Where do all the Hillary supporters hang out?

[RiverStone]

No sarcasm intended.

With all due respect to those of you supporting Hillary on DU, a common theme keeps coming with with my Dem friends and family. None of us can fathom where all these (vast number of) Dems hang out that support Hillary? Where do they live or even chill in cyberspace? We know those in the HRC camp are in the minority on DU; yet the disconnect is that the MSM touts her continued lead among a majority of Dems in many polls. I'd like to meet this "majority". Not one person in my circle of friends or family are supporting HRC in the primaries. Of course, the neutrality and truth quotient of the MSM is a thread for another time.

Checking out posts at other progressive sites such as KOS, also reflect a minority representation of HRC support compared to the other candidates. Are there message boards/blogs that represent the "right wing" of the Democratic party? We got our conservative Blue Dogs Dems down south; but they are almost indistinguishable from rethugs anyway.

If all these Dems coast to coast are theoretically supporting Hillary, why do we not see them here in greater numbers? I know we are to the left of center on DU, but we still are Democratic eh?

I ask simply because I'd greatly enjoy meeting all the theoretical throngs of Hillary supporters on their turf. We all enjoy lively debate. Any clue where they hang out, particularly in cyberspace?



peace~ :)

[WilliamPitt]

1. From what I've seen,

it ain't much fun for Hillary fans around here.

Besides, they may all be out, like, campaigning and canvassing and stuff. Ya know, instead of posting? Maybe they're working on the campaign? Crazy, I know, but it might just be true.

;)

[BlooInBloo]

4. Thanks for your thread, btw. It was very clarifying.

[WilliamPitt]

Which one?

[BlooInBloo]

11. The vote for the eventual nominee one.

[WilliamPitt]

20. Hm.

Do you have a link? Unless I sleepwalked that topic into a thread, I don't remember writing about that since '04.

Weird.

[BlooInBloo]

22. lol! Phew - you had me questioning MY memory...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1930181

[WilliamPitt]

30. Oh shit. Right.

What a mess that turned into.

I really needed to make sure the whole board hadn't gone totally sideways on me. That thread really helped. Glad it helped you, too.

:toast:

[TwilightZone]

46. Frankly, that thread was a shock.

I knew that DU tended to be dominated by a relatively small group of rather vociferous individuals, but the size of the, shall we say, relatively quiet majority indicated by that thread was eye-opening.

[RiverStone]

48. That was a great thread!

It reminded us all that when the dust settles, the vast majority of DUers will support whom ever it may be in the General.

I will do all I can to advocate for DK (or Al Gore in the event of a miracle), and question the anti-logic of supporting HRC. But, if she is the last one standing - once we move to the General, my criticism of her will end.

My disdain for the rethugs far exceeds my frustration and negativity I feel toward Hillary's antics.

I'm with the Dems all the way! :kick: Even if I remain mystified at who the heck is supporting Hillary????

[Emit]

Yeah, it might go down in DU history as the "'08 Blue List"

depending on how one may choose to use it. *evil grin*

[Cameron27]

15. Great answer

:thumbsup:

[Emit]

32. In my town

all the "grown ups" gravitated toward the Hillary camp -- you know, the ones with the money and the influence. Some of the other candidates don't even have campaign offices. It's left a lot of the grassroots out in the cold.

[NewHampster]

61. Will old friend

How goes the battle?

Your post above hit the nail on the head.

My house is split. I've been working for Hill since May and my wife is a "die hard" Obama person.

I spend one night a week at HQ on the phones.
2 hours a weekend canvassing.
2 meetings/month with my fellow regional steering committee members.
1 Letter to the editor every week for either Hillary, Carol Shea-Porter or Shaheen.
3 Saturdays hearing Edwards, Richardson and my former Senate candidates.
Twice I've sat in the back during health care focus groups.
Last Saturday all day at the Hillary Volunteers convention, pep rally.

