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I recently came across some Handspun Antique Hemp Nightgowns - I now know why Pot is illegal

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I recently came across some Handspun Antique Hemp Nightgowns - I now know why Pot is illegal
Edited on Sat Oct-27-07 04:01 PM by debbierlus
My fiancee deals in antiques & I help him on the side. I went to an estate sale & purchased a bunch of handspun cloth nightgowns from the 1820s/30s era. The woman at the sale was telling me about the process of how the woman made the cloth from hemp & showing me the beautiful tiny details of their work.

There was not a hole in ANY of the fifteen I purchased. They were thick & sturdy. I brought them home & gently washed them with some oxyclean & put a little fabric softner in with them. They came out white & beautiful.

I was awe-struck. I have always known, intectually, that hemp was suppossed to make great clothing & it has a million & one other uses as well. But, it wasn't until I put my hands on these nearly 200 YEAR OLD pieces of fabric that I realized why industry would want to fight this plant. It lasts, if not forever, then for a couple of life-times or more. How on earth would they be able to generate profit, if we weren't wearing holes in our Chinese factory made clothing every two weeks? And, of course, this is a plant that anyone could grow, it is a WEED. If it was used as fuel source (as I was told it would be a excellent use for...), how would they ever profiteer once the average person figured out how to make hemp oil, or each local community had a grower who would supply the fuel. Where would the oil billionaires be?

It is absolutely CRIMINAl that this plant is illegal. How DARE they take away such a valuable resource that could provide such benefit for people & the earth, at a low cost?

I have always been for the full legalization of Marijuana. Now, I think I will be more then for it, I will become a advocate & activist. And, I am going to start carrying one of the nightgowns in my car for show & tell. I am convinced, if people saw what this would do first hand, the laws would be demanded to change.


On Edit: Here are the links to the images of one of the hemp nightgowns. One of a full shot & two close ups. Here yeah go:






