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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:53 AM
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Right Now The Only Strong Opposition To Impeachment Comes From Democrats
Explain that one to me.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:55 AM
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1. Thank goodness there is so much difference between the parties
OBVIOUSLY, Ralph Nader had it all wrong.

:sarcasm:
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:59 AM
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5. Yep yep yep. When it comes to the truly big issues, you cannot tell them apart.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:57 AM
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2. I don't think that's necessarily true
they changed their votes only after seeing the Dems vote to table it. The Republicans also oppose it, but wanted to make the dems look bad.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:01 AM
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7. Do you realize what you are saying?
The reason they wish to bring the matter to the House floor is irrelevant. They have demonstrated support for a bill of Impeachment.

The fact is they voted to bring the matter to the floor. They did not oppose the Resolution, which is what I said in the title. What you are saying is that their reason of humiliating Democrats for doing so was valid, and implicitly that means you do not believe Richard Cheney has done anything that warrants impeachment. He has.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:33 AM
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16. so you honestly think the repugs would have voted to impeach?
that's your honest belief?
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 11:48 AM
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18. no, your title did not say that
it said the only opposition was from the Democrats. Not the same thing at all.

What you are saying is that their reason of humiliating Democrats for doing so was valid, and implicitly that means you do not believe Richard Cheney has done anything that warrants impeachment. He has.

How do you get that out of what I said?

I want Cheney and Bush and several others not only impeached but locked up for their crimes. You have an interesting way of interpreting things, my friend.

I am NOT defending the Democrats who tried to kill this measure, and nothing I said implies that I am. I am saying that the Republicans in no way want to actually impeach Cheney - they just want to make the Democrats look bad. They were voting with the Dems at first to kill it, then switched their votes. If you think the Republicans were sincerely trying to go along with Kucinich, you are sadly mistaken.
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onelittleindian Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:07 AM
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10. Impeach
How would this make the dems look bad, everyone wants impeachment and it doesn't matter how it is brought up. The dems looked bad because they were voted in due to lamebrain bush and his pathetic regime and then don't act.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:58 AM
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3. The enthusiasm by the GOP is for the debate. They love this shit.
It would be this year's Terry Shiavo or Gay Marriage. Dey luv dems sum dee-visive issues.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:59 AM
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4. Corporations don't want to impeach Bush my friend
The Democratic Party is one of two corporate parties.
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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:59 AM
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6. How to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
Its like they are playing for repug votes, not the people the gave them victory with a mandate in 2006. They are tone deaf.

If they keep this up there won't be enough excited dems to vote and then we can lose the presidency too.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:02 AM
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8. Cause It Won't Pass The Senate
Sadly, there aren't 16 Repugnicans who would vote in favor of articles to convict this criminal, thus the thought is the action is a waste of time and one that could distract from other "business". The corporate media is sure to turn this issue into a sideshow loaded with right wing spin and hate radio would be relentless in how the "libruls" were trying to overthrow the government.

The House and Senate Democrats are shell-shocked...getting hit on the right and the left...no matter what they do, it's not enough or good enough, thus they're not doing a thing.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:08 AM
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11. Irrelevant
Look at all the political hay made over the fact that Bill Clinton was impeached by the House? Conviction on a bill of impeachment is totally beside the point.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:23 AM
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15. Not To A Corporate Media
They'll trumpet a cheney "vindication". Impeachment without removal is a slap on the wrist as it does nothing to "defend the Constitution" as the pepetrator remains in office and can continue to act criminally. Impeachment without conviction didn't stop Clinton from taking military action in Kosovo, ya think it would do anything to stop this regime? Fortunately, it's 13 months until this regime is gone...and Impeachment can (as Conyers has pointed out) can be retroactive. I don't see it off the table...especially when more evidence comes forward to the illegalities of this regime.

Personally, nothing more than war crimes tribunals is worthy of the crimes this regime and its enablers (who also avoid any punishment during impeachment).
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:03 AM
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9. you are reading what happened all wrong.
Repukes wanted to humiliate the dem leadership- and they halfway did it. They wanted an hour debate on impeachment, because they knew damn well it would get voted down by a huge margin.
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onelittleindian Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:09 AM
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12. impeach
It would not get voted down by a huge margin if the Dems voted for it you idiot.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:16 AM
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14. Are you familiar with
DU rules? No? Let me suggest you become familiar with them.

In the real world, chickadee, the dems would not have voted for it the other day had it gone to the floor instead of Committee. Hell, 25 of them voted against ENDA, and you think they're going to vote for articles of impeachment after no investigations and an hour debate? Excuse me while I openly scoff at your lame opinion.

Try learning something about the topic before you opine on it.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:15 AM
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13. Oh sure, the Republicans want to impeach Cheney ...
Sorry, but you're reading the strategy all wrong.

However much the Democrats may want to impeach Cheney in theory, it's problematic given the extreme secrecy with which this administration operates: unless and until the sixteen-minute gap or a blue dress is found, it's going to be hard to legally prove how the intelligence was manipulated--even though we all know he did it.

And even if we had videotape of Master Cheney forging the Niger uranium documents himself with a quill pen, I can guarantee that nary a single Republican would vote to impeach him.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:34 AM
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17. Laughs So you really believe that House Republicans support impeachment?
Perhaps your disdain for Democrats has blinded you?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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