My Wife the old Deaniac and Obama supporter

0 time on the phones so far
0 hours canvassing
1 house party attended to ogle Barack.
skipped two recent volunteer meetings

[WilliamPitt]

65. I heard a rumor

that a deal was struck between the Hillary and Barack camps, to wit: whichever one wins the nomination, the other gets tapped for VP. No manner of proof or backup...but if true, your "split" house may actually be a fully cohesive entity. :)

Good on you for the work. I don't give a damn which Dem anyone here supports, but the work you're doing for yours is a wonderful example for the forum as a whole.

:toast:

[NewHampster]

68. Thanks Will

and I hope you're right on the rumor.

[durrrty libby]

86. Lol ......your wife is doing great. How about our Sox. They rock

:toast: :hi: :loveya:

[WilliamPitt]

100. *koff* Pats *koff*

Gonna be a fun October.

Beckett --> Dice-K --> Shilling...not a bad battery to toss out for a five-game set.

P.S. We got Randy Moss for a fourth round draft pick.

*faint*

:)

[durrrty libby]

102. Yes, Boston sports fans have an embarrassment of riches

[BlooInBloo]

2. Many are here. Most have enough sense not to let it be known.

[Freddie Stubbs]

3. Ask the 350,000 people who have contributed to her campaign

[BobRossi]

8. Give us their phone numbers.

><

[Freddie Stubbs]

17. You'll have to look them up in the phone book, but here are a list of Clinton donors

from the 33139 zip code: http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/search.asp?sort=N&name=&state=&zip=33139&employ=&txtCand=&txtCID=N00000019&amt=a&txtSoft=N&cycle=2008

[ileus]

5. We'll get the last laugh when all of you vote for her in '08...n/t

[WilliamPitt]

7. That's the spirit.

The "last laugh." Christ.

Is this an election or a god damned play-yard shoving match?

Ha! Um...wait...

:eyes:

[aquart]

10. DU primaries, Pitt.

"Play-yard shoving match" would be a very gentle description.

[againes654]

13. "We'll get the last laugh when all of you vote for her in '08"

See this is what gets me. You ASSUME that she will get the nomination, and you ASSUME that all Democrats will vote for her. Why would that give you the last laugh, is there some sort of joke that I don't know about?

[Kelly Rupert]

14. If you don't, you'll get the last laugh

as the Republicans take the White House for the third time in a row.

[sniffa]

60. eh, they're stuck in fantasyLand

deLusionaL peopLe.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

53. That's Not Helpful

eom

[aquart]

6. Why don't you wonder why Kucinich doesn't exist in the polls?

That's really your problem, isn't it? There he is, your adored one, and the media and polls ignore him. Maybe you should post about that. Maybe you should spend your time saying why you and everyone you know is voting for him. He needs that help.

Try doing that instead of insinuating that the polls and media are all lying about Hillary's strength. The petty bitterness won't show so much that way.

[RiverStone]

23. Back to my original question...

Try doing that instead of insinuating that the polls and media are all lying about Hillary's strength.

I don't trust the MSM, but as I said in the OP - no sarcasm intended. My question is sincere aquart, given HRC's strength (as you say) - where do you go if you are a Hillary supporter on-line to feel in good company???

And as far as DK and all the other candidates, there is IMHO a media bias in place that gives a disproportionate amount of coverage to the upper tier. Analysis of the Dem debates to date reveal much more time given to Hillary, Obama, Edwards then Richardson, Dodd, Gravel, Kucinich. Some may say the big dogs earned their right to bigger shares of the pie, I assert it is the tail of the media wagging the dog. If the campaigns with more $$$ buy more advertising --- fine. But to use the public airwaves to promote one candidate over another --- wrong!

Believe me it is not just a DK question, but media/corporate bias runs rampant in our political system no matter what party your in (and it applies to both left and right candidates).

And BTW, I don't insinuate; I prefer to be direct.

