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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 10:21 PM
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Will Bush leave in 2009?
Well, in tonight's interview by Malloy of Doctor Frank (author of Bush on the Couch), he said that he wasn't sure. In the pathological personality that is Bush, bringing back BW from Iraq and essentially pulling a Coup is not out of the realm of possiblity.

To say that this matches my fears based on all the legistlation and Presidential Orders is to put it midly.

The reality is that this man is the most dangerous President in the History of the US. That is the reality.

And at this point... and yes I have said it, all these elections ARE kabuki theater... they don't intend to leave

So, it is time to wake up and realize where we are.

This is the first step in actually doing something about it.

Oh and what drives this sociopath and his type? Disaster Capitalism. I swear the damn pieces are falling into place
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 10:25 PM
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1. Maybe Bush* is going to take a page from Musharrif's playbook?
It wouldn't surprise me if the timing of an attack on Iran afforded him that opportunity. The question is, will Americans stand for it if he does?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 10:25 PM
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2. DC? Yes. Crawford? Well, Laura just might! The US? Paraguay calls... nt
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 10:28 PM
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3. Well I think that you have already answered your own question actually....
"Will Bush leave in Jan 2009"... I honestly don't think that is in "Their" cards..... If it were don't you think that they would be sweating big time? They know full well the laws that they have broken and the lives that they have lost to there illegalities ... So, how can they leave in all honesty? It's not possible unless they have somewhere else to go that they feel might exempt them from prosecution.... Paraguay you say... Maybe....
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 10:30 PM
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5. You know this is a very serious qustion
and I find that many folks are not even willing to consider it

Never mind the system is completely and utterly broken
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 10:47 PM
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17. You know damn well that I understand your question, and I know that you know...
Edited on Wed Nov-07-07 10:48 PM by LakeSamish706
that we are as VP Cheney likes to tell ya... (In the last throes of Democracy here) Oh, sorry thats not his line at all, in fact thats mine....
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:47 AM
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47. You know, I like you, but this idea you have that you are wise and we're all stupid is inane
MAYBE the person who can't see things correctly is you. Have you considered that? And let me
guess, you're a teacher, aren't you?

The way I keep myself honest is by constantly questioning my own "correctness" about everything.
Having a firm grasp of my own limitless potential for self-deception and willful ignorance keeps me from sounding more stupid than I already do at times.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:53 AM
Response to Reply #47
49. I'm asking a very serious question
that is all

And given reasons why I beleive this is well within the realm of possibility
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:46 AM
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51. And I'm asking you a very serious question
Are you a teacher? Do you consider yourself one?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 10:29 PM
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4. I doubt it.
Amerika ist das Vierte Reich jetz.



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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 11:32 AM
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73. Ganz richtig.
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 11:33 AM by kineneb
Sollen wir jetzt "Heil *" ueben?
:puke:

(Nein. Ich werde das niemals sagen.)
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 10:31 PM
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6. So, is anyone going to do anything about this? I say that we do and we...
better damn well formulate a plan "NOW"... Anyone into this?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 10:34 PM
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9. Well part of that pushback LEGALLY is impeachment
go talk to Pelosi
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 10:58 PM
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23. So as I understand what you are saying... Most if not all should be voting for...
Dennis Kucinich then! Oh, and by the way he is my candidate big time... So there you have it then...
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 10:34 PM
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7. My gut feeling tells me Bush will be gone before
2009, but that his minions will still be very much in power and even more dangerous. I hope I'm wrong and just being paranoid.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 11:19 AM
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63. Bush was nothing more than a puppet anyway..
I'm very troubled by the fact that the Bush family seems to have their claws in every top-tier repub Presidential campaign. They will exert their influence from the shadows for the coming years.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 10:34 PM
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8. Yes, he will leave in 2009.
All they want to do is run out the clock, count their ill gotten money and hit the lecture circuit. This talk of coups and Blackwater enforced martial law (a logistical impossibility) is completely ridiculous.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 10:35 PM
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10. You don't need that many people to enforce a coup
and as I said, Frank said it is possible, based on HIS personality
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 10:53 PM
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18. I don't care who said it, it's not going to happen.
The same way the Freepers said all this shit about Clinton and it didn't happen, so it will be with Chimpy. It's a ludicrous supposition.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 10:57 PM
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22. Except Clinton NEVER made jokes about it
the last that Bush made was regarding Putin staying on... and Bush "jocking" that he may look into it..

