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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:55 AM
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Costa Rica, Pelosi, Reid and CAFTA
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 10:10 AM by Sarah Ibarruri
I just returned from Costa Rica, a country I'd never visited and wanted very much to see. Unfortunately we were hit by a front from Argentina, and from the time I arrived to the time I left, it did nothing but rain 24/7. However, the country was awesomely beautiful, the people are unbelievably affectionate (they call themselves TICOS), and it is not an impoverished country the way other countries in that area are. In fact, they have an immigration problem!

I was surprised to learn that they have socialized medicine and their medical excellency rating stands between France and Japan on a UN list. Their educational system is outstanding. It is required up to the 8th grade, and if a poor person needs their child to work (for example, caring for the younger kids while both parents work outside the home because they don't have enough to pay for child care), the govt. will calculate the equivalent of how much that child's work provides, give the family the money, and send the child to school. No one loses. It's a good country, not without problems, but all countries have problems.

However, I arrived on the day that the country was voting on the CAFTA referendum. Costa Ricans have been against it from the get-go. With the exception of the mega-rich, and those affiliated with the U.S., the answer to CAFTA was always no, so when the govt. was ready to either accept or reject (and of course, they deal with the U.S. so they were ready to accept), the nation demanded a referendum vote, and so it happened. The people voted last Sunday. (Notice that they even hold elections on weekends so working people don't have to miss work. They go vote after church, on the way to their Sunday family get-togethers - a Tico tradition). It barely made it to yes.

I speak Spanish, so I had the opportunity to speak to all manner of TICOS, from taxi drivers, to maids, to attorneys and restaurant owners. All of them told me the story of CAFTA and what happened. Here's their story: TICOs were against CAFTA because they're aware that all like treaties (NAFTA) only benefit the rich. The early voting studies were showing 80% against it. Then TICOs demanded it be either passed or rejected via referendum and that's where our government (DEMOCRAT as well as Republican) becamse nervous. This govt. regardless of which political party wants all free market treaties to go forward.

At that point, Pelosi and Reid wrote an official threat letter to Costa Rica and told the govt. of Costa Rica that if they did not manage to convince their country to vote yes on CAFTA that the U.S. would no longer have mercantile treaties with Costa Rica. Suddenly, after they left, there was a MASS (and I do mean MASS) amount of propaganda for the YES. From newspapers, to billboards, to people being paid to campaign for yes, etc. All TICOS said it was outrageous. A country that clearly was against CAFTA suddenly had pro-CAFTA propaganda coming out of the wazoo. It was clear the govt was spending millions of dollars (who knows if those millions were American), and the VP was actually recorded threatening local officials if they did not tell their communities to vote in favor of CAFTA. The VP had to resign. By the time it went to vote, it was 51-ish to 48-ish

So that's my Costa Rica story. No need to say how disappointed I am with my political party which I have belonged to for many, many years. Maybe I have been deluded and there are not really 2 political parties here, but two fraternities or clubs, both of which have the same beliefs. I am DISAPPOINTED BEYOND BELIEF at Pelosi and Reid and they make me sick to my stomach just to think about what they did in and to Costa Rica.

Perhaps someone could offer a word of comfort. I've been a Democrat all my life but I've just about F had it and I'm about to end that idea and relationship.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:59 AM
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1. I feel your pain.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:02 AM
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2. I didn't know they had made that trip.
Has the count been finalized?
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:06 AM
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3. I'm sorry, my bad, it was an official letter from Pelosi and Reid....
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 10:09 AM by Sarah Ibarruri
Here's what the threat they made was about:

http://tiquicia-cr.blogspot.com/2007/10/us-warns-costa-rica-against-rejecting.html

Up to 6 p.m. Sunday when the polls closed, people were asking ME what to do. These were people who had intended to vote no, but because I live in the U.S. they were counting on me to tell them whether or not Pelosi and Reid's threats were true.

