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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:54 AM
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Cocaine plane that crashed in Mexico this week linked to the Government?
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/world/story/20060.html

MEXICO CITY U.S. authorities are assisting the Mexican government in the investigation of an American business jet that crashed in Cancun this week with four tons of cocaine on board, officials said Thursday.

Some news reports have linked the plane to the transport of terrorist suspects to the U.S. detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, but those reports cite logs that indicate only that the plane flew twice between Washington, D.C., and Guantanamo and once between Oxford, Conn. (Bush's home town), and Guantanamo. No terrorist suspects are known to have been transferred to Guantanamo directly from the United States.

The jet, carrying the tail number N987SA, changed hands twice in recent weeks. But how it ended up in the hands of suspected drug traffickers remains a mystery.

The Mexican attorney general's office said the blue and white Gulfstream II crashed on Monday in a remote jungle area on the Yucatan Peninsula. Authorities seized 132 bags of cocaine weighing four tons. Two men were arrested and jailed on drug trafficking charges in Merida, officials said. They declined to identify the men, however.

McClatchy is withholding the names of the alleged new owners of the plane because they couldn't be reached for confirmation.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:02 AM
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1. Holy Iran/Contra!
But I don't understand whey they need to revive this innovative funding ploy when so much is being laundered through Iraq.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:15 AM
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5. Iran,,, and colombia
I would not doubt that these two are connected

Using the drugs to finance the dark funds to fund special teams in Iran

Remember Sly Hirsh has hinted that the teams are already in country... and colombia... we are fighitng a nasty war on drugs down there...

The more complex the weave is weaved...
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:48 AM
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13. From what I've read about Colombia, it's not a war on drugs, it's a war on
union organizers (chainsawed, body parts thrown into mass graves), small peasant farmers and political leftists (tortured and killed), and what's really going on is, a) pushing small farmers off their land--with pesticide spraying, torture and murder--so the big drug lords and corps like Chiquita and Monsanto can control the land; b) elimination of union organizers/intimidation of workers, on behalf of Chiquita, for instance (Chiquita just paid 25 million bucks to the Bush Junta, to buy them out of a wrongful death suit brought in the U.S. by family members of poor people whom Chiquita execs had paid rightwing paramilitaries to kill), and c) major drug and weapons trafficking fostered by Bush pouring BILLIONS of our tax dollars in military aid into the extremely corrupt, rightwing Uribe gov't.

The "war on drugs" may never have been anything more than a boondoggle for the war industry (including mercenaries--Blackwater is in Colombia, recruiting and training people for Iraq), but you can imagine just how corrupt it has become with the Bushites in charge. The Uribe gov't (Bush's pals) has been hit with a huge scandal (uncovered by courageous prosecutors, judges and humanitarian groups) about the very close ties between the Uribe gov't (president, head of the military, former head of security, etc.) to the rightwing paramilitaries who have been murdering leftists and have been involved in big drug trafficking.

And I don't imagine it's much different in Mexico, which is also receiving billions in military aid for the murderous and phony "war on drugs." In both cases, the package includes "free trade" (global corporate predation). "Free trade" impoverishes the bulk of the people; military aid then deals with protests and revolts. This is just what happened in Oaxaca, last year; "free trade" squeeze on the poorest workers--in this case, led by the teachers' union--and on small peasant farmers; a peaceful revolt gets organized and powerful and has staying power (six months!); fascist governor uses rightwing paramilitaries to kidnap, torture and kill union organizers, community elders, etc.; then federal police are sent in, on the side of the murdering governor, with top-of-the-line military equipment to cs gas the town, and crush the peaceful revolt. And now the rightwing election thief president of Mexico wants MORE billions from the U.S. for MORE helicopters, tanks, rifles, surveillance equipment, the lot.

The "war on drugs" is a dirty rotten racket, from top to bottom, from Colombia, where it funds rightwing death squads and promotes big drug and weapons trafficking, and big corporate interests, through several Bush client states (Peru, Mexico, Guatemala, et al) to the U.S. and our police state (the "prison-industrial complex")--and it wouldn't at all surprise me if the drugs were coming in through Guantanamo Bay. We are being tyrannized by the worst "mafia" the world has ever seen, in case anyone is under any delusions about what our government has become.

