Ron Paul wins the Fox News post debate poll with @34%

[skipos]

even though he was booed during the debate.

[TwilightGardener]

1. Go Ron Paul!! Stand up for that Constitution thang!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

6. You do know that on all issues other than Iraq, Ron Paul is well to the right

of Darth Vader? He's virulently anti-choice, and would happily drown the government in Grover Norquist's bathtub. He's lunatic-fringe Libertarian.

[TwilightGardener]

9. Oh, I know. He'll never get elected--

aside from the fact that a non-neocon Republican will never get near the WH, Paul is 72 and has a strange speaking voice and mannerisms--that won't fly, even if everything else added up for him and people accepted him trying to wipe out things like OSHA and the EPA and whatnot. But he makes the rest of the Repub pack look like jackasses on the war and on Constitutional issues, and he further divides the GOP (and they're already pretty divided--the fundie SoCons, the FisCons, and the anti-immigration nutcases, etc.). Always a good thing to have him on stage.

[TheUniverse]

34. I wouldn't call him a "lunatic fringe libertarian"

After all how many libertarians want a zygote defined as a human and want a wall on the Mexican border? He reminds me of an even more of an extreme version of Pat Buchanan. Want to see a true lunatic fringe libertarian? look at Penn and Teller's Bullshit.

[rwheeler31]

2. so

[rusty quoin]

3. So they won't put that on 'Fox and Friends.'

Fox doesn't like him because he isn't for war profits. They like everything else he stands for, but if not for war, you'll get no press.

[Hutzpa]

4. I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS SHIT!!!!

you guys are actually talking about a Goper here, WHAT DA FUCK? this motha-fucka was part of the bashing of HRC and the rest of the Dem candidates, and you guys are CELEBRATING HIM!! WHATS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE? if any one of you think they're doing us a favor think again. We surrounded by DIMWITS. FUCK!!!!!


:mad: :puke: :mad: :puke:

[genieroze]

5. BELIEVE THIS, if it's between HELLory or Paul. I'm not votin for Hellory!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

8. Then maybe you'd be happier with some group other than DU,

because Hillary (who is not my favorite Dem candidate) is an actual Democrat, while Ron Paul is an extreme right-wing nutjob.

[Hutzpa]

11. Heres a nice piece

of advice, why don't you go over to free republic, I heard they're looking for some like you, you'll fit perfectly, me think you've lost your way some how.



:puke:

[cali]

37. then you won't be here.

Not posting that shit. Keep it up and you'll undoubtedly win a tombstone.

[Forkboy]

42. I don't like Hillary at all, but that's just pathetic.

[Orsino]

46. It won't be between the two of them...

...it'll be between the two parties they represent. I'm not wild about either of those candidates, but I sure as hell know which party ought to be kept from power.

[scarletwoman]

19. You've got it all wrong. A Ron Paul candidacy means a sure win for Democrats!

It will totally discombobulate the GOP political machine. He's the monkey wrench!

sw

[Swamp Rat]

7. Excellent, Mr. Smithers!

[Marrah_G]

10. I know a few people who don't really follow politics that think he is just the cat's meow

So I tell him all the crap he advocates that they don't hear about. That's pretty much stopped their support.

[Blue-Jay]

12. The Rondroids LOVE unscientific polls.

They figure that if they can skew enough of them with multiple votes, that people will actually give a shit about Dr Crazypants. Personally, I think loading the polls in favor of Paul is funny because it really gets Hannity's panties in a wad.

[scarletwoman]

13. I love it! Oh please, oh please dear imaginary sky being, let Ron Paul win the Repug nomination!

It would be so awesome! The GOP would utterly implode! Hooray for entropy!

:bounce:
sw

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

14. Only problem is,

there are a lot of seriously uninformed people who'd actually vote for him.

[Swamp Rat]

16. Good for them!!

I hope they do, because when Ron Paul LOSES the GOP nomination, he will peel away, hopefully, 15% of the libertarians. :)

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

Now, THAT might work.