I hadn't even KNOWN these 2 had made threats. I mean, here I am on my vacation, ready for a little fun, and these two Congressional clowns caused CHAOS in the country I was enjoying my vacation in. The headlines were spoke of the threat and what awful things would happen to Costa Rica if it didn't vote yes to please the U.S.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:10 AM
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5. Let's back up. Their letter says they do not support the threats
made by the Administration:

Schwab also took issue with a recent letter from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi that said Costa Rica would not lose current U.S. trade benefits if the pact is rejected.

"Participation in the CBI is not conditioned on a country's decision to approve or reject a free trade agreement with the United States, and we do not support such a linkage," the Democratic leaders said in a letter to Costa Rica's ambassador to the United States.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:40 AM
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16. Pelosi and Reid got involved when it went to referendum and they knew it was 80% against
Why couldn't they just shut the F up and leave Costa Rica alone?

I can tell you why but you wouldn't like it.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:41 AM
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19. Did you read their statement?
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dmosh42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:07 AM
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4. Corporations rule everything.........
Many Mexicans found out also, that these agreements are for the huge conglomerates to gain overall control. And whether it's Democarat or Repub., most are doing the bidding of the corporations. There's only a handful of the 'old' working man's friend way of thinking left in the Democratic party. As a life member of a union, I knew where my enemy was, and he wasn't always Viet Cong, or Red Chinese, but in the board room of the big corporations. Now with pretty much controlled media, we get singular messages telling us what's good for the 'middle class'.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:11 AM
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6. Corporations are ruling the Democrats quite nicely obviously.
I can't tell you how PISSED OFF I am.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:14 AM
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7. no comforting words only more disgust and disdain for our leaders
from me. why oh why do americans allow their country, our country, to do the things they do is beyond me.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:16 AM
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8. There seems to have been a misunderstanding. Pelosi and Reid
didn't do that. See my post above.

Whew!
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:17 AM
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9. No they did not!
Pelosi and Reid are good people! Bush is a bastard.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:37 AM
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12. Pelosi and Reid did not threaten Costa Rica?
Where do you get that? So it's all a figment of our imagination.

And why do congressional Democrats want to pass all treaties that enrich the rich and demolish the poor?

Come to think of it, Clinton was (is?) one of the most rich people treaty-loving people of all and he's supposedly not a Repugnican.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:39 AM
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15. See my post #5, Sarah. And remember,
when CAFTA passed in the House, it only passed by two votes and because the Republics held the voting open for 45 minutes longer than House rules permit. Shameful arm twisting that night. And the Democrats voted against it.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:40 AM
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17. All I care about is that my political party is doing a lot of F'd up stuff in this country....
to our people, and to other countries. That's all I'm noticing.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:42 AM
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20. I agree but it doesn't look like they did this f'd up thing
unless I'm missing something. :)
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:46 AM
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23. Then why are they/were they involved in promoting CAFTA?
Because they've been hypnotized? Are comatose? Which is it?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:49 AM
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25. Could you show me where they have? I'm not finding it.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:40 AM
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18. yes, it's a figment of your imagination.
Read the letter from them, reassuring Costa Ricans that if they voted no, there would NOT be repercussions.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:39 AM
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14. Whew is right
Thanks 'cause my bp was rising somthing fierce
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:38 AM
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13. It's sickening isn't it? I'm getting very tired of both parties.....
I've been a diehard Democrat all my life. I think Dem politicians are destroying that for me.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:45 AM
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22. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU??
Don't you even read your own links. It was bushco's trade rep, Susan Schwab who made the threats, and Pelosi and Reid who bashed her and bushco for them. From YOUR link:

"Schwab also took issue with a recent letter from Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi that said Costa Rica would not lose current U.S. trade benefits if the pact is rejected."

