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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 07:30 AM
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Sibel Edmonds Case: New (and old) revelations of spying at the FBI
News outlets are abuzz with the news of the guilty plea of Nada Nadim Prouty.

Despite fraudulently acquiring her citizenship and having close familial ties to Hezbollah, Prouty was able to pass background checks for both the CIA and the FBI.

Prouty pled guilty to improperly accessing the internal computer systems, apparently to get a status-check on investigations into Hezbollah, as well as herself and her family members.

The agencies appear to be playing down the incident with anonymous sources saying that there aren't any counter-terrorism or counter-intelligence implications - although many observers are less sanguine.

Perhaps the media will take the opportunity to revisit the case of former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds.

Perhaps the media will be equally outraged that some of the spies in Sibel's case are still working in senior positions at the FBI, and other spies were allowed to walk away without an investigation.

Perhaps not. I won't hold my breath.

*****
Dodgy Background Checks?
The UK's Independent reports:
"As a tale of incompetence by the intelligence services, the tale of Nada Nadim Prouty is hard to beat."


What if the issue isn't a matter of 'incompetence' though? As we saw in Sibel's case, sometimes there really are 'bad guys' inside the agencies. It's certainly not inconceivable that 'bad guys' in the agencies would recruit and promote similarly-minded folks. To the extent that might be true, it wouldn't take very long for the bad guys to come to dominate the senior positions at the FBI.

If that sounds far-fetched, consider what Special Agent John Roberts said on the 60 Minutes show about Sibel's case. John Roberts was head of the FBI's Internal Affairs Department - so his words should carry some weight:

Mr. JOHN ROBERTS: I don't know of another person in the FBI who has done the internal investigations that I have and has seen what I have and that knows what has occurred and what has been glossed over and what has, frankly, just disappeared, just vaporized, and no one disciplined for it.
<...>
Mr. ROBERTS: I think the double standard of discipline will continue no matter who comes in, no matter who tries to change. You have a certain group that will continue to protect itself. That's just how it is.
<...>
BRADLEY: Have you found cases since 9/11 where people were involved in misconduct and were not, let alone reprimanded, but were even promoted?

Mr. ROBERTS: Oh, yes. Absolutely.
<...>
Mr. ROBERTS: Depends on who you are. If you're in the senior executive level, it may not hurt you. You will be promoted.

Youtube

Long term FBI agent Frederic Whitehurst from the FBI crime lab in Washington made a similar point, hypothetically, in an interview with Sibel and Scott Horton:
Dr Whitehurst: But right now there is not only no accountability (at the FBI), nobody audits the process, nobody can audit the process, so we don't know how many of those people are crooks.

Think about this - and it's not too far fetched - the FBI has (previously) been infiltrated by spies, Robert Hansen, Earl Pitt, whatever, by spies. Foreign governments have infiltrated the FBI. The FBI has had agents that have joined the mafia... Suppose that the top management of the FBI was compromised - what recourse do American citizens have? We don't have any recourse. The safest place in the United States of America right now for a criminal is within the walls of FBI headquarters. The safest place! Nobody can touch those people! It's terrifying.


Whitehurst makes a related point in that interview:
The Bureau has an expression: 'Who is your juice-man back at HQ?' Who is the guy that is supporting you?


As I documented in Sibel Edmonds' Corrupt Boss is STILL the key to National Security, Sibel's boss, Mike Feghali, engaged in all manner of espionage, including recruiting spies into the translation bureau and making sure that agents in the field didn't receive translations that were directly relevant to ongoing investigations - including the 9/11 investigation. This has all been confirmed by the Inspector General's report into Sibel's case. Nonetheless, Feghali has been promoted and is now, currently, in charge of the entire Arabic translation desk, in charge of 300 translators, many of whom are his family and friends, and some "were openly celebrating the terrorist attacks on September 11."

Who promoted Feghali, and why? Who are his 'juice men'?

Why is Congress, and the media, silent on this matter?

Feghali also hired Melek Can Dickerson. Prior to joining the FBI, Dickerson worked for three different organizations - all of which were targets of FBI investigations, and she had ongoing relationships with people who were targets of FBI counter-intelligence and counter-terrorism operations.

