The Primary Reason bush and cheney Have Not Been Impeached

[cali]

I'm convinced this is true: It's because Clinton was. It's as if the repukes got a glimpse into the future and decided to put a spoke in the works by impeaching Clinton. It worked like an immunization shot, and innoculated bushco. Stupid, criminal and deranged as is, bush is a freakin' lucky SOB.

[bryant69]

1. That's plausible.

I don't know if they planned it; I rather think they didn't. But they are certainly exploiting it.

Bryant
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[mdmc]

2. Clintons impeachment backfired

so bush is safe to commit crimes?

[AllegroRondo]

4. It made any impeachment attempt by Dems look like political retaliation

[cali]

7. Well, it did and didn't misfire.

I'm not sure the pukes see it your way. It tarnished Clinton, although he remained popular, and it made Congress wary of impeachment procedings at the same time. I think the dems are afraid they'll look like they're seeking revenge for Clinton.

[mdmc]

22. well, that is a problem my friend

I didn't see Bigdog give up on anything that he cared about (well, except for health care reform, but he gave that up real early in his first term) due to impeachment.

Impeachment of Clinton was probably the only thing that helped the Dems in congress.

Chimpeachment is only for revenge, unless Bush has committed high crimes. I think it is obvious that he has committed these crimes and mush be held accountable.

The truth is that corporations don't mind the crimes Bush has committed. Since big business don't mind, the Dems don't mind.

[King Coal]

12. Plausible? Plausible? LOL!

:rofl: Now let me think. What object of plausibility can be compared to the OP's supposition? What set of presumptive convictions leading to conjecture do we use to calibrate the plausibility of parallel conclusions? Oh, yeah. LOL!

:rofl:

[The_Casual_Observer]

3. They know that he would just do a signing statement that pardoned

himself & the whole thing would end up at the scotus.

[Fridays Child]

10. And laid the foundation for introducing the meme of scandal fatigue.

The corporate media have explained to Americans that we are just too tired to go through it again. And, obedient little sponges that we are, we nod in assent and wait for our next Britney update.

[MotorCityMan]

23. Kind of like during like the 2000 election fiasco

The so-called media were screaming "Constitutional crisis!" and that people were DEMANDING a quick resolution to the farce in Florida.

Of course, the majority of the people polled wanted a fair resolution to the election, however long it took, NOT a quick one.

Too many people believe everything they see on tv. Like that stupid diet pill commercial; "..and we couldn't say it on tv if it wasn't true.."
My jaw literally dropped open at that. Obviously the diet pill advertisers never heard of Faux News, or anyone who has anything to do with *.

I think Cali's original post is a valid point. I think the major cause of "scandal fatigue" from Clinton's impeachment, though, was brought on by the bullshit reason he was impeached for. Most reasonable people realized this was a personal matter, not a high crime. Also, seeing the looooooooonnnnnngg
parade of rethug hypocrites, working their good ole' "Do as I say, not as I do" magic.

If Congress does their duty and impeaches the criminals in office, I think the impeachment proceedings would open a lot of people's eyes to what REAL impeachable offenses are. Excepting the 23% who'll never see * as anything as the second son of God.

[Virginia Dare]

26. I think people realize how corrupt Bush is..

I just don't think they would give the Democrats any credit for trying to do anything about it. I was looking at some poll numbers this morning. It appears that most people think that the Department of Justice fired those attorneys for political reasons, but yet, they fault the Democrats for investigating it, saying it was politically motivated...:wtf:

[Fridays Child]

33. This country needs to take Impeachment 101, and impeaching Bush and Cheney...

...would make perfect object lessons.

[King Coal]

5. It doesn't take much to convince you these days, Cali.

How naive.

[cali]

9. well, c'mon, tell me why that's naive

don't just toss out an assertion without an argument.

[King Coal]

15. Cali, are you being bossy again?

A silly conclusion like that doesn't need an assertion, it goes without saying. The part that makes it so naive is that you begin your post with boasting with "I know why..........", and then you continue with the result of a thought process that is from such an elementary level. Well, it is kind of cute, but naive, and silly. Don't you think so? Now that you look back at it, are you sticking with it?

[plcdude]

6. My take is that too many

congress creatures from both parties have been bought by special interests groups that protect this administration so that they can continue to make huge profits.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

8. I wouldn't go that far.

But I would say that they remember the experience the Republicans had in impeaching and then failing to convict Clinton, and how it did create serious problems for the Republicans.

[tularetom]

11. I agree that's a big part of it

But you always have to factor in the basic spinelessness of the Democratic congressional leadership. I'm really not sure what they are most scared of - appearing overly aggressive or looking like a bunch of scared wusses.

Doesn't matter - by not acting they answer the question. Scared wusses it is.

[TwilightGardener]

13. Yep--after Clinton, we just don't have the collective national will

to go through it again, even though I think most normal Americans suspect there is good reason to impeach Chimpy/Cheney. It's like the Iraq War--we're all just fucking waiting for the nightmare to end next year.