Reid and Pelosi stood up for the Costa Rican opposition to CAFTA.

sheesh.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:46 AM
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24. What's wrong with me is that my patience has finally reached its limit....
I will no longer defend DEMS that are promoting Bush policies. Period. End of story. The party is over for Dems that are promoting Bush's ideologies.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:50 AM
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26. You stated something that is NOT TRUE
I'm sure it was initially an honest mistake, but you keep insisting that Pelosi and Reid were in cahoots with bushco and on the wrong side of this issue. They weren't and yet you won't back down from your initial claim despite having been proven wrong.

That makes what you are now doing, out and out prevarication.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:54 AM
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27. Sorry, I just got back and am tired......
Between traveling from one end of CR to the other, and listening to the pissed off condition of Costa Ricans, then coming back to this really messed up country, I'm just about at the end of my rope.

I'm online with a Costa Rican friend I made over there and he said to calm down, and sent me this:

http://ww4report.com/node/4536
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:59 AM
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30. No problem. I understand what jet lag
and culture shock can do. And btw, Bernie Sanders wrote a great anti-Cafta piece in the WSJ last week. I'll try and find it for you.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:00 AM
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32. I seriously don't understand why the Dems are so relaxed in Congress with all the shit
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 11:03 AM by Sarah Ibarruri
How COULD THEY? Why are we electing them if they're so relaxed. What's going on?

I don't think it's the jet lag.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:10 AM
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36. Well, the leadership- particularly Pelosi's sucks.
And her lieutanants are really bad- Hoyer and Emanuel, but the Progressive Caucus is working hard, and I know that there are quite a few Senators that aren't exactly relaxed. It's just not a critical mass. They're fractured, and without effective leadership, they're impotent.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:13 AM
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39. I don't even think it's a lack of leadership. These people.....
... they have been known to be great leaders. Now, tho, they're kissing Bush ass for reasons I don't understand. Have they been threatened? Have their families been threatened? What's wrong with these people? They don't stand against what they need to stand against. They're like mollusks sitting in a shell, half asleep, enjoying themselves.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:15 AM
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40. No they haven't been great leaders in the past.
And in any case, leading a dispirited and ineffectual minority is not the same as leading a small and fractured majority.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:31 AM
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42. At least Reid has. I've seen him incredibly spirited.
Now he's as if he's taken drugs... in a daze.

As for Pelosi, I've seen her incredibly driven. Of course that may have been when she was running for office.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:12 AM
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37. Does your friend know if the ballot count has been finalized? n/t
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shirlden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:25 AM
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10. I was in C. R. in June
Fell in love with the country and the people. I was watching that vote closely and shed tears when I heard it had passed. This will not be a good thing for the Ticos. The good news is that in reading the history of the country, the Ticos, who are very passive, will rise up to protect their country and way of life. I hope this is not the end and as they realize what a mistake this is, they will work to change it rather than let Cafta change them.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:35 AM
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11. This will be horrible for the Ticos and they know it....
ALL of them, even higher professionals, said it would be bad but were scared of the U.S. threats. I agree it's a beautiful country and a beautiful people. The U.S. is making sure they get demolished.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:44 AM
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21. Read this article - why are Democrats promoting everything Bush wants? What the F is going on?

National Latino Congreso to Congress: Oppose Bush's NAFTA Expansions!
NEWS RELEASE, October 7, 2007

National Latino Congress Unanimously Passes Resolution Calling on U.S. Congress to Stop Signing New Trade Agreements

Latino Leaders Say U.S. Cannot Address Immigration without Changing Course on Failed Trade Policy

Los Angeles, CA – Reflecting on the root causes of poverty and migration in Latin America, the National Latino Congreso has unanimously approved a resolution rejecting new trade agreements based on the North America Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), and calling on the U.S. to change its international economic policies, which so far are largely to be blamed for producing wealth and income inequalities abroad, as well as at home. In the case of Latin America, policies promoted by the U.S. have also resulted in the impoverishment and displacement of millions of rural inhabitants.