How did the FBI miss this in their background checks?

In partnership with Feghali, Dickerson blocked translations into her friends, leaked information to them about the investigations, and engaged in all manner of other nefarious activities. Dickerson, and her husband then-USAF Major Douglas Dickerson, actually tried to recruit Sibel into the espionage network.

Again, even after this was confirmed by the FBI's own investigation, Melek Can Dickerson was allowed to continue in her nefarious ways for another 6 months before she fled the country. Her husband, Douglas Dickerson, has since been protected by various interests withing the US Government, and has also promoted to Lieutenant Colonel, and still has his Top Secret/SCI clearance - giving him access to all manner of US military secrets that he might sell to the highest bidder.

Sibel describes it thusly:
"As mentioned above and confirmed by the Congress and the FBI, Melek Can Dickerson was hired and granted Top Secret Clearance despite the fact that she lied in her job application about her previous employments that were targets of FBI investigations, that she and her husband had on going personal and business relationships with FBI targets. Ms. Dickerson maintained her position and clearance even after the FBI confirmed that she had intentionally blocked and mistranslated intelligence/information related to the individuals and organizations she had ties with, and after two FBI targets were tipped off and hastily left the United States"


Why is Congress, and the media, silent on this matter?

Of course, Sibel isn't the only person to make claims about dodgy background investigations. Take the case of John Cole, manager for counterintelligence operations covering Pakistan, Afghanistan and India at FBI HQ. He reported that:
Several translators from (Pakistan, Afghanistan and India ), who had ties/relationship with targets of FBI investigations and were found to be significant security risks, were hired by the FBI and placed in charge of translating intelligence in languages from Pakistan, Afghanistan, and India. In one case, the translator's father was among the members of a FBI target organization, and in another case, the FBI discovered that one translator had been providing FBI top secret information to a foreign intelligence service.


Cole was forced out of the FBI after 18 years for raising these questions. Apparently he didn't have the requisite Juice Men on his side.

Back to Prouty
Returning to the recent case of Nada Nadim Prouty, according to The Independent, in 1999, Prouty was "talent spotted" at the restaurant where she'd worked since 1990. Who recruited her? Who pushed her through the recruitment process? Who were her 'Juice-Men'? Have they been promoted? Who facilitated Prouty's 2003 move to the CIA and then to the "CIA’s most sensitive post" where she "participated in the debriefings of high-ranking al-Qaida detainees"?

The Prouty timeline, and her penalty, is also suspicious.

According to Michael Isikoff in Newsweek, buried in the penultimate paragraph of a 3 page article:
"(The FBI) discover(ed) Prouty's connections to Hizbullah (in) December 2005... Eventually the bureau alerted the agency and the CIA later reassigned her to a less sensitive position... about a year ago, after she first came under suspicion."


That is, the FBI has known about this for 2 years, and it took the CIA a full 12 months to downgrade her status, and then it took a further 12 months for the investigation and to negotiate her guilty plea. Of course, Prouty wasn't charged with espionage, but rather, as one anonymous spin doctor described it:
"She took an illegal shortcut to the American dream, then she made some inappropriate computer searches."


Heads were exploding over at Fox News at the apparent lenience of the punishment:
JOHN GIBSON, CO-HOST: We're all breathless about this, an illegal immigrant spy with terror ties and the punishment — that's it for the punishment?

KENNEDY: This has got a lot of people in the intelligence industry just completely freaked out that she's only getting six to 12 months. I spoke with the Justice Department today. They say because she is going to cooperate and because she will be a key witness, this is what they arranged for her plea deal.


So which is it? "Inappropriate computer searches" or something more serious?

Former CIA agent Larry Johnson says:
"The CIA and FBI are going to great lengths to try to tamp this story down. But you don’t blow an ops officer’s career just because she took a sneaky peek of an classified file. For Christ’s sake. She had clearances. She did something beyond read."


So why did Prouty get off nearly scot-free? The fake marriage and immigration charges appear to be the equivalent of Bernie Kerik's 'Nanny problem.' Again, who are Prouty's 'Juice Men'? Did she blackmail them into giving her this apparent leniency? Did she threaten to expose them all?

