A 14 year old kid is dead in Cleveland. Shot by police after shooting fellow students.

[Stinky The Clown]

I HATE this shit.

I FUCKING HATE this shit.

[jus_the_facts]

1. Surely there must have been a noose in a tree on campus....

:evilfrown: :sarcasm:

[Daphne]

2. That brings the casualty toll to five.

This is so damn tragic. WTF is wrong with our system that makes it so easy for kids to get hold of guns with no supervision? He had two handguns.

Another needless tragedy.

Kid on MSNBC siad the shooter got beat up a couple of days ago for saying "fuck god."

[Stinky The Clown]

3. They said the kid was on suspension from "an incident" the other day.

I hadn't heard that reason, though.

[stray cat]

4. Reported the shooter died from a self-inflicted gun shot

Still a shame either way.

[wildbilln864]

5. Yes that's...

how I heard it was reported also.

[Stinky The Clown]

6. I hadn't heard that, but it makes as much (or as little) sense as anythng

Senseless.

Totally senseless.

People woke up this morning. Most were probably in reasonably good moods.

Bang.

I HATE this shit.

[karlrschneider]

7. Apparently he shot himself. That's good, saves a lot of hassle.

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[Stinky The Clown]

8. He was a 14 year old kid, fer krissakes. Obviously with problems.

He has a mother.

And a father.

He's dead after doing something awful.

[karlrschneider]

11. Like I said, he did something awful and now he's out of the way.

good riddance.

[Stinky The Clown]

15. Pretty fucking heartless sentiment.

Yeah, he was a bad kid. No argument.

But he was 14 and now he's dead and you seem pleased.

Oh well.

[Selatius]

32. A lot of people would make such comments, especially if their own kids got gunned down.

Not justifying it, but I would say that kind of reaction is more prevalent than one could possibly think.

[karlrschneider]

33. How is it different from a rabid dog that has attacked an infant?

When animals go defective, the best thing is to euthanize them before they do more harm. It ain't rocket science.

[varkam]

42. For one, we're talking about a person and not a dog.

For another, your line of argument is a strawman, as I don't think anyone is arguing that his death was unneccessary - as if he is intent on killing someone then self-defense is appropriate. I think what people are taking issue with is that you seem to be reveling in his death and unable to simultaneously mourn his death as well as the deaths of those people murdered by him.

[karlrschneider]

47. Why would I mourn him? He was a totally worthless, defective animal.

Absolutely no humanly redeeming human value. Nor was I reveling, just observing that he saved the system a lot of time, trouble and money. That -is- a small consolation to emerge from the whole clusterfuck. By the way, he didn't kill anybody but it sure as fuck wasn't from lack of trying.

[varkam]

49. He's not a worthless, defective animal.

If that's what you tell yourself to make yourself feel better, then go right ahead - though it doesn't change the reality. He was a human being who, for one reason or another, committed a terrible act. It doesn't change the fact that the kid was still human.

[fortyfeetunder]

57. At one time he was someone's son - but something snapped.

And I am sorry his life got so mucked up that he had to resort to gun violence thinking it would accomplish something for him.

I have the same level of sympathy for the VA Tech shooter, and for their families who survive them, in addition to all the victims who suffered.

Mental illness is still a stigma in our society and this is what we reap from perpetuating it as a stigma.

[Chovexani]

51. My, how Republican of you. (n/t)

[karlrschneider]

53. Yeah, I keep forgetting that Democrats aren't allowed to use defensive measures

to stop violent crime. Even when it's a "Goth" white boy shooting negroes.

[varkam]

55. Strawman. eom

[Scout]

56. par for the course for that poster.... n/t

[JVS]

59. I'm sure that Karl would prefer an ideal situation where neither the kid nor his victims were dead

To call him pleased is incorrect.

[MonkeyFunk]

26. wow...

that's sick.

[Sock Puppet]

28. Cool! When you put barrel to mouth, maybe we can say the same thing.

:hi:

[karlrschneider]

34. I would hope I would have the integrity to do that if I had shot a bunch of innocent

people. The kid actually did the honorable thing.

[yodermon]

37. we need to find out why he broke

so that it can be prevented.

[karlrschneider]

43. No argument there. But prevention is pretty academic after the fact, isn't it?

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[yodermon]

38. and if it was your kid who did it?

the kid was broken. find out why he was broken instead of reveling in his death.

[karlrschneider]

48. Relief is not reveling. Try 1-800-ABCDEFG

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[TheUniverse]

62. You realise its comments like these that cause the kids to do these horrible acts.

[varkam]

10. No, it's not good.

:eyes:

[karlrschneider]

12. I guess "good" would be to give him a fucking medal...

:eyes:

[againes654]

13. No but.....

"out of the way" is very insensitive. He was a KID. Obviously he had problems, major problems, and I don't in any way excuse what he did, but HELLO do you realize what you are saying.

I am hoping that you are being sarcastic, and I just missed it.

[skip fox]

16. Remember 14? Remember how young you were, even though you felt otherwise.

It seemes like this kid had barely the time to wake up.

Maybe thee is true evil at that age, but I think if so it is very rare. I doubt this is one of the cases.