[TahitiNut]

27. It's always easier to believe what we WANT to believe.

... no matter how false it may be. :shrug:

[Kelly Rupert]

9. DU is rather hostile to Hillary and her supporters.

Attempting to have any sort of discussion regarding Iraq, Iran, healthcare, or the upcoming elections with a Hillary avatar seems to lead to declarations that you're a DLC/Hillary propagandist who wants to see an unending war against Iraq and Iran, and who wants to see fascism at home. Hell, I get enough of that garbage as a Richardson supporter.

[ripple]

33. And a number of Hillary supporters are overtly hostile to others here

I'm not excusing anyone's bad behavior, but the door swings both ways.

[Kelly Rupert]

42. Yes, many of them are.

They're embarrassments to the party and their candidate.

[ripple]

59. Agreed, no matter who the candidate happens to be.

You know, I haven't noticed any of those tactics coming from Richardson supporters. You're obviously in good company. :)

[TahitiNut]

39. Isn't it possible that people are opposed to the positions she's taken?

I remember DU in 2002 and 3003 when many of us were appalled at the positions taken by Joe Lieberman, Gore's 2000 running mate on the Presidential ticket, fer krissakes. We had several 'cult-thinkers' who were outraged at the voice raised in opposition to the positions taken by Lieberman. The horror! One, our 'beloved' Carlos, was infamous for saying: "You dislike him because he's Jewish!"

As if. :eyes:

For some, the issues ARE important. For some, one need not steal from everyone on the street to be called a thief, or kill everyone on the street to be called a murderer. For many, "a little bit corrupt" is like "a little bit pregnant." This ALWAYS meets with disdain from the self-proclaimed pragmatists who then hurl ad hominems.

What's ironic about the reaction is that these self-proclaimed pragmatists emulate exactly the same behavior that they condemn, 'bashing' another person based solely on a single disagreement regarding their position vis a vis a candidate. But the feces flingers are blind to the irony.

Go figure. :shrug:

[Kelly Rupert]

41. I would assume that people are, yes.

I don't recall suggesting here that opposition to Hillary was a result of anything but.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. There's A Good Artcle In USA Today

Some excerpts:

Clinton's lead among African-Americans has widened by 9 percentage points, to 62%-34%.

Clinton's edge among those 65 and older has grown by 9 points, her strongest age group.

Clinton's strongest and most consistent support is among blue-collar workers. Those with annual household incomes of $30,000 or less prefer Clinton over Obama by 70%-27%, and her lead is nearly as big among people with a high-school education or less.


Obama's support among the most affluent Americans has grown by 9 points, making it the only major demographic group in which he doesn't trail Clinton.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-10-01-obama_cover_N.htm

[Mrs. Overall]

21. Ah, I was wondering about Hillary's support in terms of socio-economic status.

I'm a little surprised. I would have guessed that blue collar support would have leaned more toward Obama or Edwards.

Interesting!

[zippy890]

49. interesting

65 and older is her strongest age group - thats what I've been thinking, personally I've noticed older Dems talking about Hillary for Pres. My son's age group - 20's are all for Obama.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. Older Folks Are The Most Likely To Vote

eom

[Mountainman]

16. The majority of people have not gotten as interested in the election as you have.

The polls call people whether they hang out on the web or not. You make a mistake trying to tie the two together.

Most people have not made up their mind about the election which is over a year away. You are the exception and you act as if everyone else gives a shit about it.

[RiverStone]

43. Yea --- spend way more time on DU then in front of my TV

In fact, I've never even seen one episode of Survivor

Guess I'm outta the loop (or they are) :shrug:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. I Will Make This Simple And I Think The Data Backs Me Up

First principles...

Let's not confuse the empirical (the way things are) with the normative (the way things ought to be)...

Hillary's support is coming from African American folks, downscale Democratic voters, older folks, and single women... These are not the folks who spend lots of time in the blogoshpere...

Sometimes the blogosphere is a big echo chamber for those on the left and right and they miss what most ordinary folks are up to...

[BlooInBloo]

24. "descriptive" is the contrast you're after.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. These " I Have Never Met A Hillary Supporter"

posters remind me of the woman on the Upper East Side of Manhattan who was flummoxed by Nixon's 72 landslide ... She said she never met a person who voted for him...