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   Very interesting  tmfun   Oct-27-07 03:34 PM   #1 
   I don't have any photos right now, but I will get on it  debbierlus   Oct-27-07 03:36 PM   #4 
   Space material!  comtec   Oct-29-07 08:02 AM   #188 
   It's a mystery why growing industrial hemp is banned in this country.  Vinca   Oct-27-07 03:35 PM   #2 
   They don't care about people getting high, anyway  debbierlus   Oct-27-07 03:38 PM   #7 
   So being it's made from an illegal plant can they arrest you and  FREEWILL56   Oct-27-07 07:16 PM   #61 
      Thankfully, no.  crikkett   Oct-27-07 08:07 PM   #81 
      NO - hemp made products are allowed in the US...  axollot   Oct-28-07 12:06 AM   #118 
      I have a couple of shirts made from hemp.  IMModerate   Oct-28-07 09:43 AM   #142 
   It's because you cannot patent a plant  Greeby   Oct-27-07 03:44 PM   #12 
   Monsanto has a lot of grains patented now.  havocmom   Oct-27-07 06:17 PM   #48 
      That in and of itself is a crime against humanity, how can anyone be allowed to patent a seed?  whistle   Oct-28-07 08:12 AM   #136 
      Agribusiness story ifrom Iraq ...  flashl   Oct-28-07 10:18 AM   #148 
   it's not a mystery - Ford & the new oil barons stopped it  donsu   Oct-28-07 10:35 AM   #151 
      Also, Hearst had something to do with it!  Duval   Oct-28-07 11:27 AM   #156 
         yes, true  donsu   Oct-28-07 12:26 PM   #160 
   Hemp hemp hooray!!!  citizen_jane   Oct-27-07 03:36 PM   #3 
   Give me a HIGH 5.  FREEWILL56   Oct-27-07 07:11 PM   #58 
   I've always pictured the canvass- like hemp fabrics I've seen  hlthe2b   Oct-27-07 03:36 PM   #5 
   They aren't quite as soft as cotton, but they aren't stiff at all  debbierlus   Oct-27-07 03:42 PM   #11 
   cool... I'll look for it  hlthe2b   Oct-27-07 03:46 PM   #13 
   Fabric softness of plant fibers  venuspluto   Oct-28-07 11:08 AM   #153 
      Welcome to DU!  eppur_se_muova   Oct-28-07 03:59 PM   #176 
   Hemp fabrics are wonderful.  silverweb   Oct-27-07 03:56 PM   #19 
      Thanks for the links, silverweb, and your comments.  Judi Lynn   Oct-27-07 05:41 PM   #39 
      You're welcome!  silverweb   Oct-27-07 08:03 PM   #76 
      Thanks for those links!  kimmylavin   Oct-27-07 05:44 PM   #42 
      You're very welcome!  silverweb   Oct-27-07 08:04 PM   #78 
      Thanks for the links!!!!  wovenpaint   Oct-27-07 08:39 PM   #85 
      You're most welcome.  silverweb   Oct-27-07 10:34 PM   #105 
      thanks  shanti   Oct-28-07 12:12 AM   #120 
      You sure are lucky.  silverweb   Oct-28-07 12:47 AM   #127 
      Thanks for these links  venuspluto   Oct-28-07 11:20 AM   #155 
   Are they haunted?  smoogatz   Oct-27-07 03:37 PM   #6 
   I don't know, & living in a 140 year old house across from a cemetary...  debbierlus   Oct-27-07 03:39 PM   #8 
      Wow.  smoogatz   Oct-27-07 03:40 PM   #10 
      As an old house nut...  hootinholler   Oct-27-07 04:05 PM   #22 
         Old houses  venuspluto   Oct-28-07 11:16 AM   #154 
   that's exactly why they made it illegal - Dupont and Dow can hold much of the blame  mark414   Oct-27-07 03:40 PM   #9 
   A really good history of that  dougolat   Oct-28-07 10:57 PM   #181 
   Kicked and Recomended. I was just saying that in this thread.  Bonobo   Oct-27-07 03:47 PM   #14 
   I hope you are  Mojorabbit   Oct-27-07 03:48 PM   #15 
   We need to outlaw ALL campaign contributions and go to sensible public financing NOW. It'll end all  williesgirl   Oct-27-07 03:50 PM   #16 
   Exactly right. K&R.  dickbearton   Oct-27-07 06:20 PM   #49 
   You don't mean the free market do you?  tmfun   Oct-27-07 11:03 PM   #109 
   We musn't forget the timber industry - they don't like hemp  spacelady   Oct-27-07 03:54 PM   #17 
   Outlawing hemp is un-American  IDemo   Oct-27-07 03:56 PM   #18 
   The Declaration of Independence was printed on hemp paper.  hobbit709   Oct-27-07 07:25 PM   #64 
   I have a bunch of hemp shirts  sailor65   Oct-27-07 03:58 PM   #20 
   Where do you get them?  silverweb   Oct-27-07 04:16 PM   #24 
      Lately,  sailor65   Oct-27-07 05:04 PM   #34 
      Fantastic!  silverweb   Oct-27-07 08:05 PM   #79 
         I hope yours still has some  sailor65   Oct-27-07 10:13 PM   #101 
            It'll be okay.  silverweb   Oct-27-07 10:23 PM   #103 
      The operative words being "reasonably priced".  impeachdubya   Oct-27-07 05:41 PM   #38 
         Thanks for the link!  silverweb   Oct-27-07 08:13 PM   #82 
   Okay, everyone, I put up the images in the original post for those who were curious to see  debbierlus   Oct-27-07 04:03 PM   #21 
   K&R One the most insightful posts I've ever read on DU.  Rosemary2205   Oct-27-07 04:13 PM   #23 
   I am with you  The Straight Story   Oct-27-07 04:16 PM   #25 
   That's very cool - thanks for the pics & info!  InvisibleTouch   Oct-27-07 04:17 PM   #26 
   So, since hemp clothes last forever,this could threaten the garment industry?  rabies1   Oct-28-07 10:08 AM   #147 
      Why, yes...  gtar100   Oct-28-07 02:12 PM   #173 
   Great find!  SecularMotion   Oct-27-07 04:20 PM   #27 
   Bingo!  MN Against Bush   Oct-27-07 04:24 PM   #28 
   They are great!  Kajsa   Oct-27-07 04:25 PM   #29 
   Those are beautiful. I've tried spinning hemp  Warpy   Oct-27-07 04:25 PM   #30 
   Exactly!  NoGodsNoMasters   Oct-28-07 01:19 AM   #130 
   Two technological developments sealed hemp's fate  venuspluto   Oct-28-07 01:25 PM   #167 
   Great Post! FYI, Hemp WAS Originally Made Illegal Because of the WOOD PULP INDUSTRY  Beetwasher   Oct-27-07 04:28 PM   #31 
   And the reason they said "marijuana" was to pull on racism  Chulanowa   Oct-27-07 08:40 PM   #86 
   Hemp and Marijuana are NOT the same thing:  Lorien   Oct-27-07 08:55 PM   #88 
   But They Were BOTH Made Illegal  Beetwasher   Oct-27-07 09:42 PM   #95 
      Yes, I am quite aware of that  Lorien   Oct-27-07 10:07 PM   #98 
         Sure I Did  Beetwasher   Oct-27-07 10:10 PM   #100 
   William Randolph Hearst owned a lot of timber as well as his papers that  diane in sf   Oct-27-07 08:55 PM   #89 
   Kicked and recommended.  Uncle Joe   Oct-27-07 04:34 PM   #32 
   During WWII here  catmandu57   Oct-27-07 05:02 PM   #33 
      same here where i live  madrchsod   Oct-27-07 06:02 PM   #45 
         Thats it  catmandu57   Oct-28-07 11:33 AM   #157 
   The first diesel engine was designed to run on hemp oil  downindixie   Oct-27-07 05:30 PM   #35 
   Actually, I believe it was peanut oil ... but it was sure as hell BIOdiesel!  eppur_se_muova   Oct-27-07 10:48 PM   #106 
   That's called "no repeat business" . . . on ALL fronts.  HughBeaumont   Oct-27-07 05:32 PM   #36 
   Well, we could always blow things up when big bidness needs an influx  bluerum   Oct-27-07 06:09 PM   #47 
   That's the Neo-Con Creed:  HughBeaumont   Oct-27-07 08:58 PM   #90 
   It's "The Man in the White Suit" ... for REAL!  eppur_se_muova   Oct-27-07 11:02 PM   #108 
   I've got some hemp shirts. They last FOREVER.  impeachdubya   Oct-27-07 05:39 PM   #37 
   Sadly, it won't be.  HughBeaumont   Oct-27-07 05:45 PM   #43 
   Great post!  Window   Oct-27-07 05:41 PM   #40 
   I make soap with hemp oil...  Neecy   Oct-27-07 05:42 PM   #41 
   Ooh, I'll bet that's great soap.  knitter4democracy   Oct-27-07 07:50 PM   #71 
   I make lotions with it!  Psst_Im_Not_Here   Oct-27-07 10:59 PM   #107 
   So post a link! I think you could sell some here  tmfun   Oct-27-07 11:20 PM   #112 
      okay...  Neecy   Oct-28-07 12:39 AM   #126 
   Wow.  kimmylavin   Oct-27-07 05:49 PM   #44 
   It is so incredible...of course, we must give hats off to the ladies  debbierlus   Oct-27-07 06:03 PM   #46 
      Chances are, some men were involved.  knitter4democracy   Oct-27-07 07:51 PM   #72 
   Textiles, cloth, four times as much paper per acre, fuel oil, food source (seeds)...  Zhade   Oct-27-07 06:21 PM   #50 
   The industries that work  Froward69   Oct-27-07 06:22 PM   #51 
   Prison Industrial Complex.  tekisui   Oct-28-07 12:24 PM   #159 
   Beautiful!  piesRsquare   Oct-27-07 06:25 PM   #52 
   I don't believe that.  hfojvt   Oct-27-07 06:26 PM   #53 
   "we mostly buy clothing to get the latest style, to get brighter colors"  Johnny Noshoes   Oct-28-07 08:51 AM   #138 
   Hemp linen is great at shedding stains and dirt.  knitter4democracy   Oct-28-07 09:56 AM   #145 
   Another source of Hemp fabric:  formercia   Oct-27-07 06:35 PM   #54 
   Don't forget about paper.  Bright Eyes   Oct-27-07 06:35 PM   #55 
   Randolph Hurst owned a paper mill and forestland. Hemp was a threat  alfredo   Oct-27-07 07:01 PM   #57 
   Yep... the Constitution was written on Hemp paper.  Blue Belle   Oct-27-07 09:27 PM   #91 
      So, instead of legalizing hemp we'll chop down all our forests.  CrispyQGirl   Oct-28-07 12:54 PM   #164 
         pretty much....  Blue Belle   Oct-28-07 01:12 PM   #165 
   Thanks  jimnkara   Oct-27-07 06:44 PM   #56 
   Big Welcome to you, jimnkara! With the body of evidence and  spacelady   Oct-27-07 07:12 PM   #59 
      Thank you  jimnkara   Oct-27-07 07:15 PM   #60 
         I'm relatively new, too  venuspluto   Oct-28-07 01:32 PM   #169 
   With all due respect  Tab   Oct-27-07 07:18 PM   #62 
   Respectfully, it isn't the religions fundies...  SteveM   Oct-27-07 07:45 PM   #68 
      They fear Pot more than the harder drugs because, though it isn't  patrice   Oct-28-07 01:39 AM   #132 
         I bet if we told them  Tab   Oct-28-07 01:35 PM   #170 
            I'll bet you're right about that!!  patrice   Oct-28-07 01:44 PM   #171 
   Hemp versus cotton  Bennyboy   Oct-27-07 07:20 PM   #63 
   What about water? Cotton is one of the world's biggest consumers of water.  eppur_se_muova   Oct-27-07 10:17 PM   #102 
   gotta love the cotton lobby then.  pansypoo53219   Oct-27-07 11:27 PM   #113 
      HEMP can save the world!  Bennyboy   Oct-27-07 11:39 PM   #114 
         I would like to get hold of that 1948 PM article ...  eppur_se_muova   Oct-28-07 12:02 AM   #116 
            Popular Mechanics article 1938  Bennyboy   Oct-28-07 08:58 AM   #140 
               Thankee kindly! nt  eppur_se_muova   Oct-28-07 03:55 PM   #175 
   Don't blame cotton for the way modern agriculture treats it  Tumbulu   Oct-28-07 01:19 AM   #129 
      So close and yet so far.  TheMadMonk   Oct-28-07 06:11 AM   #133 
         Not quite.  knitter4democracy   Oct-28-07 09:52 AM   #144 
   Kicked and Recommended!! n/t  StephenB48   Oct-27-07 07:35 PM   #65 
   Question on the stitching.  Opposite Reaction   Oct-27-07 07:37 PM   #66 
   Not from that time period as far as I know from my research.  knitter4democracy   Oct-27-07 07:53 PM   #73 
   That's not "too uniform", it was just stitched by someone with good eyesight...  dicksteele   Oct-27-07 10:26 PM   #104 
      Amazing. I can't imagine doing that by hand!  Opposite Reaction   Oct-27-07 11:15 PM   #111 
   It looks a bit like linen....  femrap   Oct-27-07 07:37 PM   #67 
   Flax and hemp can be very hard to tell apart.  knitter4democracy   Oct-27-07 07:55 PM   #74 
      Isn't Canada now allowed to grow  femrap   Oct-28-07 08:44 PM   #177 
         They do. The hemp/wool blend yarn I like is Canadian.  knitter4democracy   Oct-28-07 10:08 PM   #179 
   Hm. My education never ends. This was concept of a hemp dress:  Buzz Clik   Oct-27-07 07:46 PM   #69 
   There's a reason why it was the first handspun fiber.  knitter4democracy   Oct-27-07 07:48 PM   #70 
   And from what I've read, one of the largest sources of pollution immediately  defendandprotect   Oct-28-07 12:31 AM   #125 
      Not true. They're still cleaning up the mess from dyes.  knitter4democracy   Oct-28-07 09:42 AM   #141 
   That is fascinating!!  Sparkly   Oct-27-07 07:56 PM   #75 
   Hemp For Victory!  gulfcoastliberal   Oct-27-07 08:04 PM   #77 
   Great find.....  Bennyboy   Oct-28-07 08:54 AM   #139 
   I eat hemp seeds everyday from the healthfood store.  rainy   Oct-27-07 08:05 PM   #80 
   Why can't you grow hemp from these hemp seeds? Are they cooked? nt  eppur_se_muova   Oct-27-07 11:04 PM   #110 
      Not cooked.  Greyskye   Oct-28-07 01:02 AM   #128 
         hey, I wonder if that's true. The package says raw.  rainy   Oct-28-07 08:36 AM   #137 
            Why is it they are afraid of the raw almonds? Too good as a cancer  glowing   Oct-28-07 10:34 AM   #150 
               Here's the story. Raw almonds caused some problems for big corporate  rainy   Oct-28-07 12:26 PM   #161 
   Wow. That's incredible.  Katherine Brengle   Oct-27-07 08:20 PM   #83 
   Yep-thank you DuPont et al  wovenpaint   Oct-27-07 08:29 PM   #84 
   good info here:  jhain   Oct-28-07 08:07 AM   #134 
   hemp oil could also be used as an alternative fuel....many reasons to suppress this plant  spanone   Oct-27-07 08:42 PM   #87 
   Thank you and share your story here also please  SHRED   Oct-27-07 09:29 PM   #92 
   Good post  Oldenuff   Oct-27-07 09:34 PM   #93 
   Yes. !!!!!!  troubleinwinter   Oct-27-07 09:38 PM   #94 
   Industrial grown hemp is the enemy of "pot"  SHRED   Oct-27-07 09:50 PM   #96 
   There's so much to learn about this almost perfect product  Catchawave   Oct-27-07 10:00 PM   #97 
   Excellent point - that's why good smoking weed cannot be grown  spacelady   Oct-28-07 12:19 AM   #122 
   absolutely. The plant you want for industial use  Capn Sunshine   Oct-28-07 12:30 AM   #124 
   Wow. This has been a very educational "thread". Ha! Pun intended!  emmadoggy   Oct-27-07 10:10 PM   #99 
   While the fabric may not change, the styles do.  Miss Chybil   Oct-27-07 11:42 PM   #115 
   It's always been about the invention of the cotton gin!  axollot   Oct-28-07 12:05 AM   #117 
   Can Hemp Impeach the bushies?  sellitman   Oct-28-07 12:11 AM   #119 
   It's also good for the ozone layer --- !!! We can't have rayon either -- !!!!  defendandprotect   Oct-28-07 12:14 AM   #121 
   Amazing!  cat_girl25   Oct-28-07 12:22 AM   #123 
   If you like handspun antique hemp nightgowns you'll love  tuckessee   Oct-28-07 01:26 AM   #131 
   That is amazing? I wonder if the cotton industry had anything to do  whistle   Oct-28-07 08:08 AM   #135 
   It wasn't the cotton industry.  troubleinwinter   Oct-28-07 09:44 AM   #143 
      Very interesting. I hadn't heard that important bit of history. This should be undone.  Nothing Without Hope   Oct-28-07 09:09 PM   #178 
   that is beautiful!  JitterbugPerfume   Oct-28-07 09:57 AM   #146 
   It's one of the many wonderful things 'they' have stolen from us....  NotGivingUp   Oct-28-07 10:23 AM   #149 
   I've worn hemp jeans for years..they "breathe"..not hot in summer  Swagman   Oct-28-07 10:42 AM   #152 
   I nominate this my favorite Post of the Year  Caretha   Oct-28-07 11:37 AM   #158 
   I'll second that!  stubtoe   Oct-28-07 12:53 PM   #163 
   Hey debbierlus, There Is Another Reason As Well...  WillyT   Oct-28-07 12:42 PM   #162 
   In fact, the cultivars that are used for hemp don't make much if any THC  Nothing Without Hope   Oct-28-07 01:25 PM   #166 
   It was once illegal not to grow hemp  IDemo   Oct-28-07 01:30 PM   #168 
   I'm quite awe struck.  Gregorian   Oct-28-07 01:49 PM   #172 
   Thanks for adding the pics  Yael   Oct-28-07 02:27 PM   #174 
   I'm wearing a hemp baseball hat right now.  Scout1071   Oct-28-07 10:55 PM   #180 
   The workmanship blows me away, The hours put into this amazing article of  OnceUponTimeOnTheNet   Oct-28-07 11:32 PM   #182 
   There was no tv, radio, phone..or even electricity..long winter days  SoCalDem   Oct-29-07 03:50 AM   #185 
   Beautiful stuff & EXCELLENT post!  Ghost in the Machine   Oct-29-07 01:32 AM   #183 
   .  Hissyspit   Oct-29-07 02:06 AM   #184 
   100,000 Views?  A-Schwarzenegger   Oct-29-07 05:42 AM   #186 
   This post is on page one of Digg.com today n/t  kdsusa   Oct-29-07 07:36 AM   #187 
   ttt  Blue_Tires   Oct-29-07 10:00 AM   #189 
   This thread is certainly getting a lot of attention.  lpbk2713   Oct-29-07 12:35 PM   #190 
 
OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 03:34 PM
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1. Very interesting
could you post a pic?
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4. I don't have any photos right now, but I will get on it

:)
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comtec Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Oct-29-07 08:02 AM
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188. Space material!
Bear with me.
Many years ago I had a thought experiment, what would be the best things to take to mars.
We are looking to colonize far away (or even on the moon) we want to take as little as possible, that is as useful as possible.
As far as I can tell, hemp would be mandatory. Both varieties (at the time I thought there was just the one variety).
You want both for their uses. Also, I learned, that Hemp produces a measure times MORE Oxygen than any other plant on the plant.
That is if we want to re-bair the lungs of our planet a good first step would be to plant a rather large amount of Hemp!
In space your ability to get advanced drugs would be very limited, especially in the beginning. If you were able to grow the basics, most of what is needed would be grown from MJ.

So between these two things, you'd also want to have a constant amount growing IN the ship, for simple air recycling - the pleasant earthy smell would be an added bonus - because as animals we need that reminder of our home world, especially in the blackness of space.
Additionally, you would want to be able to make as fertile soil as possible.

For that reason I also figured Peanuts would also be a mandatory crop - considering all that can be made form the peanut, and the fact that it replenishes soil! When you are looking to colonize multi-taskers that use as little resource as possible are necessary! And peanuts and Hemp are two vital components. Both make oil that can be used for synthetics, and fuel, etc. Additionally peanuts can be eaten, and spun in a a wide variety of foods, such as coffee. (in all honesty the first settlers will not be able to afford land to spend on Coffee beans in the beginning, and peanut coffee is realistically all they can grow).

After these and such low-impact crops like garlic, onions (sandy soil/sand are wonderful for these plants I've heard), you also would want to bring soy beans because of the amazing things you can do with Soy - not just bean curd, but oil, and the like. Soy can be made into flour, which is healthier, and as a multi tasker, uses less space in transit, etc. However i do not know how much work is required to cultivate Soy, i do know it is so useful it's probably worth it.

Rice, while healthy, uses too much man power and water. As I understand the REAL reason for the increase of slaves in the US was because of the rice fields in the south, not for picking cotton, since rice is VERY labor intensive both planting and cultivating.