So I would argue with your phraseology--"we are fighting a nasty war on drugs down there" (in Colombia). It's not "we." The America people would vomit if they knew what was going on "down there." And it certainly is nasty--and much more, brutal, horrible--but it's not a "war on drugs." It's a war on the poor.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 04:31 AM
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16. You're so right! The right-wingers have transformed the "War on Poverty" to
the War on the Poor." Very ugly refocusing. Sinister, to put it charitably.

It's easy to see the war is the same, killing the relatives, neighbors of the earlier victims, and "Drugs" have simply replaced "Communism" as the banner revealing the phony excuse they are giving for slaughtering the peasants, villagers, union workers, human rights workers, grass roots Catholicism (liberation theology), the descendants of African slaves, and native Latin Americans.
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:49 AM
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42. As if there was ever an opportunity for "justice" from a court in Alabama
Drummond Cleared in Landmark Colombia Rights Case

U.S. coal company Drummond was acquitted of liability over the killing of three union leaders in 2001 at a mine it operates in Colombia.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:09 PM
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82. K&R, great summary n/t
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 04:28 PM
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87. And BW was just awarded a 15 Billion dollar contract for the *War on Drugs*
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bananarepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 05:45 AM
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170. The Taliban had almost eradicated the poppy crop before Uncle Sam's arrival! n/t
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:09 AM
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20. That laundry keeps losing all of the clothes.
Everything we send in never comes back.



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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:37 PM
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149. they should close the laundry
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:38 PM
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150. the oversight committee should look into this
if these planes are used by the US government
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 02:55 AM
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181. Please, the last thing any of our "leaders" ever want to know is what it is
our government is doing. If they know about something, they are negligent when they let it continue, as long as they can claim, "I didn't know", they're safe.



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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 07:22 PM
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188. maybe they are just too frightened?
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 01:55 AM
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189. They all wanted to sit in the big chair. You makes your bet, you takes your chances. n/t
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 08:21 AM
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35. It's not a funding ploy, it's a business.
Why wouldn't they want to make money?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:08 PM
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133. Maybe we're not all out fighting in Afghanistan because we don't want to hurt the poppy harvest.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:50 PM
Response to Reply #133
143. Nah...
Restricting the supply a bit never hurt the price.

Who's we, by the way?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:10 PM
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147. I mean the U.S. with "we".
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:33 PM
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62. Were there papers on the plane with "Cocaine" spelled phonetically? KO-KANE
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 07:23 PM
Response to Reply #62
116. Yes, but only for the benefit of the translators.
Actually, Bush has no problem pronouncing "ko-kayne." Years of practce, ya understand.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:10 AM
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2. So, is Guantanamo being used as a drug transhipment airfield?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:13 AM
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4. Well Ollie North used Miramar
you tell me... and Guantamo has the advantage of being OFF SHORE and far from prying eyes
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:47 PM
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142. and Palmerolla Air Force Base in Honduras
where the CIA loaded cocaine onto cargo planes. During the Iran / Contra Days
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:59 PM
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144. No wonder their heads explode when resposible people
suggest closing down Guantanamo
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:05 AM
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18. There were more drug planes flying to Guatanamo Bay


N35NK, a plane used for CIA extraordinary rendition, which used to owned by Hilliard who was also one of the owners of Huffman Aviation in Venice, Florida.
This picture was taken in Santa Maria, Portugal on Feb 17, 2005 during one of the illegal extraordinary rendition flights (1). (Please wave to the poor kidnap victim in the plane)

Hilliard who had a history of drug running with N351WB which got busted at the Orlando Executive Airport with over 43 lbs of heroin (2), however both pilots and Hilliard were not charged because of "lack of evidence" despite the discovery of 43 pounds of heroin on his plane.

N35NK was used for flight to and from Rum Cay which mysteriously suddenly fell victim to large scale cocaine import even though that island never had those problems before Hilliard started flying to their island. N35NK also regularly flew to Guatanamo Bay (3)

In 2006 the plane was being sold on to Aircraft Guaranty Corporation for the infamous CIA rendition flights. Despite operating for the CIA now, the plane still regularly flew to known drugs transfer points like Venice, Florida, Bahamas Treasure Cay, Bahamas San Salvador, Bahamas Marsh Harbour, Netherlands Antilles St. Maarten, Toluca, Mexico (see: N900SA) (4)

Sources:
1. http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGAMR510512006
2. http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/jeb-bush-linked-to-...
3. http://www.williambowles.info/911/flight_schools.html
4. http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:43 AM
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22. The strange case of Manuel Vicente Losada

CALI CARTEL ASSOCIATES BUSTED IN CHILE
Police Bring Down Country's Largest Drug Operation Ever

SOURCE: LA TERCERA
SOURCE: EL MERCURIO

May 5, 1998

Chilean Police arrested at dawn Monday 11 people suspected of drug trafficking and money laundering in connection with the notorious Cali Cartel of Colombia. Officials believe the drug ring to be far bigger than that allegedly run by Mario Silva Leiva, a.k.a. Cabro Carrera, considered Chile's leading cocaine kingpin.