More like a very disturbed and confused young man. The ENTIRE incident is distressing.

[varkam]

18. No - I just happen to realize that the shooter was a human being, as well.

Not to mention a child - so I don't consider it "good" that he shot himself, nor do I consider it "good" that he shot other people. The whole thing is a tragedy. I'm sorry that point is lost on you.

[Bluebear]

35. Stick around.

:(

[karlrschneider]

36. The innocent people who were shot is the tragedy. The perp's suicide

is a fortunate solution.

[varkam]

39. I'm sure you'd be willing to tell that to his parents.

Rather than post anonymously on the internet.

[Name removed]

40. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[varkam]

45. How very mature.

Well, I'm not a madame (and my name isn't Goober), and I didn't know if you used your real name or not (as most people do not). So please forgive my assumption that (a) you were not using your real name as a handle and (b) that you would be unwilling to tell this childs parents how happy you are that their child killed himself.

[karlrschneider]

50. His parents killed themselves? So the carnage continues.

Amazing.

[varkam]

54. Sorry - typo.

That their child killed himself. I'm sure that you probably understood what I was trying to say, despite my temporary inability to say it.

[yodermon]

41. Very shorsighted. I'm beginning to think you're aroused by his death.

Better if he had survived so that we could find out what went wrong inside his head, learn from it, and maybe prevent other such occurrences.
nah fuck it, let's just dance naked under the full moon in celebration of another wasted life.

[karlrschneider]

52. I leave the full moon naked dancing to the whatchamacallits.

Forget the name...

[skip fox]

9. When I was in seventh grade, none of us could have conceived of doing such.

We were struggling with the times table or history or girls or our bodies' sudden spurts. Life seemed so complicated, but rich and worthwhile.

That was nearly fifty years ago. I miss such a world (but not its civil rights nor its military aggression) in which to raise children. Everyone should have it as well as I did.

[Tafiti]

63. I was in 7th grade in 1993.

Sounds pretty much like my experience. Quite a lot has changed in the last 15 years, nevermind 50. It's hard to put your finger on exactly what's happening - could be a lot of things.

[Mandate My Ass]

14. A 15-yr-old was shot dead by police in Philly the other day

for coming out of his bedroom holding a clothing iron. His mother had called in a domestic dispute regarding the boy. The two cops had over 50 yrs combined experience and they couldn't disarm a slightly built teenager brandishing a small electrical appliance without shooting him in the chest and killing him. Good grief. It seems like it's open season.

Link here: http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news/state/pennsylvania/10406212.html

[Stinky The Clown]

17. Its the inflated myth of 'security'

Zero tolerance

Mistrust everyone and anyone

Shoot-Ready-Aim-Think

[Mandate My Ass]

20. The officers had pepper spray and stun guns

IMHO, neither of those was necessary either. It went right to "Shoot-Ready-Aim-Think" in the bat of an eyelash.

[CRF450]

19. Suspects can easily ge shot in a situation like that

The cops wont know innicially what it is in the hand but they have to make quick desisions if its supposedly a leathal weapon.

[Mandate My Ass]

22. It shouldn't be that easy to take life from a child. (eom)

[CRF450]

29. Its very unfortunate that it happened...

But when a suspect comes running out with an object in hand, the officers have to make a fast gudgment before someones life is possibly ended, they have to look out for their own safety and others as well.

[brentspeak]

21. Yeah, but that incident has nothing to do with the Cleveland incident

The kid in today's shooting shot himself.

[onenote]

23. what does this have to do with the Cleveland situation: the kid shot himself

[Mandate My Ass]

24. The OP said he was killed by cops

It sounded like same old same old to me. :shrug:

[onenote]

25. a lesson learned: read through a thread before posting

just a suggestion

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

30. The OP also said he shot fellow students

But apparently the police have to "take a few for the team" now before they shoot......

[KamaAina]

27. Yahoo: *Gunman* dies, 5 injured at Ohio school

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071010/ap_on_re_us/school_shooting

Gunman. A 14-year-old is now referred to as a gunman.

Where did our humanity go? Could someone please bring it back? No questions asked...

[Lance_Boyle]

69. because 'gundolescent' sounded trite. n/t

[fujiyama]

31. School shootings are now as American as baseball and apple pie!

[porphyrian]

44. Shooting kids who shoot kids teaches kids not to shoot kids. - n/t

[lonestarnot]

46. I read he suicided. Which is it?

[EFerrari]

58. Another preventable tragedy.

I hate it, too.

[Laurier]

60. Yeah, he could have prevented it by not shooting others

and himself.

Unquestionably tragic.

[EFerrari]

64. It's likely that 25 people knew this kid had a problem.

Now they have to live with the fact that they blew their opportunity.

[Laurier]

65. It's "likely"?

Do you have any evidence of that beyond your personal credulity?

[EFerrari]

66. It's not credulity. The kid interacted with family, classmates

faculty and administrator at minimum. When you push on these cases, that's what you find.

[piedmont]

68. Here's some...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21243671/

Yeah, they fucking knew.

[Swamp Rat]

61. so sad

tragic :(

[Xenotime]

67. All the more reason to ban guns. How many times do I have to say it.