[Virginia Dare]

27. I agree, I think most Americans, DU not withstanding,..

are willing to just sit it out with Bush as the lame duck. It's a disaster, but most people just aren't willing to see them put the bullet into the head and end our misery.

[MrCoffee]

14. i have a simpler explanation

impeachment would require that Congressional leadership actually step up to the plate and lead the Democrats in both the House and Senate. In order for impeachment to work, Congressional Democrats (primarily in the Senate, but House Dems as well) must line up behind the leadership. It's a "No Congressperson Left Behind" situation. That's not going to happen with the current leadership in place.

Pelosi is now far too invested in her 2006 campaign strategy of taking impeachment off the table to reverse course now. She has no credibility leading an impeachment campaign in the House. Even if he did get Articles sent to him, Harry Reid would have no idea what do to with them, and he's less likely to control Senate Democrats than Pelosi is with the House.

Our current Congressional leadership is not only incompetent with respect to the discipline necessary to conduct and impeachment proceeding, but Pelosi is actively opposed, because of her 2006 election strategy.

Impeachment is not going to happen with the current leadership.

[PATRICK]

19. This type of leadership

started before the Clinton impeachment and made it possible and all regressive surrenders and compromises that are still ongoing, some wildly accelerating even as they like to think they are digging in their heels and finally coming into their own. It come perhaps down to the "almost" impeachment of nixon when after a modest one term presidency it ALL went downhill from there. Almost everything you decry began and got worse in those days in steady progression and almost always for the worse.

The people have been assaulted in worse and worse degrading fashion all along the way and have on the contrary instinctively, mutely resisted the BS of it all and do have the national will. they lack the national leadership and the government representation more and more even as awareness grows. In the real world the entire nation is losing its economic and system power to maintain the failures at the top, dis-empowering the people de facto where lies do not suffice.

The insanity follows a momentum of downward spiraling national leadership at least half fascist and bereft with fraud and dereliction of duty(at best).

Sadly, they themselves use the Clinton impeachment as an excuse, the Vietnam loss as an excuse, the failure of presidential nominations as an excuse, for an entire history of fear, surrender and corporate co-option. Only the GOP has used impeachment as a tool and both times as a blatant political coup ploy. Either strip it from the Constitution or make it MORE routine. At least they could actually get rid of the trash instead of hoping the Larry Craig's will resign out of a sense of minimal decency. The crime is the problem. The solution is not the problem.

[Junkdrawer]

16. Just as the "Vince Foster's Murder" made all political assassinations "ridiculous"...

Yep..

[H2O Man]

17. There is some truth

to that. What happened to Clinton was an almost purely political action, and tainted the public's perception of the Constitutional process. We even see people on this forum who mistakenly parrot republican misinformation about "impeachment is a political, not legal, process."

[merh]

31. Well gee, H2O, don't you know

if you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes a truth.

Congress is cowardly, allowing politics to interfere with their duty to the citizens and the constitution.

What Kucinich said on CBS was correct, we need him to fight for our Democracy and we need to rest of congress to realize what their roles are and their duties to the citizens.

:hi:

[H2O Man]

32. Hello, my Friend!

These people are supposed to cease to be mere politicians the moment that they take that oath of office -- in which they swear to honor and protect the Constitution -- and take seriously the role of being a member of Congress. What we are witness to in the past year is too often the exact opposite.

[book_worm]

18. It backfired when the GOP tried to impeach Clinton, now the Dems are too afraid to do it when

somebody really deserves to be impeached.

[madokie]

20. I believe that is somewhat the reason if not all of the reason

they sure started after clinton from the get go like they had an agenda more than just impeaching him for sure

[Orsino]

21. Yeah. Impeachment was forever cheapened.

Doesn't change Congress' present duty, but I can understand the distaste it provokes.

[Virginia Dare]

24. I honestly believe that's part of it too..

it would be viewed as political maneuvering by most Americans, and the media would slam the Democrats for it, underminding any potential support.

[Perry Logan]

25. What's wrong with "not enough votes"?

[stirlingsliver]

28. Apples and Oranges

The trumped-up impeachment of Clinton was pure politics. He had done nothing impeachable.

Bush's whole maladministration, on the other hand, is one impeachable offense after another.

The non-impeachment of Bush is purely a political decision.

Bush and Cheney should both be impeached.

WE know that.

I suppose it really is too much to expect politicians to do the right thing.

[Virginia Dare]

29. The republicans made a political decision to impeach Clinton..

now the Democrats make a political decision not to impeach. Perhaps, as you say, people expect too much of politicians.

[stirlingsliver]

30. Exactly Right!

The Democrats' decision to take impeachment "off the table" is pure politics.

I thought we voted in 2006 for a change in the way politics is done in DC.

It looks like it is up to the grass roots to demand that our politicians do the right thing.