The arrests, which took place in the capital of Santiago and the port city of Valparaiso, were part of a joint operation by Carabineros Police and the State Defense Council (CDE), which had been monitoring the operation for over a year. The suspects allegedly have provided shipping services to the Cali Cartel.

The alleged leader of the narcotics ring is Vina del Mar businessman Manuel Vicente Losada, who was arrested in Santiago. Another key suspect arrested yesterday is Gabriel Toro Toro, a Colombian whom authorities have identified as an important nexus of the Cali Cartel.

These and the other suspects arrested have been linked to a shipment of five tons of cocaine which U.S. drug enforcement officials in Miami intercepted over six years ago on the vessel Harbour, as it headed toward Guantanamo Bay. The drugs, valued at US$60 million, had come from the Cali Cartel and were to be sold in the U.S. The vessel, which originally came from Peru in 1991 under the name "Golden Hill," had a Chilean captain, Yerko Huerta, and a crew of 27 Chileans and one Colombian at the time it was seized. U.S. courts sentenced Huerta to life in prison, and sentenced 19 of the crew members to prison terms of between 10 and 19 years.

(...)

http://ssdc.ucsd.edu/news/chip/h98/chip.19980505.html
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:35 AM
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163. Thanks for the links, Dr.DeBug


Just more proof that our government is a criminal organization motivated by greed and power
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 04:24 PM
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86. Dont forget the Central Asian rendition bases
I ran into this interesting speculation a while back:
http://www.serendipity.li/wtc9.htm

And, by the way, there's something in Central Asia that's a lot more profitable than oil. This region has the main transit routes for Afghani heroin being smuggled to Western countries. When one recalls that American military cargo planes were returning from Central America in the 1980s loaded with cocaine for distribution in the U.S. by the CIA and the Mafia one has to wonder what might be in American military cargo planes currently flying out of recently-established U.S. bases and airports in Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan.

Uzbekistan is widely conceded to be a major rendition location for prisoners picked up in Afghanistan. Why not add in a little of the local agricultural exports as well?


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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:21 PM
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99. Cuba was important in the international drug trade before Fidel ousted
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 05:24 PM by BornagainDUer
the sleazy rat-bastards. A book by Al McKoy "Politics of Heroin: CIA complicity in the global drug trade". A phenomenal easy to read book. McKoy is a superb writer.

Fidel is hated by these thugs because of this and shit-canning the gambling rackets and prostitution rings. He also fucked up Zapata (read: Bush family business) Petroleum's chances of developing its offshore works in Cuba.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:27 PM
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148. Not to mention the family sugar monopoly:
KEVIN PHILLIPS: George H. Walker was a real piece of work. I mean, he was a buccaneer. He was sort of a Joe Kennedy, but with a social register type qualification. He got involved in the 1920's with a bunch of Cuban companies, because of his ties to Percy Rockefeller and the National City Bank. They handled a lot of investments in Cuba. He was a director during the 1920's of eight or nine Cuban companies. George H. Walker had ties to the -- investment ties that were independent, so he had invested in some of these companies. One of them turned out several -- several turned out to merge into something called West Indies Sugar. West Indies Sugar became one of the major American companies in Cuba, and George H. Walker Jr., the son of George H. Walker and Prescott, Bush's cousin was a director, held a family seat on West Indies Sugar. Now during the late 1950's, West Indies Sugar was based in the Indy province in Cuba. That's where the Castro insurgency was developing. Castro and his people sort of shook down West Indies Sugar. They used their trucks and hit them up for money and so forth. They were unhappy with the Castro movement. In 1959 or 1960, I forget which year, Castro's people nationalized West Indies Sugar, and at this time George H. W. Bush's uncle was Director of West Indies Sugar. The value of West Indies sugar had been about $50 million and it wound up being virtually peanuts. I don't know how much their stake was. I couldn't begin to guess. It may not have been nearly as much as one would suggest from the bigger numbers. They were an unhappy set of campers when West Indies Sugar went bye-bye.