I had a right wing boss who told me with a straight face in 1994 he never met a person who voted for Bill Clinton...

[BlooInBloo]

29. I hear ya. DUers say that Clinton supporters are republicans, corporatists...

... and whatever else. Then, when Clinton supporters FOR SOME REASON don't show themselves, DUers claim Cliton's lead is a media hoax.

Bravo, DUers.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

62. That's How Ahmadinejad Could Say There Are No Gays In Iran

He scared all of them into the closet...

[RiverStone]

40. ok, well...maybe on a city bus or waiting in the movie line...

I have technically "met" a HRC supporter. Probably should not use the word "never".

Though I do not jest - NONE of my Dem friends or folks in my family - thats parents, brothers, et. al. support HRC. That includes both family in California and New York.

No, they don't all support DK - most are Obama or Edwards folks - but all see HRC as a more moderate extension of the right's agenda.

[RiverStone]

36. that makes some sense...

Yea DemocratSinceBirth, maybe a good reality check is in order. I do appreciate your point regarding the demographics of HRC supporters not spending lots of time on the blogosphere.

Yet even at that, the disconnect between what I find on progressive blogs and what I hear reported in the MSM is so vast, that I seek a more rational explanation.

Of course, DU and they way lots of us think is maybe out there more than I want to admit? Out there in a good way of course!

[EFerrari]

37. The article Greta quoted from this morning that profiled

Obama and Clinton supporters does back you up. Sorry, I can't remember the venue. I'm surprised no one has posted it yet.

[rinsd]

19. You can find quite a few of us in GD-P.

Though its hardly our "turf".

[book_worm]

25. I remember all the DU polls in '03 and early '04--Dean, DK, and Clark always ran ahead of Kerry

the eventual nominee.

[Cleita]

26. I have noticed a lack of support for Hillary among my

Democratic peers where I live too and I am fairly active in the local Party so I talk to many Democrats during the month. There is one Hillary supporter that I know, a very, nice and pleasant lady whose also a bit daffy. So there you have it.

[Captain Hilts]

45. The only person you know supporting HRC is "daffy?" What are you trying to say? nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

55. I Did A Search Of My Zip Code 32746 -For A Lark

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/search.asp?txtCID=N00000019&name=%28all%29&employ=%28any+employer%29&state=%28all%29&zip=32746&submit=OK&amt=a&sort=A

The attorney whose name is there successfully handled my mom's civil appeal... She won a medical malpractice verdict and the defendant (doctor) appealed it...


My mom's attorney is a Hillary supporter... She was voted one of the nation's top one hundred trial attorneys ... She has had several eight figure verdicts.... I believe John Edwards won the honor at one time...

I'm not a Hillary lover but to suggest her supporter are "daffy" is beyond silly...

I wish I was nearly as successful as those two women...

[emilyg]

75. How did u do the zip search???

[DemocratSinceBirth]

77. Click The Link And Follow The Instructions

eom

[emilyg]

82. thanks.

[Cleita]

85. So in your mind daffy people can't have a political opinion,

only accomplished women attorneys?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

87. I Don't Think I Said That

But you did say the only person you know who supports Hillary Clinton is silly, foolish. or crazy:


daf·fy (dăf'ē)
adj. Informal., -fi·er, -fi·est.
Silly; foolish.
Crazy.

[Cleita]

88. No I said she was daffy.

Silly, foolish and crazy are very strong terms and I would never use them about this lady. You would know what I meant if you ever tried to have a conversation with her. She's very nice and a tad confused, but never silly, foolish or crazy.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

101. It's O K

PEACE

[Cleita]

83. She's a very nice lady, devoted to Democratic causes, however,

she is often referred to as "crazy Annie". However, she does support Hillary because she feels that Hillary is a feminist and she wants a woman President. The trouble with Annie is that she's still living in the era of the suffragettes. Never mind. We all love her.

