BS ....Bob Moser and Laura Flanders on AAR...be honest

[madfloridian]

Bob Moser who writes for The Nation just said the Florida Democrats had little input to the primary date. Laura Flanders did not correct him.

In fact, you two guys on the radio....the vote was 115 to 1 with the Democrats on board since early 2006.


Gelber admits they did not fight the GOP about the primary.

Of course we didn't fight against the bill. When the Republican leadership made it clear that this was their priority, Democrats had two choices: support something their constituents support and that was going to become law anyway; or support the DNC Rules Committee enforcement of a primary system that our constituents revile. For me, this decision was easy.

And even more, the party spokesman admitted Democrats were "all for it" in March 2006.

"Florida Democrats are all for it"...March 2006.

"Florida Democrats are all for it," Mark Bubriski, spokesman for the Florida Democratic Party, said at the time. (The time was March 2006)

Shame on using facts so carelessly.

Not only that, Moser sounded like Democrats were going to stay home. That is just not true according to this. I am among the 7% who will stay home.

Democrats unbowed

Democrats unbowed

State leaders this year moved Florida's primary from March to Jan. 29 to increase Florida's influence in the presidential nominating process. That early primary violates both parties' rules and has prompted national Democrats to declare Florida's vote officially meaningless in picking the nominee. As a result, all of the leading Democrats signed a pledge promising not to campaign in Florida.

The poll found that Florida Democrats are unbowed. Only seven percent said they were less likely to vote in the primary as a result of the penalties from national Democrats.

The real question is whether Clinton is stoppable in Florida, where she leads comfortably in every region and by more than 40 percentage points among the most reliable voters -- those 60 and older.

Among 18- to 34-year-olds, Obama, her closest but still distant rival, beat the New York senator 43 percent to 36 percent, and edged her among African-Americans, 44 percent to 42 percent.

But for all the talk of Clinton's divisive and polarizing nature, the poll offers little evidence that she's a significantly weaker general election candidate in Florida than any other Democrat, especially given the anti-Republican climate.

Everytime I turn on and hear Radio Nation, I get upset. They need to correct this.

I trust people on the radio to present truth, not the party spin. I respected Bob Moser's article at The Nation about the 50 state plan, called Purple America. But I was very disappointed in him today.

He got the Florida side, and that was it.

[madfloridian]

1. Dear Bob and Laura....more on the subject.

I am the only one who seems to care about the fact that a large state lied and spun about their own party.

"Primary bully Florida ought to be ashamed"...four articles catch on to Florida's primary ploy.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1469

Bill Nelson today will file a bill for regional primaries...but first he had to get your attention
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1478

Bill Nelson today: "DNC penalties unacceptable, unacceptable, unacceptable"
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1479

Carl Levin and Terry McAuliffe made a deal about primaries in 2004.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1483

Email from Florida DEC chairs saying not to give to the DNC or candidates.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1481

Florida Dems at convention have button that says "Screw Dean"...very classy.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1608

Bill Nelson "blisters" party leaders and early states at state convention.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1615

[glowing]

2. Wow, Guess if they spin FL like an insignificant thing, they will be

able to get away with anything.... I'm not sitting home. I'm going to vote. I don't care if they don't want to count it, its principal...

[madfloridian]

3. I care that my state leaders lied and are trying to break the party by lawsuits.

It breaks my heart.

[madfloridian]

4. More details for Bob and Laura on the complicity of Florida Democrats

Oh, and BTW Bob and Laura, the Nelson v Dean lawsuit is on December 5. Even though the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the DNC in 1981, Nelsona nd Hastings turned this into a racial thing...saying Dean is depriving the minorities of their vote. So it may have to be fought all the way there again.

They have not missed a beat. It was so well planned. I am the only one online speaking up about it, and that is a shame.

Another lawsuit against the party by Victor DiMaio of Tampa was turned down once, but he said he will just keep on keeping on.

Wonder who is paying for these lawsuits?

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1617

Florida Democratic Legislators sponsored the bill to move the primary to January 29th

Florida House Democratic Legislators voted in committee three times for the bill to move the primary to January 29

All but one Florida House Democratic Legislator vote on the floor to move the primary to January 29

Florida House Democratic Leader Dan Gelber stated, after receiving a call from DNC Chair asking for help in opposing setting the primary date before February 5, “I don’t represent Howard Dean.”

Florida House Democratic Leader Dan Gelber stated, after offering an amendment to move the primary to February 5th, that the only reason he offer it was “to show that there was an attempt to state within the Democratic Party rules.” The amendment failed on a voice vote with no debate being offered.

Florida Senate Democratic Legislators voted in committee to move the primary to January

Florida Senate Democratic Leader Steve Geller stated on the Senate floor that he was offering an amendment to move the primary to February 5 only because he was threatened by DNC Chair Howard Dean. Sen. Geller than mocked his own amendment which failed on a voice vote without any debate.

Bill Nelson is one very very angry man. It shows in his face how much he hates Dean and the people in the party who support him.



Angry Bill Nelson

Bill, you are a very angry man. I have never seen you so passionate. Our soldiers are dying, but you seldom mention them. Elderly, sick, and caregivers are losing homes through bankruptcy over medical bills. You don't seem very upset that by that.

You and Grace, your wife, are part of a powerful group of theocrats. Use your religion to calm you down before you totally split us apart here.

People I did not suspect would change their views are starting to do so.

Bring on that lawsuit, Bill. Let it rip.