Prouty's guilty plea states that if she withdraws her guilty plea, the government shall "reinstate any charges that were dismissed as part of this agreement." What are those charges? What are they holding over her head?

How many other spies?
Scott Horton asked Sibel about the reaction within the FBI when she began to report what was happening. Sibel replied:
"After this was confirmed - because the agent I worked for, he reported this issue to the Security Division - and it came down to this issue: If (the FBI) were to admit to this case, and investigate it, criminally investigate it and refer it to counter-espionage division, it would bring into question all the other Top Secret Clearances we had granted to other translators. That means they would come down and shake up this dept and - this is the exact words:
"Who knows how many more Dickersons would fall out if they were to come and shake up the Dept?"


Heaven forbid. Apparently they'd rather tolerate multiple cases of espionage than have a PR problem. Again, I'm not sure whether espionage vulnerability is regarded as a feature or a bug.

Traduttore tradittore
In fact, compromised translators are often more dangerous than compromised agents. "Traduttore tradittore" say the Italians - "The translator is the traitor."

In the words of DoJ's Inspector General Glenn Fine:
"The FBI’s linguists play a critical role in developing effective counterterrorism and counterintelligence information. Linguists are the first line of analysis for information collected in a language other than English."


Compromised translators have the power to shift investigations away from targets, and given Feghali's hiring practices, many of them were compromised. In Sibel's case, Melek Can Dickerson simply told the agents that certain relevant phone calls between her friends were 'not pertinent.' The agents simply had no choice but to trust the translations. Eventually the agents suspected that something was amiss and asked Sibel to retranslate the wiretaps.

Given the enormous power of the translators, it's not surprising that foreign interests would attempt to infiltrate the translation bureau. In fact, within the FBI, translators actually have significantly higher clearance authority than any of the actual agents. What is surprising is that the FBI doesn't go to greater lengths to ensure the integrity of the translation unit. Again, one possibility is that various Juice Men prefer to have weaknesses in the system.

'Illegal Alien'
I don't know the truth behind the Prouty matter. I suspect it is much more serious than the agencies are currently trying to portray. On the other hand, I suspect that the 'illegal alien' (and to a lesser degree the Hezbollah connection) emphasis is merely a smokescreen for our friends on the Right.

I do know that there are more serious problems that we face - including the fact that we currently have traitors in the FBI translation department, and the Defense Department, and the State Department - and they are being protected today. And someone keeps promoting them. Sibel has been trying to bring these matters to our attention for 5 years - but neither our friends in congress, nor our friends in the media (for that matter, nor our friends in the blogosphere) appear very interested in listening to her - despite the fact that her allegations have all been confirmed.

Sibel has been trying, unsuccessfully, to get Henry Waxman to hold hearings into her case in Congress. (In ordinary circumstances, we might expect Waxman's Government Reform Committee to hold hearings into the Prouty matter, but he wouldn't dare do that without holding hearings into Sibel's case.) Now Sibel is prepared to 'tell all,' at great personal risk, if a broadcast network will let her tell her story.

Sibel deserves our support.

*************

Waxman can be contacted in DC: (202)225-3976 and LA:323 651-1040. The toll free Capitol switchboard number is 800-828-0498. See if you can shame him into doing something.

cross-posted at Let Sibel Edmonds Speak
(Email me if you want to be added to my Sibel email list. Subject: 'Sibel email list')
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 07:37 AM
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1. The disturbing fact of Ferghali
promoted to the Saudi desk is most disturbing and is an angle I intend to express with someone connected to our "Homeland Security" very soon.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 07:45 AM
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3. thnx for your tireless work
FTR - that's the ARABIC desk, not 'Saudi'
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 07:47 AM
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4. Yes, sorry.
I equate language with countries sometimes when it's not that exact.
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 07:41 AM
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2. K & R
"Who knows how many more Dickersons would fall out if they were to come and shake up the Dept?" This is what we do want to know.

Excellent post, lukery. Thank you!
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 08:10 AM
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5. i'd hate to think
given how many of the translators were compromised in the recruitment process, there is probably much low hanging fruit for anyone who wants to recruit there
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 08:17 AM
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7. That's the scary part. It leaves holes in the system and the system corrupted.
I call it holes for moles.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 08:28 AM
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9. "holes for moles"
i love it.