[Beelzebud]

31. The Skull and Bones tomb at the Yale campus?

[durrrty libby]

34. I probably shouldn't reveal this, but what the heck

Once a week us "Hillbots" check in to one of the millions of hillpods,

to get our bolts tightened. It is very time consuming

[zippy890]

56. LOL

great reply

:rofl:

[Clark2008]

35. You'll be told (if you haven't already) that your circle of friends

isn't "vast" enough.

Mine aren't, so-and-so's aren't and neither are such-and-such's. Which, when put all together STILL makes one wonder where these HRC fans reside.

[Freddie Stubbs]

47. Plenty of them reside in my neighborhood:

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/search.asp?sort=N&name=&state=&zip=33139&employ=&txtCand=&txtCID=N00000019&amt=a&txtSoft=N&cycle=2008

[DemocratSinceBirth]

57. Me Too

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/search.asp?txtCID=N00000019&name=%28all%29&employ=%28any+employer%29&state=%28all%29&zip=32789&submit=OK&amt=a&sort=A

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/search.asp?txtCID=N00000019&name=%28all%29&employ=%28any+employer%29&state=%28all%29&zip=32746&submit=OK&amt=a&sort=A

[proud2BlibKansan]

76. None in my neighborhood

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/search.asp?txtCID=N00000019&name=%28all%29&employ=%28any+employer%29&state=%28all%29&zip=66202&submit=OK&amt=a&sort=A

And across the state line from me, an attorney from the firm involved with election fraud and the US attorney scandal is a $500 donor to Hillary. Mmmm. Very interesting.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/search.asp?txtCID=N00000019&name=%28all%29&employ=%28any+employer%29&state=MO&zip=64113&submit=OK&amt=a&sort=A

[snooper2]

38. MSNBC, CNN, Faux for starters...

eom

[Captain Hilts]

44. The Internet and weblog participation are very 'self-selecting' populations that don't accurately...

reflect likely voters.

Our friendships and personal associations are similarly self-selecting.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. Xactly

That's the problem with folks on the left and the right...They only talk to folks who think like them and consequently think everybody thinks likes them...It's going from the particular to the universal...

[Captain Hilts]

79. People get on the Internet for affirmation, not information. nt

[cynatnite]

52. Most of my friends are Hillary supporters...

We're a group of women of about every political stripe and with the exception of a couple, we all would love to see Hillary win. The other women that don't like her are repubs who don't like any of the candidates at all.

[RiverStone]

58. Noticed on your profile your from TN

Thanks for your example - and far from my home in the Northwest. I checked cause my original OP posed the question: where are all these HRC supporters?

How is Hillary playing in the South? My stereotype is the good ol Nascar dads won't vote for a woman (please excuse my stereotype - but I'm owning it as such).

peace~


BTW: I'm a UT Knoxville graduate - go Vols!

[cynatnite]

64. I think you're right about the men down here...

Most won't, IMO. A lot of women I know love the idea of a woman president, but that's not to say it's a majority of the women here. My husband is a Nascar dad, but he's a dem, too and he likes Edwards.

I think TN has a chance of going blue in '08. Ford came real close to winning here and I think the reason he didn't was based on race. In all honesty, I think Hillary has a far better chance of getting the majority of dem votes than Obama. Then Edwards might do pretty well, too. This is the south and the tendency for racism and sexism is still fairly strong.

[Zandor]

54. Two reasons

First, they are probably more likely to be out and involved in the campaign.

Second, the political center of DU is well to the left of the Democratic party. Hence, the moderate support will tend to be underrepresented here.

[roesch]

63. not hiding

I sometimes think that most of her backers are older Republicans who are hedging their bets- I can tell you the younger crowd is not interested but I suspect she will not do as well as everyone predicts-- or so I hope.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

66. I agree

because OxyRush said so.

[RiverStone]

67. Welcome to DU!

:hi: :headbang:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

69. Must Be A Lot Of African American Republicans

Must be a lot of African American Republicans including Charlie Rangel, Kendrick Meek, and Shelia Jackson Lee who are supporting Hillary because she's beating Obama in that category 62-34%...

