Where did the 9/11 hijackers get their passports?

[Deep13]

Some well-meaning but grossly misinformed individual told me that two of the 9/11 hijackers had Iraqi passports. The hijackers were not Iraqi themselves, he says, but obtained Iraqi passports for the sole purpose of entering the USA lawfully to blow stuff up. This, he believes, justifies our invasion of Iraq.

Of course even if true, no it doesn't. The criminal acts of two people do not implicate a whole nation unles that countries government put them up to it. Further, the legal justification was WMDs and even then Bush exceeded his authority to say nothing of ignoring prudence.

Does anyone know where the non-Saudi terrorists got their passports?

[tk2kewl]

1. From Dick Cheney, I think.

[Deep13]

3. Hey, this passport just says "Kingdom of Halliburton."

[Warren Stupidity]

2. Did you ask your freeper friend for a source?

There was no Iraq connection at all. On the other hand our good buddies Saudi Arabia and Egypt have many connections.

[Deep13]

7. I was not able to discuss it at length.

I was at a shooting range where this dude works. I overheard another customer tell the owner he did not care if prisoners were made to wear hoods and then went on about "our media." I muttered something under my breath about not wanting that done to our guys. This other dude said we did not start this war (as if that is a justification for torture) and I ask how he figured that. He told me the above "fact" and I had to leave it at that.

[CTyankee]

4. I never heard that one! It sounds like a desperate attempt to once again

lay SOMETHING at the feet of Saddam Hussein.

I will say that I have a coworker who says he still believes there are wmd's "somewhere in Iraq." Well, so might Tinkerbell.

[Deep13]

12. yeah, no kidding

The store owner said the morale of the troops is high. He knows because a handful of them shop at his store. Of course if they shop at his store, they are not in Iraq.

[CTyankee]

19. I can't believe how long some pubs hold onto Bush and his war!

They believe stuff that defy all logic, reason and most importantly EVIDENCE. They wish it to be so, so badly. Well, there were a few diehards who went down in the bunker with der furher in Berling, too...

[Deep13]

29. Next time I will say "So how much more slack are you gonna give this asshole?"

It's always someone else's fault.

[tridim]

5. No idea, but I do know their passports were sturdy enough..

to survive a building collapse that turned concrete and flesh into dust.

Maybe Abramoff secured their passports while they were partying on his casino boats?

[Deep13]

8. Yeah, I thought of that. Maybe they were asbestos.

I seem to remember that the govt. was able to learn their identities through other means. That might have allowed them to find their passports.

[Norquist Nemesis]

15. Not only that but they managed to be picked up in piles of dust

off the street in the midst of a panic and be placed in the the hands of the very authority(s) that could verify them and get them onto the TV...within a few hours!

[JVS]

6. Probably from each one's country of birth.

So I think Saudi Arabia might have been for some, maybe a few were from other countries

[Deep13]

9. I seem to recall that the non-Saudis were from Afghanistan.

[jus_the_facts]

10. Saudi Arabia and Pakistan...

...were the only two.

[Deep13]

16. Okay. Just our two allies.

[Sydnie]

24. Colbert said it best last night

they are our Frenemys. Friends, that are our enemies, but still our friends. He used China as his example. They hold our debt, so we won't attack them because we couldn't afford it. They won't attack us, because you can't get money from ashes. That makes them our Frenemy. See how that works?

[Canuckistanian]

27. And Egypt, I believe

And a few from UAE.

[B Calm]

11. Since they were from Saudi Arabia, my guess would be Saudi Arabia!

[Deep13]

14. Most were Saudis. 2 or 3 were from somewhere else. nt

[jus_the_facts]

13. Please GO READ the 9/11 Forum for more information.!!!

:think:

[Deep13]

18. Yeah, yeah. I thought someone might know.

Someone did say it was Pakistan, not Iraq.

[jus_the_facts]

20. And Never Forget....one miraculously appeard on TOP of the rubble at the WTC...

:eyes:

[HughBeaumont]

25. What did they say about the lottery?

Mathematically? I think it's take two stacks of paper about two miles high, write your name on one of the pieces of paper and place it randomly in one of the stacks, wait for a major windstorm to blow all that shit down, and the likelihood of the piece of paper with your name on it landing by your feet is about the same as winning the lottery.