Or his popular about this woudl be much easier if this was a dictartorship

Show me any similar statements by Clinton or ANY OTHER US PRESIDENT, hell even Nixon.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:51 PM
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38. So what?
If you want to believe in this nonsense then that's on you. I'm just trying to tell you that you are worrying needlessly over it. He's leaving in 2009 to count his ill-gotten cash and do the lecture circuit.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:01 AM
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42. So the fact that he has set up all the tools in place to do it
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 12:01 AM by nadinbrzezinski
and joked about this... with no precedent in US History matters not?

Got it.

Have you read Naomi Wolf's book?

I'm serious you should?

The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:39 AM
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46. Nope. None of that matters.
He's not going to do it, it's not going to happen. It's a bunch of paranoid nonsense. I'll bet my house and life's savings on it.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:48 AM
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48. I see
I wish I could be as possitive as you are

By the way when I stated three years ago that every email and phone was listened to was also paranoid nonsense

Today we know better...

So I guess I am paranoid
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:25 AM
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52. I just don't think that Chimp will remain in office after 2009.
I can't see it happening. It seems to me that no matter who gets in this next time around will only continue the same things that the people that really hold the power want, regardless of party. They don't need Bush to stay in "power" when they can just get the next person to do the same things. It really is just a matter of how fast it goes. The Democrat will continue it but on a smaller scale and stretched out period of time. The Republican will keep going balls out the way these guys have been doing it and maybe several election cycles from now we will be at the point that you most fear and people will be conditioned to accept it. But as for right now I can't see them causing that kind of major uproar when it's so much easier to do it long term. I seriously doubt Bush is the guy they would want to be fronting as the permanent leader. He'll make way for his successor without a fuss.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 06:16 AM
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53. You probably ARE betting them on it.
Here's hoping you're right.

I wonder if you are.

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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 10:38 PM
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11. Dr. Frank needs to get out there more perhaps on Keith Olbermann
to discuss *'s mental state. Also Dennis mentioned *'s mental state, but as a people are we going to let this one man take everyone down.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:01 AM
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43. actually, I think someone needs to check Dr. Frank's mental state
cause his idea that chimpy isn't leaving in 2009 is bat-shit crazy.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:54 AM
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50. So was the they're listening to every call
and recording every email

That was bat shit crazy too.

This is the problem... frogs and slowly heating up water comes to mind
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 11:20 AM
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64. Bush didn't think any of that up though..
he's just the figurehead in all of this, they can easily prop someone else up there.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 10:38 PM
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12. Expect anything and everything in the next 14 months.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 10:39 PM
Response to Reply #12
13. Keith called it the longest year in our lives
and he is onto sometthing

But yes, Dr Frank should hit the shows... but will the shows have him?
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Ivan Sputnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 10:42 PM
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14. He's way too lazy
to want to be president for life. What he is doing (in my opinion) is setting things up so that the next president will have a very difficult, if not impossible, time trying to undo everything he's done.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 10:43 PM
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15. I posted this a while back
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 10:55 PM
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20. Well listening to Frank firmed my fears
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 11:26 AM
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70. I like Dr. Frank..
but he's a psychologist, not a politician or a historian, and he's basing his diagnoses on what he observes from Bush's public appearances. I think he's right about a lot of things, but not this.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 10:46 PM
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16. yes, after spending these last several years setting up his retirement, there is much more money...
to be made for him in the private sector, as for what drives him search here http://hnn.us/articles/7106.html and here http://awakeninthedream.com/html among others to be sure
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 10:55 PM
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19. I think Bush would leave tomorrow ...
... if he had the chance. The 'fun' went out of this gig a long time ago.