-snip
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/01/12/144...
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:50 AM
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173. Thank you for the valuable information, mod mom. So completely helpful. n/t
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #148
185. Thanks for this information. I wonder if these sugar interests were linked
to United Fruit? UF was a CIA front run by Sullivan and Cromwell and one author claims that UF did business with the Nazis

...Even Allen Dulles, who was among the more vocal on Wall Street in warning that German military adventures would come to no good, found himself caught up in this contradiction. Captured German records show that the United Fruit Company, where Dulles maintained a long and active directorship, became an international pacesetter in devising ways to expand trade with Germany despite obstacles from the U.S. and U.K. governments. Similarly, while publicly advocating U.S. economic backing for the British on the eve of the war, Dulles was privately representing German corporate clients in their efforts to buy out the American Potash and Chemical Corporation, an important potential source of strategic chemicals and foreign currency.... *

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Genocide/Bankers_Lawy...
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:12 AM
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3. CIA is back in the drug dealing biddness
South East LA or the NY City borroughts?

Damn!

On the bright side the reason Iran Contra broke fully open was a similar event in el Salvador... what was his name... hasenfus or something like that?

He refused to take the full wrap for it...

So we may be seeing history repeat itself AGAIN

Oh and the Federal Police will not be nice with these guys either... american or not
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:19 AM
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11. Eugene Hassenfus's plane was shot down Papa was first place notified!
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 03:22 AM by flyarm
http://geekunderground.org/misc/cia_drug.txt

snip:

8/5/85: Bush's office is the first place notified when the C-123 carrying
Eugene Hassenfus is shot down. Buzz Sawyer, the pilot of the plane, has the
private White House phone number of George Bush in his pocket when his body is
recovered from the plane. Hassenfus testifies that he worked for the CIA under
Max Gomez (alias Felix Rodriguez) and Ramon Medina (alias Luis Posada Carriles)
with the knowledge and approval of George Bush. Telephone logs from the phone
company in El Salvador for the "safe houses" used by the plane crew show many
calls to North's White House office.


12/85: Felix Rodriguez attends the Christmas party at George Bush's White House
office, and is introduced to the staff as as old friend of Donald Gregg and
Bush.

1/86: Felix Rodriguez meets in Bush's office with Colonel Sam Watson, Gregg's
deputy in Salvador, and Colonel Steele to discuss counter-insurgency.

5/86: Felix Rodriguez meets with Bush, Gregg and North in Bush's office.

6/86: Felix Rodriguez is called to Washington to meet with North to explain
phone calls to Tony Avirgan and Martha Honey (U.S. journalists in Costa Rica),
which North has taped.


fly ...........i so remember this crash..and the questions that came about it...
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:26 PM
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100. Hee, hee! Good memory. This thread is hot!
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 05:28 PM by BornagainDUer
Ollie North's diary noted the shipment of "paste" in exchange for guns if I am correct. Here is where WWII Nazi Klaus Barbie, then residing in Bolivia, and his company Merex get linked to Iran Contra. This is in Alex Coburn's book "Whiteout".
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #11
121. And Luis is enjoying his new life as an artist, protected from his
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 09:19 PM by higher class
alledged destruction of the Cubana Airline flight with a sports team on it. Among many attempts to get back at Castro. Protected from trial and extradition by (the Bush family?).

He is golden and tefloned by the (bushes?) and a home grown Cuban-American terrorist - living a nice life free.

He'll most likely die free - no trial to determine whether he did it or not. Of course, the Bushes are also protecting the CIA - that Agency Jr likes to villify.
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Eagle_Eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:52 AM
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30. Was the CIA ever out of the drug dealing business?
Financing clandestine operations takes lots of untraceable cold cash. Drugs are an ephemeral product that is untraceable, easily procured, and disappears after it is used. It is a perfect way to get the bucks to operate black projects.