I'm gonna borrow that one. thnx!
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 08:28 AM
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10. holes for moles
That's a good one :-)
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 08:14 AM
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6. K&R
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 08:19 AM
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8. Yes! and no
acronyms! :applause: waiting and watching
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 08:32 AM
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11. Does the Office of Personnel Management do the FBI's background checks?
Edited on Fri Nov-16-07 08:32 AM by elehhhhna
I ask because of a little- known FACT: the OPM is FULLY OUTSOURCED to a company which is owned by...wait for it...THE CARLYLE GROUP.


Hmmm.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 08:34 AM
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13. Coincidences can be interesting whether you believe in them or don't.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 08:42 AM
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14. kidding?
surely you are kidding?
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 08:56 AM
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15. no, honey, I am not. Lemme google it up for ya.... (edited to update--)
Edited on Fri Nov-16-07 09:07 AM by elehhhhna
Carlyle had been a shareholder in USIS since 1999 and with the buy-out deal via the Welsh, Carson, Anderson, and Stowe deal, Carlyle became the major shareholder.

USIS continues to have a virtual exclusivity deal to perform background security investigations for OPM. The company bills itself as "one of the largest Intelligence and Security Services companies in North America.

http://www.suijuris.net/forum/big-brother/12123-usis-go...


Here's a more reliable source:

CORNERING THE MARKET
The $545 million that New York investment firm Welsh, Carson, Anderson & Stowe paid for USIS was remarkable partly because it made some former government employees wealthy. Approximately 3,600 employees and about 1,400 former workers shared $500 million, apportioned depending on their length of service, says Laurence Goldberg, the attorney who represented the employee-owners in the deal. The remaining $45 million went to buy out outside shareholders, he says. Washington-based Carlyle Group, a minority shareholder since 1999 and the world's largest equity fund manager, reinvested $172 million in the company, along with senior USIS managers. USIS executives declined to discuss any aspect of the transaction.
But beyond the high price tag and high-profile investors, the buyout is significant because it has financially buttressed USIS to consume more of the background investigations market. In February, Defense officials decided to move the department's security clearances unit to OPM pending enactment of the fiscal 2004 budget. Once that happens, USIS' most important customer, OPM, will have central control over awarding background investigation contracts. In a statement in February, OPM said that merging its operations with Defense would benefit all contractors, because in the past "these companies had to compete for work both agencies." However, OPM's history of awarding investigation contracts hasn't been all that competitive.
When OPM gave USIS its exclusive deal in 1996, no other company was conducting large numbers of background investigations on the government's behalf. USIS' position as the dominant player in the market today was nearly guaranteed by its sweetheart arrangement with the government. In 2001, OPM conducted a new competition for its investigations work, and USIS won the contract again. Today, three other companies do a small amount of work for the agency, the OPM official says, declining to name them. But as the Defense operation prepares to move to OPM, USIS' competitors are hoping the company doesn't swallow their share of the market as well.

http://www.govexec.com/features/0603/0603s2.htm
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 09:03 AM
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16. funny...
...but sadly so very true!
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 09:06 AM
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18. Odd, isn't it? Almost like a conspiracy or something.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 09:14 AM
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21. One big incestuous operation.
James Baker III, former United States Secretary of State under George H. W. Bush, Staff member under Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush, Carlyle Senior Counselor, served in this capacity from 1993 to 2005

George H. W. Bush, former U.S. President, Senior Advisor to the Carlyle Asia Advisory Board from April 1998 to October 2003

George W. Bush, current U.S. President. Was appointed in 1990 to the Board of Directors of one of Carlyle's first acquisitions, an airline food business called Caterair, which Carlyle eventually sold at a loss. Bush left the board in 1992 to run for Governor of Texas

Frank C. Carlucci, former United States Secretary of Defense from 1987 to 1989; Also, former Princeton wrestling partner of former US Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld. Carlyle Chairman and Chairman Emeritus from 1989 to 2005

Richard Darman, former Director of the U.S. Office of Management and Budget under George H. W. Bush, Senior Advisor and Managing Director of The Carlyle Group from 1993 to the present
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 10:18 AM
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34. dont' forget Rummy -- he's connected too
* Frank C. Carlucci, former United States Secretary of Defense from 1987 to 1989; Also, former Princeton wrestling partner of present US Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld. Carlyle Chairman and Chairman Emeritus from 1989 to 2005.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 09:15 AM
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22. you just unmade my day
thnx.

when you think things can't get any worse, just wait till tomorrow.