He wants to go somewhere he can drink all night, snort a little treat here and there, without someone saying, "You can't DO that, sir."

He's never stuck with a job in his life - he hasn't changed. The pattern is there: fuck up, collect the paycheck, and leave.

You think we're counting the days until this Idiot goes bye-bye? I guarantee you he's got a wall-sized calendar, counting off the days with a big, fat, red crayola.
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CorpGovActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 10:57 PM
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21. I Suspect You're Spot on the Money...
... this sort of stuff appeared around Y2K, regarding Clinton/Gore using it as a pretext to extend their terms.

- Dave
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 10:59 PM
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24. And I will repeat this
show me any statement made by Clinton, or ANY other US President about staying beyond his term.

George has made jokes about this... and jokes in his case are more like freudian slips
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:01 PM
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25. Yep, he is looking more and more like Thompson looks on the stump
It was great being out on the Aircraft Carrier with the "Mission Accomplished" banner, but since then the game is no longer fun.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:14 PM
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30. Exactly.
He was in into it, as long as the hand-picked crowds cheered and his minions could convince him that those approval numbers were going to start coming back up any day now.

Nowadays? Not so much. And he can't NOT know that his own party's candidates are distancing themselves from his 'accomplishments' at every opportunity.

"This isn't fun anymore, Poppy. Do somethin' - get me OUTTA HERE!"

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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:57 PM
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40. Now days he knows he has been rejected and so he has become an abusive father
to the country. Thats what men do when they are rejected. Their self-esteem is so low and they are so angry they then have to push there power around and abuse everyone who has rejected them. Nothing like an abusive ex-drunk with low-self esteem and a low IQ running the country. It leads to taking health care away from even children!

God help us!
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #40
45. As much as I hate to admit it ...
... I think you're exactly right.

God help us all.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 11:28 AM
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71. He'll go to his grave NEVER admitting a mistake...
all of this will end up being somebody else's fault, probably his political enemies' if I had to guess.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #25
35. Republican Action Figures --
inspiring, to say the least!

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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:59 PM
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41. That cartoon is spot on with Thompson. nt
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:14 PM
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29. I agree.
This is too much hard work for the puppet.

They'll put another puppet in the White House & at some level, the puppet master, Cheney or one of his neo-con minions, will be pulling the strings behind the scenes. In spite of his chest thumping, Bush is tired of this game & just wants to get on the lecture circuit to fill the 'ole coffers. Easy work for good money & his audiences will probably be screened as closely as they are now.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:17 PM
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32. Yeah, he's probably already approving the mock-ups ...
... for his lecture series posters: "Putting Food on Your Family, Heh, Heh"!

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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 06:27 AM
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54. Nope, they are gearing up to put a DINO in the presidency.
Everyone will think, at least for a while anyway, that things will get back to normal. Think Nancy when she was made Speaker. Really, what has she done to right the wrongs? Not much.
Hillery is no liberal. She is being pushed from all over the political spectrum. She is known to be even further to the right of center than Bill is. Hillery will be the place holder for the status quo till 2012. Then it starts again. Gearing up for the next war for fun and profit.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:52 AM
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57. I didn't say from which side of the isle the puppet would come.
I agree with your assessment of HRC. And if she wins the nom & then the presidency, they will put the whole election fraud issue to once & for all. They will tell us that not only did a dem win, but a woman as well, so you see there is no election fraud. And the millions of Americans, who are ignorant of the issue to begin with, will rest easy, confident that their votes were counted & counted correctly.

And in 2012 they will blame the entire 8 years of the bush disaster on the dem president & another bush will be put into the White House. And if that dem president is HRC, we will not see another woman in the office for decades.