A reasonable argument can be made for bringing chickens into space because of the meat/eggs yield per kilo of grain, but imho if the soy crops are done right, the protein that our bodies need for muscle growth, etc can be maintained. I think it's probably unlikely that a pure vegan diet is healthy for small children. Being omnivores denying that part of our physiology may have negative effects in the long run. This is something that should be looked into honestly, but it is unlikely because of the vegan insistence that meat-free is the only way to be, any reasonable evidence will immediately be tossed aside. On the same hand, it is unlikely the MEAT-NOW people will accept the results for the same reason.

We have all become far too spoiled on variety, and while variety is good, we also need to take a harsher look at what we eat, and what we can stop eating, or eat less of, because of ecological impact.

The holes in the Ozone are healing because we stopped using the harmful chemicals that caused it. We have time to repair the problems with the polar icecaps! (amazingly enough that would require many volcanoes going off. The fine particulates reflect sunlight and cause the earth to cool. That would give her time to rebuild the needed ice reserves on shore IMHO.

If we made massive hemp fields, we could greatly increase the amount of O2 in the atmosphere! Oh well. I'm assuming that people with the power to do so would WANT to improve the lot of the rest of us. Oh well. Looks like we're all going down in flames :(
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 03:35 PM
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2. It's a mystery why growing industrial hemp is banned in this country.
It's not as if you're going to smoke your clothing and get high. You probably hit the nail on the head with the observation of the quality of the hemp fabric in the clothes you found. Got to keep that cheap, poor quality, Chinese crap flowing into this country.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 03:38 PM
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7. They don't care about people getting high, anyway

They have no problem with booze & cigarettes. That is just the reason they hide behind to suppress its use in commerical
enterprises.

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FREEWILL56 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 07:16 PM
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61. So being it's made from an illegal plant can they arrest you and
charge you with wearing a controlled substance even though yours is around 200 years old?
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 08:07 PM
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81. Thankfully, no.
hemp cloth is not a controlled substance and it is imported into the US today.

http://www.dharmatrading.com/html/eng/1643912-AA.shtml
dharma trading company does it.
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axollot Donating Member (524 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-28-07 12:06 AM
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118. NO - hemp made products are allowed in the US...
Just not allowed to be GROWN here.

smoking a fatty off hemp papers mate!
cheers
Sandy
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-28-07 09:43 AM
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142. I have a couple of shirts made from hemp.
I bought them a few years ago. Ralph Lauren's by the way. The are a hemp-cotton blend. Not quite as soft or light as pure cotton, but they look good and wear well.

--IMM
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Greeby (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 03:44 PM
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12. It's because you cannot patent a plant
So corporations can't make any money off these products
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 06:17 PM
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48. Monsanto has a lot of grains patented now.
Dollars to donuts they are working on a hemp plant with one changed gene, then they can patent it AND sue the farm out from under anyone who ends up with a patented seed blowing off a truck and sprouting in a field.
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whistle (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-28-07 08:12 AM
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136. That in and of itself is a crime against humanity, how can anyone be allowed to patent a seed?
...seeds belong to nature.
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flashl (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-28-07 10:18 AM
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148. Agribusiness story ifrom Iraq ...
The Assault on Iraqi Agriculture --- U.S. Agribusiness Targets the Fertile Crescent


U.S. Policies --- GMOs and the Detrimental Effects of Order 81

After the so-called "transfer of sovereignty" in June 2004, when former Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) administrator L. Paul Bremer III left Baghdad, he left behind the 100 orders he enacted as head of the occupation authority in Iraq. Of Bremer's 100 Orders, Order 81 contains the edicts (paragraphs 51 - 79) pertinent to agriculture. Order 81, while claiming otherwise, will actually reduce biodiversity and thus lead to a monoculture susceptible to disease, increase chemical use, and pave the way for Genetically Modified Organisms ("GMOs") to dominate food production in Iraq.

In fact, Order 81 was written to promote the patenting of seeds and the sale of GMOs. Before the U.S. illegally invaded and occupied Iraq, it was not legal to patent seeds. Now, under U.S. decree, to patent varieties of seed, all that is necessary is to be the first to "describe" or "characterize" them. Even though technically, the Iraqi farmer is not being stopped from saving and sharing seed from traditional crops at this time, nevertheless there is now also nothing stopping Monsanto, Cargill, Dow, Syngenta, Bayer and other multinationals from "describing" or "characterizing" those traditional seeds, and thereby patenting those seeds in the future. And, when they do, the Iraqi farmer then will be prohibited from saving and sharing those seeds that have been passed down from generations, and will have to buy them from "the company store," "trapped into a high-cost cash crop economy from which he will find it impossible to escape."

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donsu (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-28-07 10:35 AM
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151. it's not a mystery - Ford & the new oil barons stopped it


back when Ford was just starting to get big. they wanted to sell their gas. Ford was a neo con.
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Duval Donating Member (124 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-28-07 11:27 AM
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156. Also, Hearst had something to do with it!
Think paper/timber industry.
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donsu (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-28-07 12:26 PM
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160. yes, true
nt
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 03:36 PM
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3. Hemp hemp hooray!!!
Should not be illegal.
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FREEWILL56 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 07:11 PM
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58. Give me a HIGH 5.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 03:36 PM
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5. I've always pictured the canvass- like hemp fabrics I've seen
Edited on Sat Oct-27-07 03:37 PM by hlthe2b
made into shoes and bags and the like.

Is this fabric more cotton-like? For a nightgown, I would think it must have some ability to "soften up" a bit? Tell us more. What are you planning to do with these?
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 03:42 PM
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11. They aren't quite as soft as cotton, but they aren't stiff at all

More like a raw cotton...I think if I soaked them again, they would soften up even more. I will go take a picture.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 03:46 PM
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13. cool... I'll look for it
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venuspluto (6 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-28-07 11:08 AM
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153. Fabric softness of plant fibers
Edited on Sun Oct-28-07 11:08 AM by venuspluto
It's my understanding that the more a pure hemp garment is washed and worn, the softer it will get. This is true of all "bast fibers" (fibers collected from the inner barks of plant-stems, other examples being flax AKA linen and rhamie). One way that hemp cultivators make raw hemp fiber less coarse is to harvest their hemp plants earlier, and this will yield a more linen-like fabric. While I'm sure such fabric will last a good long time also, I don't know if this early-harvested hemp fiber would have a shorter wash-and-wear life than mature-harvested hemp fiber.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-28-07 03:59 PM
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176. Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 03:56 PM
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19. Hemp fabrics are wonderful.
I sent for some swatches once and was blown away by how gorgeous they were.

Pure hemp can be any weight and texture, depending on how it's woven.

Hemp/Organic cotton is as soft and absorbant as the finest cotton you'll ever find.

Hemp/silk makes a gorgeous, light, satiny fabric that would do a wedding gown justice.

Here are a couple of my favorite hemp fabric sites:
http://www.hemptraders.com /
http://www.aurorasilk.com/index.html
http://www.rawganique.com/index.htm

My wardrobe is very simple and whenever I need a new item, I try to find it in hemp. Hemp clothing choices are still limited and expensive, so eventually I want to just buy fabric and have some items made to fit. They'll outlive me, for sure.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sat Oct-27-07 05:41 PM
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39. Thanks for the links, silverweb, and your comments.
LOVE this thread, after being very curious about hemp clothing for awhile.

Have loved tensel for ages!

Thanks to you, and debbierlus.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 08:03 PM
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76. You're welcome!
I hope you are able to find some hemp fabrics/clothing you absolutely love.

:hi:

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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 05:44 PM
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42. Thanks for those links!
And they have knitting yarn!
Think I just found my next project... :)
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 08:04 PM
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78. You're very welcome!
Let us know how your hemp knitting project comes out! :)
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wovenpaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 08:39 PM
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85. Thanks for the links!!!!
these are great!
:hi:
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 10:34 PM
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105. You're most welcome.
Enjoy!