The resolution adopted on Saturday Oct. 6 by delegates of the Second National Latino Congreso , comes at a moment in which the U.S. Congress considers a new trade agreement with Peru, which largely mirrors NAFTA. The adopted resolution reads, in part:

“Therefore, be it resolved that the organizations present at the 2007 Latino Congreso, are strongly opposed to expanding the failed NAFTA and CAFTA through the “free trade” agreements between the United States and Peru, Colombia, and Panama, and will mobilize our constituencies to work in vehement opposition to their passage, and call on the U.S. Congress directly to reject these agreements.”

The resolution specifically condemns national lawmakers who are attempting to push anti-immigrant legislation while continuing to push for expansion of trade and economic policies that force families to emigrate in the first place. More than 1,000 Latino leaders present applauded the passage of the resolution, calling it an important step towards addressing the obvious link between current U.S. trade and economic policies, and migration.


Continue reading "National Latino Congreso to Congress: Oppose Bush's NAFTA Expansions!" »

Posted by Todd Tucker at 12:00 pm in Andean and Panama FTAs , CAFTA , Death Star Deal , FTAA / Latin American alternatives , Immigration , NAFTA , Social movements | Permalink | Comments (0) | TrackBack (0)
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:58 AM
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28. What's going on? We live under one party corporate rule- that's what.
Mussolini defined it as corporatism, or more simply put
fascism.

Slow and insidious, it is spreading.

BHN
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 10:59 AM
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29. I am so totally sick of this subservience to Bush. I don't understand. nt
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:00 AM
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31. Yor realize that Pelosi and Reid
wrote a letter opposing the bush position, right?
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:01 AM
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33. I think Pelosi and Reid need to stop kowtowing to Bush and speak out publicly daily against him
In EVERYTHING. They need to speak up for IMPEACHMENT. That's what I think.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:13 AM
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38. I agree, but in this case they weren't wrong and shouldn't
have opprobrium heaped on their heads for something they didn't do.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:28 AM
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41. The Democrats did not promote CAFTA or threaten Costa Rica. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:04 AM
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34. Forbes: Nancy Pelosi, CAFTA Contra
http://www.forbes.com/business/2005/07/29/pelosi-cafta-dunce-cz_rk_0729dunce.html

Pelosi: CAFTA a step backwards for workers

http://www.house.gov/pelosi/press/releases/July05/CAFTA2.html

Free Trade Pact Faces Trouble

"I don't like Cafta; I am not going to vote for it; and I will do whatever I can to kill it," said Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the minority leader. "We are approaching a trillion-dollar trade deficit. We can't survive as a viable, strong country doing that."

http://www.globalexchange.org/campaigns/cafta/3047.html

Harry Reid on the Issues:

"Voted NO on implementing CAFTA for Central America free-trade. (Jul 2005)"

http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Harry_Reid.htm

:shrug:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 11:07 AM
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35. WaPo: Free Trade Fight Reflects Broader Battle
Renewal of Costa Rica Pact Protracted Tensions Over Control of U.S. Foreign Policy

By Peter Baker
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, October 12, 2007; Page A04

The vote was barely 24 hours away when President Bush's aides held an emergency conference call at 10:45 p.m. last Friday. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) had sent a letter that could sink a U.S.-led free trade agreement up for referendum in Costa Rica. The Bush team decided to put out its own statement to save it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/11/AR2007101102272.html
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 12:30 PM
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43. I read a thread here at DU last week on CAFTA/Costa Rica, and asked about the
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 01:28 PM by Peace Patriot
transparency of the voting system. The poster (someone who knows Costa Rica well) said that the unions and other anti-CAFTA forces were prepared with many hundreds of volunteers to monitor the polls--but was unclear about the METHOD of vote counting. I have since found out that Costa Rica has electronic voting machines, but I'm having a hard time finding details on the internet. AT&T and Unisys were initially involved in electronic voting development in Costa Rica.

