11 AM
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19. I can't wait
till they kick his ass.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 01:55 PM
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20. I hope they do it. Ghouliani deserves to have his wooden teeth kicked in.
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 01:55 PM by CyberPieHole
:kick:
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 04:45 PM
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22. Hot damn! This is goooood! This guy is pissed and doesn't give
shit about the political ramifications. K&R
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rAVES Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 04:52 PM
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23. I hope he smashes his teeth when he crashes to the ground...
what a horrible piece of shit he is.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 04:54 PM
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24. Here's hoping.
Waiting impatiently... :popcorn:
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 05:07 PM
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25. Schweeeet! Could not happen to a nicer guy!
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 05:42 PM
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29. The non functioning two way radios that Mr. 911 foisted upon
the Police & Fire Fighters should be enough to disgrace Mr. 911. Criminal Charges should be
filed on Mr. 911.
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 06:08 PM
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30. What's the full story on that?
Was Rudy directly involved or was it lack of preparation and planning by Rudy's administration?

I'm getting my ammo ready for Thanksgiving in South Carolina with in laws!

The fact that some people say that RUdy is strong on national security is laughable to me. What does he know about national security? He stood on a pile of rubble and now screams 9/11! every chance he gets.

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 05:39 PM
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27. think about it....bernie kerik, Homeland Security Chief.?....be gone rudy
Edited on Sun Nov-18-07 05:45 PM by spanone
i support the firefighters.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 06:38 PM
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31. Where Do I Donate?
I met some of the firefighters from 9/11 last month - some who were sick, unable to get medical care, suffering.
It's hard to discredit a firefighter, much less a 9/11 firefighter. I don't think Rudy's people would even try for fear of a worse backlash. They may have to just swallow this, deal with it, just like they'll have to deal with Kerik and Ailes and Rudy in a dress. I just wish beating Rudy was our biggest problem...if it were, we'd have no problems at all.
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