:hi:
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-28-07 12:12 AM
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120. thanks
for posting the links! i'm kind of lucky being here in norcal. two star dog has an outlet in berkeley, and i've gotten several items of clothing from them in the past. a black hemp jacket was the workhorse of my wardrobe until i retired it from service :) hemp is a bit like linen, but softer. i like linen a lot too, it's easier to find and cheaper. if hemp was widely and (more cheaply) available, i'd buy a lot more of it!
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-28-07 12:47 AM
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127. You sure are lucky.
Hopefully, I'll end up there myself in a few years.

In the meantime, though, I don't see NorCal often and it seems that's where most of the cool hemp stores are. :D
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venuspluto (6 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-28-07 11:20 AM
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155. Thanks for these links
Everybody should have at least one pair of hemp clothes for when Peak Oil hits us.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 03:37 PM
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6. Are they haunted?
:hide:
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 03:39 PM
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8. I don't know, & living in a 140 year old house across from a cemetary...


I wouldn't be able to tell where the ghosts came from, if they were....

:rofl:
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 03:40 PM
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10. Wow.
The trifecta. Nice.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 04:05 PM
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22. As an old house nut...
I lived in a circa 1850 Federal. My niece was visiting and asked me if I thought anyone ever died in the house and I said "think about it, people back then weren't born and usually didn't die in hospitals."

The property was on a hill, so there was a short door to the basement at street level. I had a little girl about 6 ask me about the witches that lived there :D She was so cute.

-Hoot (who has never recognized a ghost as such if he has seen one)
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venuspluto (6 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-28-07 11:16 AM
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154. Old houses
I've heard that houses built prior to the 1890's have a difficult time accommodating modern heating, plumbing, and electricity systems. The oldest building in which I ever lived dated back to 1911.
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mark414 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 03:40 PM
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9. that's exactly why they made it illegal - Dupont and Dow can hold much of the blame
they lobbied heavily in the early part of the 20th century as nylon rope had just been invented and neither wanted to have to compete with the cheaper and more durable hemp; so they used the marijuana aspect of it all (apples and oranges) to justify it and a lot of cash to get the Congress to go for it.

it was a rousing success
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dougolat Donating Member (68 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-28-07 10:57 PM
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181. A really good history of that
is at  http://www.gametec.com/hemp/Thirties.wd6.html     and
the physical difference between growing for fiber/seed
production and THC is like the difference between Alaskan
sled dogs and Chihuahuas!   The more organic nature of
hemp-derived products (yes, even plastics!) vs. petroleum
products would have tremendous impact on one big part of our
pollution problems!   
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 03:47 PM
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14. Kicked and Recomended. I was just saying that in this thread.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 03:48 PM
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15. I hope you are
putting them up on ebay. I love vintage nightgowns.
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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 03:50 PM
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16. We need to outlaw ALL campaign contributions and go to sensible public financing NOW. It'll end all
this crap once and for all. The corporations would actually have to stand our their own merit and EARN the right to our hard-earned dollars. Yet, you never hear anyone advocating this anymore????????? rec'd
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dickbearton (577 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 06:20 PM
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49. Exactly right. K&R.
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 11:03 PM
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109. You don't mean the free market do you?
Heaven forbid that our glorious corporations would actually have to compete in a free market subject to the laws of Adam Smith instead of the laws perpetrated by campaign contributions. They would be in deeeeeeeeep do do.
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spacelady (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 03:54 PM
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17. We musn't forget the timber industry - they don't like hemp
because it can be used to make high-quality paper and construction materials.
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IDemo (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 03:56 PM
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18. Outlawing hemp is un-American
The U.S.S. Constitution , launched in 1797, was outfitted with 8 miles of running and 6.6 miles of standing rigging—14.6 miles of hemp tarred cordage that carried Old Ironsides through 30 battles at sea without a defeat.


George Washington and Thomas Jefferson both grew hemp . Ben Franklin owned a mill that made hemp paper. Jefferson drafted the Declaration of Independence on hemp paper.


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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 07:25 PM
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64. The Declaration of Independence was printed on hemp paper.
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sailor65 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 03:58 PM
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20. I have a bunch of hemp shirts
and they hold up great, are easy to find and not expensive at all.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 04:16 PM
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24. Where do you get them?
I'm always looking for new sources for reasonably priced hemp clothing. :)
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sailor65 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 05:04 PM
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34. Lately,
Edited on Sat Oct-27-07 05:08 PM by sailor65
I've been going to REI. I love the way the hemp stuff feels and wears. I'v gotten button-downs and tees in the last couple of months.

The only problem is the online store, like our local store, uses seasonal availability, so as winter approaches you typically have to wait until spring for the stuff to reappear.

I should have been more specific, too. The shirts I have from them are 60/40 hemp/organic cotton. With cool bamboo buttons! :-)


These are on clearance right now for season end.....try and get some, they're uber-comfy and dirt cheap.
http://www.rei.com/product/746927

On edit; it looks like only the real big sizes are left. Watch in the spring for all the new stuff to come out. :-(

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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 08:05 PM
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79. Fantastic!
There's a store only a few miles from me! Guess where I'm going after payday? :D
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sailor65 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 10:13 PM
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101. I hope yours still has some
Mine have pretty much flushed out for the year, but I got quite a few so I'm good.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 10:23 PM
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103. It'll be okay.
Even if they don't have much left, I can at least try a few things on and get an idea how their sizes run... then order on line!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 05:41 PM
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38. The operative words being "reasonably priced".
I'll plug a local business, here, but their stuff is pricey:

http://www.hempandchocolat.com/
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 08:13 PM
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82. Thanks for the link!
They've got some lovely items, if a bit on the steep side. Not likely I'll be in that area any time soon, but I'm not averse to ordering on line. :)

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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 04:03 PM
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21. Okay, everyone, I put up the images in the original post for those who were curious to see

I am glad people find it as interesting as I do....This is just like Show & Tell!
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 04:13 PM
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23. K&R One the most insightful posts I've ever read on DU.
Thanks

:)

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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 04:16 PM
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25. I am with you
K&R
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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 04:17 PM
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26. That's very cool - thanks for the pics & info!
I suspect you're exactly right about why hemp is banned. Has nothing to do with people getting high (industrial hemp isn't the same plant as the pot plant anyway), but with the need to propagate our throwaway society. Most everything is designed these days with a planned obsolescence - whether it's appliances that break as soon as their warranty runs out, or computer programs that "have to be" replaced with the latest versions every few months. And we wonder why the world is running out of resources.
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rabies1 (342 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-28-07 10:08 AM
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147. So, since hemp clothes last forever,this could threaten the garment industry?
With no need to replace clothes, we can keep wearing and wearing them,
making 'fashion' & 'fashion trends' unnecessary.
Is there a website petition I could go to & sign for legalizing hemp?

Do you think there's any way hemp could be used in creating make-up?? (- being sarcastic here.)
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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sun Oct-28-07 02:12 PM
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173. Why, yes...
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SecularMotion Donating Member (484 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 04:20 PM
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27. Great find!
Thank you for sharing. Do mind if I ask how much you paid?
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 04:24 PM
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28. Bingo!
Many people think hemp is illegal because of its relationship to marijuana, in reality it is the opposite marijuana is illegal because of hemp. As you point out hemp poses serious competition to some big industries textiles is one, but there are others as well. The timber industry and oil industry are big ones as well. Hemp is an incredibly useful plant that can not be patented. It also doesn't need a lot of chemicals such as pesticides to grow. How do you think Monsanto likes that? Cotton is not nearly as good of a fabric as hemp is and it certainly is not as environmentally friendly, but cotton is more profitable. It is all about the bottom line.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 04:25 PM
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29. They are great!