Think of the drug trade as a 'tax' on the population.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:44 PM
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65. nope and the * crime family has always been knee deep in it!! eom
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:51 PM
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111. You think that's where Bush Sr. made all of his money in the early 60's?
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bananarepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 05:47 AM
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171. ... and W was personally in charge of 'quality control'! n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:12 PM
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187. It never STOPPED, even in the 90s when we THOUGHT it stopped in 93.
We were total fools to have let that all be swept under the rug while BushInc went private till they could come back with Bush2 and stronger than ever.


http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

BTW - CIA drugrunning report came out in 1996 - who continued to deny and downplay for Poppy Bush?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:34 AM
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6. Kick... damn this is an important story folks
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:43 AM
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21. i agree n/t
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 07:51 AM
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33. Yes, but it will only gain notoriety in 2025 and only then will the people
say OMFG if we just only knew. And some will say it's just left wing propaganda. Our government wouldn't do anything that evil, after all we're a Christian Nation that fears God.
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:47 AM
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7. turn um over to me
I'll waterboard the shit out of them until they admit to working for Blackwater.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:49 AM
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8. Hmmm lemme see
who gets charge of these guys?

Federal Police or Army Intelligence

Either way... Hafenhus talked when facing the Salvadoran teams... we may see the same...

Trust me, they have ways of breaking people...

And no, I don't condone torture...

h
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:50 AM
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9. Primer on Hasenfus
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 04:48 AM
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17. Thanks for posting this link. Important investment of Gary Webb's time.
Hope it will be commonly understood someday.
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:35 PM
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101. A sad story is the one about Gary Webb. He was suicided a couple
of years ago. After being trashed by the MSM that later acknowledged the truth of his work on the CIA drug peddling. A man who certainly knew too much.
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 12:07 AM
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155. I have direct experience with contractors who reported witnessing cocaine being loaded and unloaded
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 12:09 AM by AikidoSoul
from C-130 type cargo planes at Palmerolla AFB in Honduras during the 1980s. I lived there with my spouse and worked under the auspices of the American Embassy. The work situation was paid by a corporation that was under contract with the military, Dod, and NSA at different times during that period.

At first we thought the contractors had to be mistaken about what they had seen, but they insisted it was cocaine. There were three contractors who reported this over a period of two years. These were wide-eyed young guys had high ideals. They had initially been wooed by companies working as contractors for DoD, NSA and the U.S. military and were convinced that they were working for the highest ideals of the United States of America. What was so striking about their descriptions of what they saw -- cocaine cargo loaded and unloaded -- were their shaky, disturbed utterings. They were obviously shattered by what they saw. They were sick with disgust and worry... and became increasingly disturbed over the course of their tenure there. One of them was pale and had tears when he described what he saw happen. They all ended up quitting. It was apparent to me that they had no choice because of the sheer emotional impact this had on them and their pre-conceived notions of what the United States stood for.

Since we did not witness these events with our own eyes, we made note of what they said and filed it away. We considered it here-say simply because we could not directly corroborate it -- but the fact that three persons reported the same thing had a great impact on us.

It took one more experience to radicalize us forever.

It was another U.S. instigated horror (purposeful devaluation of the Honduran Lempira currency with the prior knowledge of the rich elite -- who used this knowledge to kill off the middle class. Rich Honduran elites purchased millions of $$$ and stored them in Miami banks so they could swoop down on the newly evolved middle class that was wiped out by the Honduran currency devaluation. These predators fed on the new struggling middle class like vultures, buying up their new businesses and homes for pennies because the evolving middle class could no longer afford them.

We knew about this because a very rich Honduran (our landlord) told us how he had taken all his Lempira and purchased U.S. dollars and then put his dollars safely in Miami banks ...just like the rest of the very rich Hondurans. These creeps had all been alerted about this plan. He talked blithely about it because he thought we were in on it!

We were sickened by it. We immediately decided to quit and never work as contractors for the U.S. government again. It was over.

We went into our own business. Not only that but we became radicalized by our experiences. Totally, thoroughly radicalized.

It wasn't until years later that the reports by those young contractors about the cocaine shipments in Honduras -- were corroborated by Mike Levine in his book "The Big White Lie".

Later it was Gary Webb and his series at the San Jose Mercury News. At first Webb's editors backed him up until huge pressure from the CIA was exerted on them and they turned on Webb -- who eventually committed suicide, or possibly was suicided.

We'll probably never know the truth about what really happened to Gary Webb.

Here's a description yanked from the web on two Levine books about the CIA and drug smuggling, and bout the complicity of the U.S. government in ALLOWING drugs to be smuggled as long as it SUPPORTED its agenda (right wing control and subjugation of leftists, and continued support of right-wing agendas):

Levine, Michael. The Big White Lie: The CIA and the Cocaine/Crack Epidemic -- An Undercover Odyssey. New York: Thunder's Mouth Press, 1993. 472 pages.