This may be the problem (with the CAFTA vote). How it works here is that corporations privatized the vote counting--with a $3.9 billion electronic voting boondoggle from the Anthrax Congress--by selling the state/county governments voting systems run on 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code, owned and controlled by rightwing corporations--code so secret that not even our secretaries of state are permitted to review it--with virtually no audit/recount controls. The U.S. vote counting system was thus made completely riggable--one hacker, a couple of minutes, leaving no trace, that's all it takes. THEN, the corporate news monopolies--with Karl Rove feeding the corporate news monopolies their copy--started creating a plausible narrative for the triumph of the corporate, or associated far rightwing, cause, or candidate (Bush/Cheney, war, looting the federal government, "free trade," anti-gay marriage) at the polls. They manipulate pre-election polls, and they outright doctor exit polls (U.S.A.--2004) to support this plausible narrative. They thus demoralize the opposition--they get in your head, so that YOU start repeating parts of their plausible narrative--and may actually reduce the vote by this method, although it doesn't matter if they affect actual votes--they have direct, secret code control of the outcome: their main purpose is to deflect suspicion that votes have been switched or 'disappeared.'

That's the basic system. They pour multi-millions into advertising (brainwashing) both to change votes and to demoralize opposition voters, but also--very importantly--to support the feasible narrative that the candidate or cause, that is so obviously BAD for most people, is actually 'winning,' and/or to make it appear to be so close that stealing it, electronically, will not raise eyebrows. (I'm sure they did this in 2004. I don't think it was even close between Bush and Kerry. I think Kerry won by a landslide.)

I don't know which of the election theft corporations is active in Costa Rica. Nor do I know for certain what Costa Rica's system is or that the CAFTA vote was outright stolen. But when I heard that the votes were tabulated electronically, all red flags went up.

Privatized vote counting with "trade secret code" is the biggest scam in the history of democracy, and all such systems are highly vulnerable to insider tampering, with or without a "paper trail." The ONLY way to verify such an "election" is with a significant audit--say in the 55% range (as they have in Venezuela*). But these private election theft corporations lobby heavily and successfully either for no audit at all (paperless voting machines--no recount possible), or for a very minimal and manipulable audit (like the 1% audit in some states in the U.S.--with many states having ZERO audit). So even if Costa Rica has a paper trail, the "election" can still be EASILY stolen.

The safest verification is paper ballots hand-counted IN PUBLIC, with results posted immediately in a public place.

The CAFTA vote may have been a combination of U.S. (and 'Democratic' Party) threats, the propaganda blast (the feasible narrative), and switching and 'disappearing' votes. Costa Rica doesn't seem to have the additional blatant vote suppression against poor and minority voters, such as we have seen in Ohio and Florida (needed to keep George Bush in office in 2004, in ADDITION to "trade secret" vote counting). It appears that Costa Ricans are more vigilant than we are, and do not let things like that happen. But no one can be vigilant against 'TRADE SECRET' vote counting. You can't SEE it. And it is very difficult to detect.** It's the perfect system for establishing and cementing fascist power.

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*Venezuela uses electronic voting, but they have an OPEN SOURCE CODE system--anyone may review the code by which the votes are tabulated--and they hand-count a whopping 55% of the votes as a check on machine fraud. These are the only circumstances in which electronic voting should be permitted--open source code, a voter-verified ballot, and a significant hand-count. (Our 0% to 1% audit is a joke.) (Not funny, though.)

**See www.truthisall.net for an awesome analysis of the 2004 election, based on the discrepancy between the exit polls (Kerry won)--before the exit polls were doctored by the corporate news networks, to force them to fit the results of Diebold/ES&s's "trade secret" formulae (Bush won). Combined with other evidence--such as the Democratic grass roots blowout success over the Bushites in new voter registration in 2004, nearly 60/40--it is an overwhelming case for a stolen 2004 election. And when you figure this fraudulent e-voting system was still in place in 2006, maybe that explains how a 'Democratic' Congress, with a breathtaking SEVENTY PERCENT anti-war mandate from the American people could, instead, escalate the war, re-fund it with $100 billion in supplemental (borrowed) money, and give Bush/Cheney more spying powers. In Costa Rica, the anti-CAFTA majority stood at about 80%, last I heard. That's why I suspect an electronically stolen election--but we need more info on their system.