Where could I find one?

Thanks so much for sharing these photos.

;-)
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 04:25 PM
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30. Those are beautiful. I've tried spinning hemp
and mostly came up with twine. It seems to need a slightly acid wash and the freezing/thawing treatment linen garments need in order to make them wearable.

Hemp is illegal mostly because of the wood pulp industry. Hemp makes superior paper at a far lower financial and environmental cost. A lot of people would be out of work were hemp to be commercially cultivated again.

Still, it's an idea whose time has come.
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NoGodsNoMasters (257 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-28-07 01:19 AM
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130. Exactly!
And hemp grows faster than trees, and can produce more paper in the same space. Unfortunately, big business would rather destroy our forests. Criminal.
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venuspluto (6 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-28-07 01:25 PM
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167. Two technological developments sealed hemp's fate
1) A process was invented in which superior paper could be made cheaply from hemp hurds, or the innermost woody portion of the hemp plant's stem. Prior to this, hemp paper was made from hemp fiber (from the inner bark) much as hemp textiles were. Such fiber-paper is ideal for historical and cultural archives because of its very long life.

2) An American inventor of German descent invented a hemp decorticating (bark-removing) machine so that paper could be economically made from hemp rather than trees. (I think his name was Schlicten, but I'm not sure, so don't quote me.) This inventor remembered all too well how his native Germany's beautiful forests were mowed down to sate the German timber industry's appetite.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 04:28 PM
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31. Great Post! FYI, Hemp WAS Originally Made Illegal Because of the WOOD PULP INDUSTRY
They were threatened by the superior quality, cheap pulp that hemp provided for paper. The paper was better quality and WAY cheaper, so they bankrolled the "reefer madness" campaign and paid lobbyists to pass legislation to outlaw "marijuana". They accomplished this through a bait and switch and a terror campaign. They purposely did NOT use the more well known name of "hemp" in order to confuse people who knew that value of that plant. At that time hardly anyone called the plant "marijuana". This was in the early part of the 20th cent., around 1919 I think, though not positive. When the equivalent organization of the AMA at that time found out that "marijuana" (which they only belatedly realized was actually "hemp") was made illegal, they protested LOUDLY to congress that the plant should NOT be illegal because of it's numerous medical benefits that it was being used for at the time. However, the wood pulp's bait and switch worked and it was too late.

Unfortunately the hemp farmers were not organized like the wood pulp/timber industry, it was much more of an independent/cottage industry with local suppliers all over the country since it grew everywhere, so they were not nearly as well funded as the wood/pulp industry and could not fight the campaign effectively.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 08:40 PM
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86. And the reason they said "marijuana" was to pull on racism
White people didn't smoke "marijuana" - only the lazy mexicans and violent negros smoked that stuff! Why, if we got rid of teh mexican devil-herb, those spics would double in productivity and all our white wimmins would be safe again!

Or something to that effect.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 08:55 PM
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88. Hemp and Marijuana are NOT the same thing:
Industrial hemp is an incredible resource. Hemp is harvested for its fibers for hemp clothing and seeds for hemp oil. With a relatively short growth cycle of 100-120 days, it is an efficient and economical crop for farmers to grow, however, industrial hemp cannot be commercially grown in the United States because it is erroneously confounded with marijuana. In fact, industrial hemp and marijuana are different breeds of Cannabis sativa. Smoking large amounts of hemp flowers can produce a headache but not a high.

The reemergence of hemp is slowly but steadily progressing within the United States. Due to the similar leaf shape, hemp is frequently confused with marijuana. Although both plants are from the species cannabis sativa, hemp contains virtually no THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol) (less than .3%), the active ingredient in marijuana. Industrial hemp has no illicit uses, it is the equivalent of non-alcoholic beer.

http://www.hemp.com/?002,000,0012,
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 09:42 PM
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95. But They Were BOTH Made Illegal
At the same time. Cannabis Sativa was made illegal, and therefore so was hemp. The Pulp industry purposely confused them both in order to do this.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 10:07 PM
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98. Yes, I am quite aware of that
but your post makes absolutely no distinction between the two, just as lawmakers have purposely avoided making a distinction between the two species of cannabis. I always say it's a bit like mushrooms; there are some species that you can buy at the grocery, there are others that are illegal to possess. One does not have to make all species of cannabis legal to legalize industrial hemp. It really is a case of apples and oranges.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 10:10 PM
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100. Sure I Did
Edited on Sat Oct-27-07 10:12 PM by Beetwasher
"The paper was better quality and WAY cheaper, so they bankrolled the "reefer madness" campaign and paid lobbyists to pass legislation to outlaw "marijuana". They accomplished this through a bait and switch and a terror campaign. They purposely did NOT use the more well known name of "hemp" in order to confuse people who knew that value of that plant."

Perhaps I was not as clear as I could be, but that was the gist of what I was getting at. They used a bait and switch, scaring people with "marijuana" because they wanted to outlaw the more well known "hemp". They outlawed ALL Cannabis in order to outlaw "hemp".
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 08:55 PM
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89. William Randolph Hearst owned a lot of timber as well as his papers that
he used to push the refer madness meme.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 04:34 PM
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32. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread and pretty photos of your hemp nightgowns, debbierlus. :thumbsup:
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catmandu57 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 05:02 PM
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33. During WWII here
They grew hemp everywhere for the war, the hemp grew everywhere, along side the railroad tracks and every country road. This continued up to the eighties when st. ronnie supercharged the drug war, there was an eradication program that cleaned out the old fields and roadsides, they can't keep it from growing along the tracks, it's about the only place to find it growing wild here now.
This place used to be famous for the wild hemp pickers would show up every fall and the local constabulary and farmers would trap and bust them for marijuana possession even though it was only hemp.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 06:02 PM
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45. same here where i live
people used to pick it and sell it..we called it ditch weed.
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catmandu57 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-28-07 11:33 AM
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157. Thats it
Ditchweed, it still springs up by the tracks, but with all the johnny marijuana seeds out here now unless the plant is twelve feet tall it might be something else. :-)
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downindixie (321 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 05:30 PM
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35. The first diesel engine was designed to run on hemp oil
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 10:48 PM
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106. Actually, I believe it was peanut oil ... but it was sure as hell BIOdiesel!
(The Diesel engine displayed at the 1900 Paris Exhibition was fueled with peanut oil.)

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodiesel
This engine stood as an example of Diesel's vision because it was powered by peanut oil — a biofuel, though not biodiesel, since it was not transesterified. He believed that the utilization of biomass fuel was the real future of his engine. In a 1912 speech Diesel said, "the use of vegetable oils for engine fuels may seem insignificant today but such oils may become, in the course of time, as important as petroleum and the coal-tar products of the present time.".<10>

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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 05:32 PM
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36. That's called "no repeat business" . . . on ALL fronts.
Edited on Sat Oct-27-07 05:33 PM by HughBeaumont
Businesses aren't IN business to make things that LAST.

I mean, if you had STRONG clothing, there'd be no need to return to Penney's or MalWart for more should it get torn or frayed for whatever reason like cheap-fiber shirts do.

Marijuana has very little addictive elements in it. Now how would good Republican tobacco barons profit from THAT? They're not in the business of keeping you relaxed . . . they're in the business of keeping you COMING BACK regularly. I mean, let's face it: a person doesn't smoke 15-30 joints a day because there's no need. I mean, there's no need to smoke 15-30 cigarettes a day, but you do anyway. Where would the profit margin be?

Not to mention you'd be stepping on the toes of Big Oil, Big Paper, Big Pharma, Big Tobacco, etc, etc, etc. You wouldn't want to be . . . BAD FOR BUSINESS, do you?


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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 06:09 PM
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47. Well, we could always blow things up when big bidness needs an influx
of our $$$'s.