[Freddie Stubbs]

70. Don't forget Ron Dellums

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jDSHa8Z_qzt50WfSguXy-ATuS7vAD8S0NRJ00

[DemocratSinceBirth]

71. I Used To Watch C-Span A Lot In The Early 80s...

He was one of the most liberal members of Congress...

Hillary's support is wide and deep...

It is what it is...

[Horse with no Name]

72. I know many people interested centrally and peripherally in politics

and I cannot think of ONE Democrat that supports Hillary--the rest run the gamut...Obama, Richardson, Biden, etc.

[Perry Logan]

73. I hate to tell you, but the Hillary supporters are all avoiding you. I can't imagine why.

[RiverStone]

78. wrong

Oh I've run into a few very passionate HRC supporters; believe me, they are not shy.

My goal on DU when it comes to disagreements, is to due so respectfully. I've heard nothing to the contrary nor ever been locked out for flaming.

Sure, do some on any side get too heated and offensive at times --- occasionally. But I would say most HRC supporters are willing to engage in thoughtful and even emotional debate, as long as we are cool about it. I disagree with your broad brush statement.

peace~

[DemocratSinceBirth]

80. IMHO, Her Appeal Is To Garden Variety, Long Time, Not Hyper Ideological Democrats

I think that's a winning formula...

Time will tell...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

81. And "Professional " Women Who Consciously Or Subconsciously Want To See The Glass Ceiling Shattered

But Good...

[Captain Hilts]

92. Yes, I think that's very true. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

95. You Must Be Devestated About The Mets

I lived in Forest Hills, NY till I was eleven and moved to FL...I went to a celebration for "the Miracles Mets" in 69...I saw all of the play at Shea-Koosman, Seaver, Gentry, Bud Harrelson, Cleon Jones-the whole gang...

I went back to visit in 75 and was literally three or four feet from Willie Mays when he parked his car to go to his job at Shea Stadium...

[DeepModem Mom]

74. DeepModem Dad lives here at the house, but not online. My best women friends...

also not online, are HRC supporters. They are strong women, and are saying to Hill, You go girl! A pretty high-powered businessman I know, voted for Bush twice, says he's through with voting on any kind of ideology. He sees competence and smarts in Hillary. These are all Democrats, except for the Republican businessman.

I'm for Obama; I'm online, and here at DU.

[ecstatic]

84. I don't think mainstream Dems hang out online or in blogs

Too busy trying to make ends meat. Just a guess. :shrug:

[dkofos]

89. Corporatist Underground

[sniffa]

90. the witches' caLdron

where they practice cackLing.

[Generator]

91. Oh snap!

But yes, it is worrisome. She LAUGHED when Gravel dressed her down over Iran. Fuck her. Iran is not funny. Her vote was not funny. It's rather serious-even if nothing ever happens-if it does-I will hold her and everyone else that voted for Kyl/Leiberman partly responsible.

[dailykoff]

93. I heard that laugh this morning and it was SCARY.

Democracy Now had Sy Hersch on and they played it for him and man, it was downright psychotic. The MSM are letting her skate on this one in my opinion.

[sniffa]

96. reaLLy? i keep hearing that it's charming

:rofl:

[dailykoff]

97. Coming after Gravel's remark it was chilling.

Maybe on TV it was charming but on the radio it was pretty disturbing, like she was getting off just imagining all those slaughtered Iranians. :puke:

[sniffa]

98. don't worry, you don't matter

the hiLLbots think her Laugh, (it's a Laugh, not a cackLe!) is the cat's pajamas. it shows the average joe that she has a sense of humor (terrifying and awdward humor, but who's counting).

[Individualist]

94. Wall Street

[DemocratSinceBirth]

99. O K

Clinton's strongest and most consistent support is among blue-collar workers. Those with annual household incomes of $30,000 or less prefer Clinton over Obama by 70%-27%, and her lead is nearly as big among people with a high-school education or less.


http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-10-01-obama_cover_N.htm