I think the same thing can be said of the magic passport/ID.

[Deep13]

30. Well, must have been divine intervention or something.

Just like tose two girders our of hundreds that happen to make a cross shape.

[9thkvius]

17. I think it breaks down like this

of the nineteen hijackers, there were:

Two from the United Arab Emirates (Marwan al-Shehhi and another whose name I don't remember)
One from Lebanon (Ziad Jarrah)
One from Egypt (Mohammed Atta al Sayed)
Fifteen from Saudi Arabia (everyone else)

However, there were some questions about whether or not some of the hijackers were using false identities. I don't know whether or not those issues were ever fully resolved.

It sounds like the person you were talking to was probably spouting one of the Laurie Mylorie theories or something. I am pretty sure she has no idea what the hell she is talking about.

[chimpymustgo]

21. Here's a great thread from the "basement": 911 Hijackers got visas with help from the CIA

Howells (161 posts) Wed Jan-31-07 03:12 AM
Original message
911 Hijackers got visas with help from the CIA

How did the hijackers get their visas to enter the U.S.?

The National Review has published a careful study of this question
that concludes that the awarding of visas to these applicants is
"inexplicable." This is the strong consensus opinion of several
government officials with extensive hands-on experience with the
process of issuing visas in this part ofthe world:

All six experts strongly agreed that even allowing for human error, no
more than a handful of the visa applications should have managed to
slip through the cracks. Making the visa lapses even more
inexplicable, the State Department claims that at least 11 of the 15
were interviewed by consular officers. Nikolai Wenzel, one of the
former consular officers who analyzed the forms, declares that State's
issuance of the visas "amounts to criminal negligence."

{"Visas that Should Have Been Denied--A look at 9/11 terrorists’ visa
applications," Joel Mowbray, National Review Online, October 9, 2002
http://www.nationalreview.com/mowbray/mowbray100902.asp }


The great majority of the hijackers' visas, 15 of them, were issued at
the U.S. consular office in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Michael Springman,
formerly the head U.S. consular officer in Jeddah has shed light on
how and why these visas were issued. According to Springman:

"In Saudi Arabia I was repeatedly ordered by high level State
Department officials to issue visas to unqualified applicants. These
were, essentially, people who had no ties either to Saudi Arabia or to
their own country. I complained bitterly at the time there. I returned
to the US, I complained to the State Dept here, to the General
Accounting Office, to the Bureau of Diplomatic Security and to the
Inspector General's office. I was met with silence ...

"What I was protesting was, in reality, an effort to bring recruits,
rounded up by Osama Bin Laden, to the US for terrorist training by the
CIA. They would then be returned to Afghanistan to fight against the
then-Soviets."


{"Has someone been sitting on the FBI?," Greg Palast, BBC Newsnight,
November 6, 2001
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/events/newsnight/1645527.stm }

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x138085

[pberq]

26. State's issuance of the visas "amounts to criminal negligence."

Has there been any attempt to investigate this? (we all know the answer)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

22. 15 hijackers received visas in Saudi Arabia. From WAPO

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A14788-2001Oct30¬Found=true
15 Hijackers Obtained Visas in Saudi Arabia
Most Citizens of That Country Seeking to Visit U.S. Are Approved Without Interviews

By Mary Beth Sheridan
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, October 31, 2001; Page A10

Fifteen of the 19 hijackers in the Sept. 11 attacks obtained U.S. visas in Saudi Arabia, where most citizens seeking to visit the United States are quickly approved without interviews, American officials said yesterday.

Only 3 percent of Saudi visa applicants were turned down by U.S. consular officers in that country in fiscal 2000 and 2001, according to State Department figures. Saudis seeking visitors' visas generally submit their paperwork to travel agencies, and only a small minority are called in by U.S. diplomats for interviews, officials said.

continued at above link.

[fed-up]

23. more info on hijackers-passports are easily faked-cooperative research dot org

http://cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&the_alleged_9/11_hijackers

If you have never been to cooperative research before it is an excellent research site
http://cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project
Home » Projects » Complete 911 Timeline
Complete 911 Timeline

[pitohui]

28. the non-saudis were egyptian

it isn't any big secret

there were no iraqis in 911

[Deep13]

31. Dammit! Bomb the pyramids!

:sarcasm:

[genie_weenie]

32. The Conch Republic. n/t