Bombing for bidness, that is the bush creed.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 08:58 PM
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90. That's the Neo-Con Creed:
"There's ALWAYS money for war, even if you don't have it! War is profitable. Helping people . . . well . . . isn't. Tough toenails for you peasants, I guess."
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 11:02 PM
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108. It's "The Man in the White Suit" ... for REAL!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0044876 /

The unassuming, nebbishy inventor Sidney Stratton creates a miraculous fabric that will never be dirty or worn out. Clearly he can make a fortune selling clothes made of the material, but may cause a crisis in the process. After all, once someone buys one of his suits they won't ever have to fix them or buy another one, and the clothing industry will collapse overnight. Nevertheless, Sidney is determined to put his invention on the market, forcing the clothing factory bigwigs to resort to more desperate measures... Written by rmlohner
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 05:39 PM
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37. I've got some hemp shirts. They last FOREVER.
Agreed, great stuff.

And beyond that, the bottom line is, pot should be legal, regulated, and taxed. People say "Ah, you just want industrial hemp legalized because you want pot legalized"- one, they're not the same thing, but two, you're damn right- they BOTH should be legal.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 05:45 PM
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43. Sadly, it won't be.
There'd be no need for middlemen.

Oh, you would still have mass-produced hemp clothing based on the fact working people aren't going to learn how to use a machine to make their own clothes. In that case, a middleman would be needed.

Not so much for the oil, food and smoking. The fuel part would be mostly localized and anyone could cultivate marijuana in their house if needs be for smoking and cooking. There'd be no need for entire rural counties of tobacco fields (and you can't eat tobacco), thus no tobacco or oil barons.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 05:41 PM
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40. Great post!
Extremely enlightening. The pics are beautiful.

Thanks for sharing.



Peace :thumbsup:
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 05:42 PM
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41. I make soap with hemp oil...
And the quality is amazing. It's a very gentle moisturizer for your skin. I add a little tea tree essential oil and it's a mild, healing bar. There are a million good uses for hemp.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 07:50 PM
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71. Ooh, I'll bet that's great soap.
The stuff I've used with hemp oil in it was very moisturizing. :)
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Psst_Im_Not_Here (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 10:59 PM
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107. I make lotions with it!
The antioxidants are terrific for skin!
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 11:20 PM
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112. So post a link! I think you could sell some here
nt
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-28-07 12:39 AM
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126. okay...
I'm making it now for the holidays, and I can always make more. Hemp soap is really terrific, and the Tea Tree essential oil is a nice addition. I put it in the DU Marketplace:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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kimmylavin Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 05:49 PM
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44. Wow.
That fabric is beautiful.
And 200 years old???
Amazing.

As to the marijuana aspects of your post... you're absolutely right. :)
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 06:03 PM
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46. It is so incredible...of course, we must give hats off to the ladies

Created by hand....

Such an artform

:)
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 07:51 PM
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72. Chances are, some men were involved.
Braking was usually done by men, as was the hetchelling. It took some strength to do those. :)
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 06:21 PM
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50. Textiles, cloth, four times as much paper per acre, fuel oil, food source (seeds)...
Hemp has countless physical uses, while its cousin marijuana has countless medicinal uses (if anyone says otherwise, they are completely clueless on the huge body of scientific studies backing this fact up).

FREE THE COUSINS!

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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 06:22 PM
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51. The industries that work
it keep Hemp illegal are (no particular order)
OIL
Wood
Cotton
Pharmaceuticals
Tobacco
Alcohol
Chemicals
add to this list if I have forgotten any.
All of these industries could adapt or die if Hemp were made legal.
shame that is the case. but true.
I wonder how many ideas we DUer's could come up with, to alleviate the economic disturbance these industries would suffer?

oh yeah, Great post!!!
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-28-07 12:24 PM
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159. Prison Industrial Complex.Updated at 3:19 PM
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piesRsquare (959 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 06:25 PM
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52. Beautiful!
Thanks for your great post--and for sharing the photos!
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 06:26 PM
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53. I don't believe that.
Except for kids, we mostly buy clothing to get the latest style, to get brighter colors, and to get clothes that don't have stains in them (this may just be me, because I work in factories and janitorially, and am not very good at washing). Plus, even us adults grow out of them as we get fatter (or sometimes thinner).
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Johnny Noshoes Donating Member (960 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-28-07 08:51 AM
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138. "we mostly buy clothing to get the latest style, to get brighter colors"
That's the advertising industry creating false needs and desires - none of us are immune to such manipulations just know that's what's happening to you when you think you need the latest bright shiny new thing.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-28-07 09:56 AM
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145. Hemp linen is great at shedding stains and dirt.
That's one reason why it was used as clothing for thousands of years in Europe--it cleans up beautifully.

You're right that it doesn't take dye that great, though. It can't get the super-saturated look of cotton, but it wears longer and cleans easier than cotton, so it's a tradeoff.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 06:35 PM
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54. Another source of Hemp fabric:
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Bright Eyes (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 06:35 PM
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55. Don't forget about paper.
Hemp makes a VERY cheap source of paper.

DuPont was one of the first to call for outlawing hemp.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sat Oct-27-07 07:01 PM
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57. Randolph Hurst owned a paper mill and forestland. Hemp was a threat
to his bottom line.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 09:27 PM
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91. Yep... the Constitution was written on Hemp paper.
Declaration of Independence too. A guy gave a presentation on hemp in my media and environment class the other day... and he said that hemp bares no resemblance to its cousin marijuana, and that it would be the number one cash crop if it were legalized. It's just that the logging industry and other farming industry keeps it down.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sun Oct-28-07 12:54 PM
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164. So, instead of legalizing hemp we'll chop down all our forests.
:banghead:
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-28-07 01:12 PM
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165. pretty much....
Edited on Sun Oct-28-07 01:15 PM by Blue Belle
makes sense, right?

The other big lobby that has kept hemp down is the chemical lobby. Hemp has no use for pesticides because bugs won't bother it.

I've spent the majority of this week with the phrase, "If only..." starting every thought.
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Friday (17 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 06:44 PM
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56. Thanks
This is awesome. The ignorance when it comes to this great plant is mind boggling.
I live in Ca and received an email from VoteHemp about an industrial hemp bill in my state assembly so wrote a letter to my assembly woman. She wrote back to me and said marijuana is a gateway drug. Stupid. I have been trying to get her out of office ever since.
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spacelady (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 07:12 PM
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59. Big Welcome to you, jimnkara! With the body of evidence and
facts about the benefits of this wonder plant called hemp, I just don't know how our representatives can continue to stick their fingers in their ears and sing LALALALALA. Oh yeah - Big Corporate Money. Despicable.
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Friday (17 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 07:15 PM
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60. Thank you
Thanks for the welcome. I lurk around here a lot but am still learning politics so don't post much.
MJ/Hemp happens to be an interest of mine =). It's good to see that more people are learning the truth and not listening to all the BS the govt feeds them.
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venuspluto (6 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-28-07 01:32 PM
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169. I'm relatively new, too
But people around here seem pretty well aware that most of what the gov./MSM feeds the populace is BS.
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Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 07:18 PM
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62. With all due respect
I don't think it's the clothing industry blocking this stuff. They aren't looking 50 years into the future, and you can always "modernize" your designs. It's the religious fundies blocking it. Forget walking, looking, or quacking like a duck, if it remotely even smells like a duck it's the weed from hell.

I don't have hemp stuff myself, but what I've seen is rough but warm, coarse but heavy. Not the perfect material for everything, but probably great for many occasions. However, since we can't differentiate between hemp grown for fabric and hemp grown for smoking, all hemp is bad. C'est la vie.
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SteveM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sat Oct-27-07 07:45 PM
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68. Respectfully, it isn't the religions fundies...
The chief passion behind the dominance of the Far Right is an enduring hatred for the counter culture of the 60s. While the religious right has supported this prohibition, the "original hatred" stems from the highly extremist social philosophy of far-rights like Krauthammer, Bennett, etc. who see moral decay spewing forth from liberals, but these guys are not particularly religious. They just know who to bring on board.