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EDITED: To take back the part, above, about "Democratic threats" against Costa Rica. There were no such threats, as investigators here have shown. Pelosi and Reid did NOT threaten Costa Rica. It was BUSH JUNTA threats only--which Pelosi and Reid publicly opposed.

My last paragraph, above (just before the footnotes) should read:

"The CAFTA vote may have been a combination of U.S./BUSHITE threats, the propaganda blast (the feasible narrative), and switching and 'disappearing' votes."
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 12:57 PM
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44. That's odd because I asked arcos and was told they use paper.
Because of course, I had a worry about that last minute "surge" of support for CAFTA when even a kid can see the Republicans are on their way out here and that the Democrats have been steadily against CAFTA. :shrug:

Another strange thing, when I search for news out of Costa Rica, I find nothing newer than 10/11. That makes no sense to me as you'd think that their papers would be highlighting this story right now.
:tinfoilhat:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 01:10 PM
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45. Want to read something truly hair-raising? Read this report on corporate vote counting.
I went looking for details on Costa Rica's voting system, and the best info I found is that it's run by the Unisys Corporation--which partners with ES&S (very bad dudes--I mean, really bad), Dell and Microsoft. I found the info at Lynn Landes' site (she's a veteran election fraud investigater from way back).

You will be horrified by what's in this report--the most comprehensive I've seen on who is 'counting' (or rather stealing) our elections. The Defense Dept, CIA, Republican Party, far rightwing billionaire and christianist connections, and inter-relatedness on boards and subsidiaries, of the fascists who are now determining our election outcomes with "trade secret" programming code will....shock you...and will explain a lot.


http://www.thelandesreport.com/VotingMachineCompanies.htm
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 01:13 PM
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46. Thank you. I will read it.
Edited on Sun Oct-14-07 01:13 PM by sfexpat2000
We can't stop working on this issue if we're ever going to get out of this horrible, horrible ditch.

Thanks for keeping it up front and center.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 01:51 PM
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47. I can't find anything definitive on the Costa Rica election system. Still looking.
They experimented with e-voting (AT&T, Uniys), early on, then delayed it, but seem to have it now--but I don't know if they have it everywhere, or spottily, or just central tabulators (that's enough to rig it), or if they have a "paper trail" (or a real ballot backup), or what kind of audit/recount rules they have. No details. Landes says Uniys runs their system, but maybe she's just basing that on Uniys' early development, not implementation. I'm still not 100% sure what their system is.

Someone upthread mentions lack of news out of Costa Rica for the last few days. I checked one corporate-looking news site: http://insidecostarica.com. NOTHING! Lousy site. Tico Times has a story...

http://www.ticotimes.net/topstory.htm

The margin is VERY THIN--easy pickins for "trade secret" vote counting machines...

"After a preliminary count, the Supreme Elections Tribunal (TSE) announced a thin but clear margin in the historic vote: 51.6% of valid votes supported the treaty and 48.4% rejected it. Nearly 60% of eligible voters turned out, far more than the 40% required to make the results binding."

It's looking more and more like Mexico, and Calderon vs. Amlo. 0.05% for the fascists. The narrower it gets, the easier it is to tweak to the right. (Mexico has paper ballots but ELECTRONIC central tabulators--which Calderon's brother had a hand in, I believe.)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 01:54 PM
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48. I don't believe it was close. Something's wrong here.
I guess we'll find out.

It makes no sense for Costa Rica to go for this when they know BushCo will be toast and soon. :shrug:
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