New Dem talking point. If Dems don't vote the money * wants, he's gonna leave troops there without

[OregonBlue]

bullets and vests? That's traitorous.

[aquart]

1. That's murder.

[OregonBlue]

4. Yes and EVERY Dem should be pointing it out. Screaming it from every rooftop.

If Mr. Pissy Pants doesn't get his way he'll leave them there to die.

[aquart]

32. Well, I'd adjust the Pissy Pants but otherwise, right into the Congressional Record.

Every Dem should say it before going on to other things every damn day.

[cascadiance]

25. And it would be BUSH that's responsible for that murder, NOT the congress!

[ulysses]

2. even if the threat was made, this is when you call the bluff.

This is elementary stuff.

[OzarkDem]

3. Its time to call him out on his threats

A little effort by Congressional Dems could take this argument away from him. Do a little research, educate the public about how Bush is wasting money in Iraq and call him out.

[polichick]

6. True, and it would help to choose a strong spokesperson...

Someone who is terrific with words and won't flinch at whatever rot the Reps toss out ~ someone with the skills of Mario Cuomo.

[OregonBlue]

14. Actually Jim Webb has called him on it. Why haven't the other Dems?

[polichick]

16. imo they're either a bunch of chickenshit fools...

...or they're closet Republicans. Either way, the American people are screwed.

[OregonBlue]

17. Agreed. We are so screwn! But they could turn this back on him if they wanted.

[OzarkDem]

22. For all the talk of being "united" they are not

they only seem to support each other on a few issues that are easy to sell to the public, like SCHIP.

[OzarkDem]

21. He would be good

might be a good idea to have a standard bearer who isn't in Congress, since our leadership there is so frightened of speaking out on controversial issues.

Speaking out and selling policy on controversial issues requires great skill and strength.

[polichick]

24. I heard him on some political show recently...

He expresses himself with power and elegance, and pulls no punches - DC Dems would be smart to get him on the job, IF (and it's a big if at this point) they truly want to fight Bush on this stuff.

[OregonBlue]

7. How much is going to support the troops and how much is going into private bank accounts in

Switzerland, Dubai and the Bahamas?

[EFerrari]

5. What utter cr@p!

Is this a Dem talking point? :wtf:

[OregonBlue]

10. He's said it repeatedly. The Dems need to vote the money he needs because they have to support the

troops. He is saying if he doesn't get the money they won't have what they need? Won't he be forced to bring them home or leave them unprotected? He can't have it both ways.

[EFerrari]

13. So "he" is Bush? That would make it a BushCo talking point

not a Dem talking point. Is that right?

[EFerrari]

15. Oh -- I get it now. The Dems are turning Junior's talking point back on him.

That's a good move. :thumbsup:

[niyad]

8. is there a link to this statement? or is this extrapolation?

[OregonBlue]

12. He has said repeatedly that they need the money for ammunition, etc. So if he doesn't get it, is he

saying he'll just leave them there? Webb is the only one I've heard ask the question.

[John Q. Citizen]

9. The Dems have said that since they took over congress. So they use it as an

excuse to pay off bush to hold our troops hostage.

With impeachment off the table,.....

[JVS]

11. Oh sure!

[polichick]

18. At this point we have ZERO leadership...

If the party was functional (and not chock full of faux Dems) it would take one brilliant spokesperson one pointed speech to call Bush's bullshit exactly what it is in terms that would leave nobody but Bush apologists confused. This is beyond pitiful!

[tekisui]

19. The next chunk of money will fund an Iranian Bombing Campaign.

[polichick]

29. Yep...and if we know that, don't our Congresspeople know it too?? nt

[libodem]

20. Pukes sure have a way of framing the debate

and we can't think our way, out of the box, we get cornered in. We need to borrow some of that righteous indignation, Pukes are so famous for, look down our collective noses, and condemn them with a decent, patronizing, browbeating. I'm so sick of the sanctimonious, I'm the parent, you are the child, treatment around there. Let's insist Congress, grow up and start behaving like adults. Or I'm gonna go tell my Mom, on 'em. I wonder where that web page went with all the framing structures and how the couching of the language makes advantages in the argument? We need better words and ideas. They trump us every time with rhetoric, diatribe and bluster. Can't we please just grow one ball? Signed, Sick of being on the Underdog Team all the time. BTW where are our million dollar think-tanks in DC? We better get, A Project for the Next New American Century, or there won't be one!!!!!!!!!!!!

[polichick]

28. You need a great speaker like Mario Cuomo AND collective will...

We have neither right now ~ so they'll keep on framing the debate anyway they want it. So sad, when you consider how many really bright people are members of the Democratic party.

[supernova]

23. Which he probably would do

the little fucker. I wouldn't put it passed him at all.

[Voltaire99]

26. Oh, poor babies. Big bad Bush made them support the war AGAIN, eh?

When you wail that you're being outfoxed by someone like George W. Bush, you really do deserve your abysmal public approval rating for Congress.

The bottom line: these wimps are for the war, always have been for the war.

Who's more guilty over Iraq? Bush the dim-witted peacock merely struts for the camera and reads what's handed to him, fulfilling his symbolic role for plutocrats. These worthless Dems actually keep the bloody mess going by paying for it!

[NNN0LHI]

27. He has already killed thousands of them for political gain

You don't think those coffins coming back daily prove he would do this?

Don

[KingFlorez]

30. I believe he would do it

Which is why I don't think cutting off the funding for the war would make him pull the troops out. We all know he'd never back down that easily, so he'll do whatever insane thing possible to keep things his way.

[polichick]

31. True, as long as impeachment is off the table. nt