Well, that's what my crystal ball shows, anyway. ;)

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dicknbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:22 PM
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34. Exactlly right which puts us all in jeapordy because he doesn't give a shit!
scarry indeed!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:54 PM
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39. Which is the point Frank made
part of a very sick personality...

that is why staying is in the realm of possibitly, after all how can he continue his enjoyment of death and destruction?

he also spoke of how the malapropisms reveal the real intents many a times
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 11:03 AM
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60. Precisely, Nance.
I think you can see that he wants out and evidently in some interviews he's talked about how much he looks forward to being in Texas, blah, blah, blah. I look at the OP as just a variation on "terra, terra, terra".
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 11:18 AM
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62. Yep, he's counting the days, as we are...
he'll let the lawyers figure out the rest once he's gone, as he's always done.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:02 PM
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26. If he feels he will be charged with war crimes after he leaves office, he
may try to stay on the job in an attempt to stay out of prison.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:03 PM
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27. That is the scenario that I think will play out
especially now... rumors of impeachment and all (which we need to go on with regardless of the risk)
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:10 PM
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28. I don't think he will stay, but I could be wrong.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:17 PM
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31. Oh trust me, I hope to be wrong
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:02 AM
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44. don't worry. you will be.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:34 AM
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56. He has only the 22-24% support which coincides with the estimated
number of authoritarians in the US. Even with such low support he acts as though he is universally loved. His support won't go lower if he did something like refusing to stand down. He's made his career by bullying, so maybe he believes he can bully us into allowing him to stay in office.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 11:22 AM
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65. No, I don't think so..
not if you look at his history. He's very used to just walking away and letting somebody else clean up and cover up after him. I'm sure it doesn't even cross his mind.
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dicknbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:20 PM
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33. I believe that Bush can't wait to get out of the WHITE HOUSE...
Once again Bush the Lesser has screwed the pooch so to speak and just as he failed in the Air National Guard, In drilling for oil in running a Baseball team and his tenure as Governor (He didn't really screw up the Governorship because he never really intended to stay there so he let otherws do his work except for killing people of course...So now we are at the end of this disaster and I promise you that Bush would give anything to get of this train. He hates what has happened he knows that he is an unmittigated failure and that this country will be lucky to survive with some sense of integrity once he is gone. We just must endure a few more months of this crap thanks to Immpeachment is off the table Pelosi and Hoyer. I really don't listen to anythign the idiot says anymore he is just a hollow shel off a politician who has no respect except from idiots who would do anything this goof ball says.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #33
61. I agree with you..
I don't think he really wanted it in 2004. He wants to go back to his do-nothing days of running corporations into the ground.
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Cobalt-60 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:32 PM
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36. Yes: One way or another
Pitchfork on standby.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 11:36 PM
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37. I like the attitude, but we need to plan for the former and hope for the latter
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 07:10 AM
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55. I think the walls are closing in he's gone. The main thing to do is keep pressure on. GO CODE PINK!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:57 AM
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58. LOL!
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 10:57 AM by cali
you're starting to recycle your apocalyptic scenarios. You've done this one before.

No, and I don't even think he has any desire to stay. And he knows damn weil, unfortunately, that nobody's going to go after him when he leaves office.
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 11:24 AM
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67. You have to wonder, at what point does this just become fear-mongering?
:shrug:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 11:26 AM
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69. it is fear mongering. it's been fear mongering for some time
it's drama. and the OP is a drama queen.
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 11:30 AM
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72. Hmm...
I hadn't considered the 'drama' angle. That makes sense.


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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:57 AM
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59. He can check out, but he can never leave because
the world will remind him of his filthy, rotten legacy and hopefully he and his family live for a long, long, long time to witness it.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 11:23 AM
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66. If he doesn't, then the GOP is history...
I guess that would be the silver lining wouldn't it? ;)

I honestly don't think he'll stay. Bushco will operate from the shadows for a while until Jebby gets a foot hold in politics again.

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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 11:24 AM
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68. Yes.
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