There are a lot of ex-Republicans who now like to call themselves Libertarians. If Paul runs on a third-party ticket, he might suck away a lot of voters from the GOP. What worries me is that there are also some Dems (including some on DU) who haven't figured out yet that although he's not a neocon loon, he's still a loon.

[Swamp Rat]

20. Let me tell you

I have, after years of hard work, convinced most of my repuke friends to support Ron Paul. All of them hate the neocons now too. :bounce:

[scarletwoman]

17. Won't matter if we get a bigger Dem majority in Congress. He won't be able to do shit.

He'll be the Repug's Jimmy Carter.

sw

[nadine_mn]

39. Unfortunately, there are a lot of seriously

uninformed people who vote period - see 2000 election, 2004 election and dear god explain why Michelle Bachman won in Minnesota

[Swamp Rat]

15. Exactly!

"Hooray for entropy!" :rofl:

[scarletwoman]

18. Thank you kindly, dear Swampy!

:loveya:

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[Blue-Jay]

25. Piss off.

Rondroids are not welcome at DU. Go hit an online poll, you freak.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

26. You'll just love it when he tries to kill social security, medicare, medicaid, Roe vs Wade etc.

You are no flaming Liberal.

[Rhythm and Blue]

29. Two words, sir.

Fuck. Off.

God damn, the Paultards get into everything.

[tuckessee]

22. America clamors for a candidate who is antiwar.

Adamantly antiwar.

Not some stage down, drawback, de-escalation, do-it-over time BS.

Americans want out of the war now.

They want the troops to stop dying immediately.

So far there's only one candidate who promises that & he does so in language that is unambiguous.

We all know who that candidate is.

Both parties are failing their followers by not adequately addressing the growing unpopularity of the War on Terror, the Iraq War & the looming Iran War.

[KharmaTrain]

23. It's Not The Anti-War That Grabs 'Em

Paul's Libertarian in Repugnican clothing game attracts as many with its elimination of the IRS and close the border, build a fence, moat and razor wire crowd. The anti-war adds to his difference and probably has brought in some independents and erswhistle Democrats, but that's not the issue that revs his people up...just listen to the callers on Washington Journal.

No candidate has come out with a plan to remove our troops from Iraq...NONE. Withdraw...fine with me...but how? Give 'em all plane tickets and say come home? Talk is plenty cheap during a campaign...having real workable solutions and not rhetoric is another story. Sadly, we have few, if any, of those people.

[Disturbed]

24. Ron Paul will never run as a Libertarian on a 3rd Party Ticket.

He did that once & learned his bitter lesson. If he did garner the Repug nomination, which is highly doubtful, he would then be exposed for the Libertarian that he actually is. He would lose. The Repugs know that, so they will nominate, Mitt or Rudy. Huckabee, who is actually the ideal candidate for the RWing Fundies, is gaining ground but he also could not win in the General Election. If Rudy cannot win over the RWing Fundies, the Repugs will have only one Repug left: Mitt.

I strongly suspect that it will be Mitt/Jeb for the Repugs.


Bush family hedges its bets for 2008
By Alexander Bolton
March 26, 2007


Much of Jeb’s inner circle has picked Romney. The list includes Sally Bradshaw, who served as Gov. Bush’s campaign manager in 1994 and 1998 and as his first gubernatorial chief of staff; Ann Herberger, who was the governor’s campaign finance director; and Mandy Fletcher, who recently headed Bush’s think tank, Foundation for Florida’s Future, and worked on his reelection. In addition, Alan Philp, Bush’s former policy director, is coordinating policy and issues for Romney.

Jeb Bush’s former lieutenant governor Toni Jennings, Al Cardenas, who served as Florida GOP chairman under Jeb, David Griffin, who headed Jeb’s second -term transition office and was the Florida Lottery Secretary, Sherri McVay, executive director of Jeb’s statewide advocacy council, and Kristy Campbell, the former governor’s press secretary, are all playing roles in Romney’s campaign.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/bush-family--hedges-bets-2007-03-26.html


This has not been photo-shopped.

[LanternWaste]

41. Kucinich, right?

"We all know who that candidate is."