And of course the icon of the 60s is a pot leaf.

Study enough of the rhetoric and ideology of the Far Right and you will see that the reason for the WOD is social control (and not the stale, dumb argument used by many: "it's the money"). The price of pot has remained as rigid as pork belly futures, and the prices of heroin and cocaine have fallen to less than half of what they were some 20 years ago. But, hey, smirking economic determinists have never understood the Far Right. The emphasis of the WOD, at any rate, has always been on pot because of the iconic image and hateful stereotypes the Right has successfully attached to the counter culture. There are temporal exceptions, most notably the scare over "crack," but the counter culture the Right despises is a bigger outlook than standard "containment" of minorities in certain geographic sites. The result has been a raft of laws which curtail "search & seizure," "due process," "habeus corpus," and other protections of the Constitution. From here, you get the Patriot Acts. The Far Right alway plans way in advance and that beats any argument about money or religion.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-28-07 01:39 AM
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132. They fear Pot more than the harder drugs because, though it isn't
physically addictive, that makes it more attractive to a wider spectrum of social-economic classes. Hence, you have red-neck pot smokers. People can enjoy it and not fuck up their lives. That means the alternative perspective getting high brings can be experienced by more people. Alternative anything is a threat to the status quo, which very much depends upon people accepting a limited set of values.
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Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-28-07 01:35 PM
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170. I bet if we told them
that if we get high enough we'll vote for them for office, and won't care what they do when they get there.

They might just go for it.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-28-07 01:44 PM
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171. I'll bet you're right about that!!
But, I don't know for sure, however I have been told by someone close to me that pot makes them care MORE, not less about things, and this is one of the things that controls his/her use. Probably a difference in chemistry. But I think it is a difference that is not as uncommon as certain myth makers would have us believe, hence the prohibition.
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Bennyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 07:20 PM
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63. Hemp versus cotton
Compared to Cotton:

-Environmentally, hemp is a safer crop to grow than cotton. Cotton is a soil-damaging crop and needs a great deal of fertilizers, herbicides and pesticides.

-Cotton crops in the USA occupy 1% of the country’s farmland but use 50% of all pesticides.

-1 acre of hemp will produce as much as 2-3 acres of cotton.

-Hemp is 4 times warmer than cotton, 4 times more water absorbent, has 3 times the tensile strength of cotton. It is also many times more durable and is flame retardant.

-Many high fashion clothing manufacturers have produced clothes and footwear made with hemp. Some of these include: Nike, Converse, Armani, Patagonia, Polo Ralph Lauren, Oscar de la Renta and many more.

-Hemp fabrics were once far more expensive than cotton and other fabrics due to limited supply, but increased demand and availability in recent years have lowered the price considerably.

-Hemp breathes well and wicks moisture away from the body better than cotton.

-Hemptown (Canada’s largest hemp t-shirt supplier) asserts that selecting their hemp/cotton blended t-shirt over an all-cotton t-shirt saves the environment 744 gallons of water. This company has recently been funded by Canada’s National Research Council to create an enzyme that will make hemp fibres as soft as cotton.



Hemp FACTS http://www.hempfarm.org/Papers/Hemp_Facts.html

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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 10:17 PM
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102. What about water? Cotton is one of the world's biggest consumers of water.
http://www.panda.org/about_wwf/what_we_do/policy/agricu...

Hemp is growing wild in Afgahnistan, while farmers in (former Soviet) Central Asia have virtually destroyed the Aral Sea to irrigate cotton.
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pansypoo53219 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 11:27 PM
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113. gotta love the cotton lobby then.
i have some old nighties. might be hemp. also a lot of old embroidered pillowcases, some am sure are hemp rather than cotton(the better ones). i don't wear nighties tho. one seems more for a child or way more petite, cause the arms were so tight. amazing detail. but they didn't have teevee or the puter.
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Bennyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Oct-27-07 11:39 PM
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114. HEMP can save the world!
In the 1930s the Ford Motor Company also saw a future in biomass fuels. Ford operated a successful biomass conversion plant, that included hemp, at their Iron Mountain facility in Michigan. Ford engineers extracted methanol, charcoal fuel, tar, pitch, ethyl-acetate and creosote. All fundamental ingredients for modern industry and now supplied by oil-related industries.<2>

The difference is that the vegetable source is renewable, cheap and clean, and the petroleum or coal sources are limited, expensive and dirty. By volume, 30% of the hemp seed contains oil suitable for high-grade diesel fuel as well as aircraft engine and precision machine oil.

Henry Ford's experiments with methanol promised cheap, readily renewable fuel. And if you think methanol means compromise, you should know that many modern race cars run on methanol.

About the time Ford was making biomass methanol, a mechanical device<3> to strip the outer fibers of the hemp plant appeared on the market. These machines could turn hemp into paper and fabrics<4> quickly and cheaply. Hemp paper is superior to wood paper. The first two drafts of the U.S. constitution were written on hemp paper. The final draft is on animal skin. Hemp paper contains no dioxin, or other toxic residue, and a single acre of hemp can produce the same amount of paper as four acres of trees.<5> The trees take 20 years to harvest and hemp takes a single season. In warm climates hemp can be harvested two even three times a year. It also grows in bad soil and restores the nutrients.

Hemp fiber-stripping machines were bad news to the Hearst paper manufacturing division, and a host of other natural resource firms. Coincidentally, the DuPont Chemical Company had, in 1937, been granted a patent on a sulfuric acid process to make paper from wood pulp. At the time DuPont predicted their sulfuric acid process would account for 80% of their business for the next 50 years.

Hemp, once the mainstay of American agriculture, became a threat to a handful of corporate giants. To stifle the commercial threat that hemp posed to timber interests, William Randolph Hearst began referring to hemp in his newspapers, by its Spanish name, "marijuana." This did two things: it associated the plant with Mexicans and played on racist fears, and it misled the public into thinking that marijuana and hemp were different plants.

Nobody was afraid of hemp--it had been cultivated and processed into usable goods, and consumed as medicine, and burned in oil lamps, for hundreds of years. But after a campaign to discredit hemp in the Hearst newspapers, Americans became afraid of something called marijuana.

By 1937, the Marijuana Tax Act was passed which marked the beginning of the end of the hemp industry. In 1938, Popular Mechanics ran an article about marijuana called, "New Billion Dollar Crop."<6> It was the first time the words "billion dollar" were used to describe a U.S. agricultural product. Popular Mechanics said,


. . . a machine has been invented which solves a problem more than 6,000 years old. . . .
The machine . . . is designed for removing the fiber-bearing cortex from the rest of the stalk, making hemp fiber available for use without a prohibitive amount of human labor.

Hemp is the standard fiber of the world. It has great tensile strength and durability. It is used to produce more than 5,000 textile products ranging from rope, to fine laces, and the woody "hurds" remaining after the fiber has been removed, contain more than seventy-seven per cent cellulose, and can be used to produce more than 25,000 products ranging from dynamite to cellophane.

Well since the Popular Mechanics article appeared over half a century ago, many more applications have come to light. Back in 1935, more than 58,000 tons of marijuana seed were used just to make paint and varnish (all non-toxic, by the way). When marijuana was banned, these safe paints and varnishes were replaced by paints made with toxic petro-chemicals. In the 1930s no one knew about poisoned rivers or deadly land-fills or children dying from chemicals in house paint. People did know something about hemp back then, because the plant and its products were so common.

http://www.ratical.org/renewables/hempHDRT.html
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-28-07 12:02 AM
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116. I would like to get hold of that 1948 PM article ...
will go a-Googlin' later.
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Bennyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-28-07 08:58 AM
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140. Popular Mechanics article 1938
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Oct-28-07 03:55 PM
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175. Thankee kindly! nt
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