(i love your sig, though, that brightens my day. is that a new one? i haven't noticed it before)
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 01:53 PM
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37. I can't remember the man's name, but he was investigating USIS
when he committed suicide in Iraq. Westhousing, Westhusing...? or something like that.

I'm sorry. It seems so disrespectful when someone gives loses their life fighting for freedom and then I can't remember their name. It's just that there have been so many, and so many aspects of this crime of an administration.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 09:07 PM
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45. His name was Col. Ted Westhusing, bless his soul. Here's a link on him if you're interested
Westhusing, 44, was no ordinary officer. He was one of the Army's leading scholars of military ethics, a professor at West Point who volunteered to serve in Iraq to be able to teach his students better. He had a doctorate in philosophy; his dissertation was an extended meditation on the meaning of honor.

So it was only natural that Westhusing acted when he learned of possible corruption by US contractors in Iraq. A few weeks before he died, Westhusing received an anonymous complaint that a private security company he oversaw had cheated the US government and committed human rights violations. Westhusing confronted the contractor and reported the concerns to superiors, who launched an investigation.

In e-mails to his family, Westhusing seemed especially upset by one conclusion he had reached: that traditional military values such as duty, honor, and country had been replaced by profit motives in Iraq, where the United States had come to rely heavily on contractors for jobs once done by the military.

His death stunned those who knew him. Colleagues and commanders wondered whether they had missed signs of depression. Only a day before his death, Westhusing won praise from a senior officer for his progress in training Iraqi police.

His friends and family struggle with the idea that Westhusing could have killed himself. He was a loving father and husband and a devout Catholic. He had less than a month before his return home. It seemed impossible that anything could crush the spirit of a man with such a powerful sense of right and wrong.

On the Internet and in conversations with one another, Westhusing's family and friends have questioned the military investigation.
http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2005/12/04/so...
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 02:56 PM
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48. That's him. I wonder what became of the investigation
"Westhusing confronted the contractor and reported the concerns to superiors, who launched an investigation." As I recall they basically defamed Westhusing suggesting that he was too rigid, not that crooked contracting in Iraq was a problem.

So many investigations have apparently led no where. Of all the things this country has lost, I think we're going to miss justice the most.


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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 03:30 PM
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49. Well, guess WHO Westhusing's "superior" was? .. yep .. none other than Gen. Betrayus
that should tell you what happened to the "investigation" .. down the memory hole.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 12:32 PM
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53. I think it stand for United States Intelligence Services and they were "privatized"
Which is a term that needs to be changed to "piratized." There's nothing private about it when the activities are still funded by the public, with the significant changes being that it cost more because profiteers are involved, and there's no accountability when it turns out that interests other than the public's are being served.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 09:03 AM
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17. Interesting. They also recruit for Accenture
which is listed for contract abuses by Waxman's office. Thanks for the additional angle I can use.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 09:29 AM
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25. Holy shit! You've got to be kidding? They Carlyle Group???
This stinks even worse than I ever imagined. Kinda like Neil or Marvin Bush having the security contract for the WTC buildings, just before the attacks of 9/11.

Does this ever end?

:kick:
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 04:46 PM
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44. OPM's work outsourced to Carlyle?!? Ack!
:wow:
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 08:34 AM
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12. Pentagon?
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 09:09 AM
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19. Perhaps SE could write a book & self publish &/or publish on the web?
I'd pay bigtime to read it.

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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 09:22 AM
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23. you've read most of my posts
and got them for free ;-)
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 09:27 AM
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24. lukery do you have another link for the movie this one is not working
Edited on Fri Nov-16-07 10:03 AM by seemslikeadream
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 09:49 AM
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28. sorry
nope - unless you look for it as a torrent

(and btw, it's LUKERY)
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 10:03 AM
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31. I'm sorry I know that!
I was in such a hurry this morning, LUKERY!
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 10:03 AM
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32. True but methinks there are some big names she hasn't said yet.
What's your feeling on this? Is she sitting on a bombshell or two, still?
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 10:14 AM
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33. there are a couple of names
that she hasn't mentioned yet.