Kucinich, right?

Americans also want affordable health care, environmental protections and the protection of Roe v. Wade...

[Ava]

27. i posted this elsewhere but will repost.

To the people who think Ron Paul is great i suggest they take a look at his voting record. It is absolutely mind-blowing all of the support he is getting right now - and quite a bit of it from people who consider themselves "liberals" or "democrats" or people who usually vote for democrats. Have they not once bothered to look at the man's voting record? I think it can be said that a lot(if not most!) of the people who support Ron Paul don't realize exactly who Ron Paul is. I've found this to be particularly true in young folks.

View his voting record here: http://www.issues2000.org/TX/Ron_Paul.htm

[krispos42]

30. He's defeating the other Reichwingers for us

yeah, he's a libertarian, but when it comes to making the others look like what they actually are (flip-flopping hypocrites) he'd doing a great job of it.

Frankly at this point, donating $100 to his campaign will probably drive more people from the Republican party than donating that same money to any of the Democratic candidates.

Remember, turning Repubs to vote Dem is good, but having them stay home in disgust or vote 3rd party works as well.

The Republicans learned that little trick in Pennsylvania in 2006. Turns out a Green Party candidates contributions were all (except for the candidates own donations to himself) coming from Republicans. Because the GOP learned that spending $1,000 promoting the Green Party would take away more Democratic Party votes than spending the same cash promoting the Republican Party or attacking the Dems.

IIRC, the Green Party candidate, once he learned this, dropped out.

[TimBean]

32. i spent a lot of time a vote-smart.org

He voted against the Iraq war, along with Kucinich and AGAINST Clinton, Biden, Edwards, Dodd

He voted against the Patriot Act. Check out Clinton, Obama, Biden, Edwards, Dodd. NOPE!! They voted for the Patriot ACT

He votes against farm (corporate) subsidies. Check out Clinton et al.

He has different ideas about the role of government in your lives. He wants to let people take more responsibility for their own lives and the people are feeling ready for it.

If the government is going to take away a third of my money, of course I'd rather it go to keeping people healthy rather than building bombs. But I'd rather that the government isn't given a free reign to take my money and do whatever it wants with it.

Remember this:
Money is power, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[Orsino]

33. Our government has too much that needs doing...

...for us to continue to fritter away time and money on alleged Libertarians who want the government to do even less.

[TimBean]

44. I would like to have less war

I guess not everyone on DU wants that too.

[Orsino]

45. Politics is compromise...

...but I am dismayed at what we're willing to give up.

[cali]

38. That deranged little fucker

wants to take away a woman's right to choose to have an abortion. Fuck him and the horse he rode in on. He wants unfettered free trade. He wants lower corporate taxes. He wants no environmental protections. He wants to withdraw from the UN and boot them out of the country.

Fuck him, and anyone on DU who supports him.

[rAVES]

43. Actually I believe he said that thats not a decision the feds should make

and that it should be left to the state and locals...

[Heidi]

36. Exactly. Stormfront has endorsed him. Why hasn't he repudiated that endorsement?

Good points, Ava. :thumbsup:

[NewJeffCT]

40. 0% score from NARAL and 76% from the Christian Coalition and CATO

Not exactly a liberal score now...

5% from the League of Conservation Voters
A by the NRA
89% from the National Taxpayer Union

[Rhythm and Blue]

28. Ron Paul wins a non-scientific poll? Shocker. nt

[Dewlso]

31. Just another used car with a flashy paint job

We need something NEW and RELIABLE. Ron Paul has good theories that have been unproven. We need someone with their feet firmly on the ground. Someone who has the middle and lower classes in mind when they make choices. Ron Paul is trying to lump us all together in one big bag. Its too late for that. The damage done to the middle and lower classes require immediate attention, not broad stroke policies. The damage needs to be reversed before we can move on. Ron Paul does not have those kind of solutions. He is more of a "let's just cut our losses and move on". That is easy to say when very little of the damage was done to you.

[Perry Logan]

35. Screwing things up for the Republican Party--the first useful thing a libertarian has ever done!