I suspect that I have put together 75% of the story so far. the only problem is that only you and i and a few other 100 know what she's actually said so far. (oh - that, and these people are still walking the streets, starting wars and whatnot)
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 10:19 AM
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35. I tried to get this to my Rep in Congress but he's hard to reach unless he wants money
Lampson. What a waste.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 02:39 PM
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40. Occaisionally she mentions the name Hillary....

it might be good (in the long run, for Democrats) if she expounded on that one before primaries.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 09:12 AM
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20. Sibel Edmonds and other Whistleblowers Group
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 09:36 AM
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26. K & R Thanks Lukery! You're doing this country a great service,
whether you realize it or not. SOMEDAY this is going to be known far & wide. I wish it was THIS day. Sibel Edmonds is truly a great American hero. I hope she stays safe, and finds someone in the news to take her full story....ON PRIME TIME.

:kick:
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 09:40 AM
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27. Right on!
'You're doing this country a great service': Yes, indeed.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 09:56 AM
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30. lol
i'm a patriotic australian :-)
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 09:53 AM
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29. a hero
thnx loudsue

sibel is the only hero - the rest of us can just try to do what we can to support her.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 11:52 AM
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36. Kicking this to the top where it belongs!
:kick:
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 01:57 PM
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38. This is why it's not acceptable for Hastert, et al, to just retire
The problem doesn't get fixed, and justice is not served. Thanks, again, to you and all the whistleblowers who will one day be heard over the drone of complicit media.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 02:05 PM
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39. Rotten to the core. Grrrecommended
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 02:42 PM
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41. K&R, where the hell is the outrage??!

FBI corruption leading up to 9-11 still is being overlooked.
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lazyriver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 03:11 PM
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42. Thanks for working so hard to spread the word about
Sibel's case. You now have a shiny new donor star.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-18-07 12:40 AM
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51. thnx
i appreciate it.
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whyzayker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 03:45 PM
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43. Out of your whole post...
The Roberts quote "You have a certain group that will continue to protect itself. That's just how it is." keeps going round and round in my head. DOD and DOJ doing back door "business as usual" with allies and enemies while the little people fret about those turble terrorists" that are gonna kill us all.

Every time you post, lukery, the same thought echoes - what the hell is it going to take? Again, thanks.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 09:11 PM
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46. K&R! n/t
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 04:40 PM
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50. And kick again! n/t
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-17-07 08:08 AM
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47. Weren't Gay Arabic Language Linguists Fired
unbelievable, this govt. would fire qualified translators and have significant security risks at this level.
Sorry, some on this thread I have on ignore in case this has already been addressed.

Several translators from (Pakistan, Afghanistan and India ), who had ties/relationship with targets of FBI investigations and were found to be significant security risks, were hired by the FBI and placed in charge of translating intelligence in languages from Pakistan, Afghanistan, and India. In one case, the translator's father was among the members of a FBI target organization, and in another case, the FBI discovered that one translator had been providing FBI top secret information to a foreign intelligence service.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-19-07 01:32 AM
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52. Kick! n/t
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Gonnuts Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-20-07 10:10 AM
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54. Just called Waxman's office ...
and after I express my concerns the tallier starts in with the "... Rep. Waxman has a long list ...blah, blah, blah ... I'm sure he'll get to it ... blah, blah ...", when she was finished I said that sounds like an evasive answer. We have what seems to be our security compromised at the highest levels of the military, State Dept. and intelligence services and one would think that something of this nature would be pushed to the head of "the list" as Waxman had promised.
Then she asked me "where" I heard this. I told her if anyone is following this story it's on several different blogs and Sibel herself has said that Waxman doesn't even acknowledge her calls anymore.

Of course she said she'd pass on my concerns.

I'm telling ya, something, anything, better break soon cause the time is getting short. I can't help but feel that in the months prior to the elections, if the "bad guys" aren't held in check, 09' will go down as the exclamation point on the demise of America.
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