And from WikiPedia (this checks out fine):

Michael Levine is a former senior United States law enforcement agent and has been called "America's top undercover cop for 25 years" by 60 Minutes. A 25 year veteran of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) he has gained much attention for his criticisms of the CIA and the DEA. He has even gone as far as claiming the CIA created La Corporacion, the "General Motors of cocaine".

Levine has testified as an expert witness in 500 civil and criminal trials internationally and domestically. He is a signatory to the 9/11 Truth Statement. <1>

Since 1995, he has hosted "The Expert Witness Radio Show" on the flagship station of the Pacifica Radio Network, WBAI-FM in New York. http://www.expertwitnessradio.org

*****************************************************


Michael Levine's earlier book, Deep Cover, occasionally mentioned CIA double-dealing in the war against drugs. Now this theme is his central thesis. Levine is a 25-year veteran of the Drug Enforcement Administration, whose career included undercover work in Argentina at the time of the 1980 "Cocaine Coup" in Bolivia. In this book Levine places his anti-drug war in its proper context, and concludes that it was futile. In Argentina the CIA was assisting a brutal junta, which was responsible for "disappearing" its own citizens, and in Bolivia the scheming of longtime CIA asset Klaus Barbie helped put Luis Arce Gomez into power. To top it off, the well-connected Argentinean and Bolivian fascists behind it all just happened to be some of the same people that boy scout Levine was trying to bust. Needless to say, he didn't get his merit badge, and was ordered back to headquarters.
Back in the U.S. by early 1982, working out of DEA headquarters, Levine was disillusioned. DEA was harassing him with a nit-picking internal affairs investigation while drug lords were running governments. Levine settled for working a sting to entice Bolivia's queen of cocaine, Sonia Atala, into a U.S. prison. But she too was CIA-protected, and ended up in the witness protection program, waiting to return to Bolivia with all of her vast property holdings intact.
ISBN 1-56025-064-X

Kick and recommend.

This is a VERY hot thread.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 06:39 AM
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172. Very helpful post. Thanks for your observations, insights. Haven't had enough time to learn
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 06:46 AM by Judi Lynn
nearly enough about Honduras. Your post will definitely push me into action doing some badly needed research.

Isn't it so sad what a massive history has been denied and covered up, while forcefeeding the American public outrageous lies about US/Latin American events?

So many, many people bought the whole propaganda package, and will fight 'til the death anyone who suggests it is all actually quite different.

They should start recognizing there's something important missing when they ask themselves what it is they really know about Latin America, after all.

It's a bad way to be awakened, but it's good you've seen the light, as bad as it all looks! Thanks.
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:17 PM
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186. Great post AS. That Klaus Barbie link is something else. He was known as "The Butcher of Lyon"
for his role in that French city during WWII. He and the Rev. Sun Moon were in on the 1980 cocaine coup.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:02 PM
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80. thank you-I always appreciate your information.
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piesRsquare Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:54 AM
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10. I'd be surprised if it WERE NOT linked to the government!
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 02:54 AM by piesRsquare
C.I.A.=Cocaine Importing Agency
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:42 AM
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12. check out this deposition about drug running and Eugene Hassenfus is mentoned,
http://tomflocco.com/fsimage/Jfk/CutoloColCoroneDeposit...

i know flocco is not considered a good source ..but this is a deposition..

fly
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 12:15 PM
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48. Are the Sandinista terrorists on the Texas border yet? Rhetoric to haunt Freeepers.
More here on the Sandinistas and terror as a political tool.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

I was in Central America before the Hassenfus plane crashed and Iran-Contra broke in the press. George H. W. Bush was there to convey $100 million dollars in aid illegally to the Contras, circumventing the Boland Amendment by giving it to the President of Honduras to pass along. To avoid press coverage of that illegal nicety, the space shuttle Challenger flight could not be canceled on that cold Feb. morning in Florida, and consequently exploded on launch!

The BIG STORY never got any press! I wrote about the $100 million in illegal aid. A few days later I was stabbed nine times.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:43 PM
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64.  L. Coyote..you are a great researcher!! i appreciate what you do!! eom
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 02:02 AM
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166. Why were you stabbed 9 times? Was it something you wrote?
I was in Tegucigalpa during that same time frame.

I just pulled out an ID card I was given during that period -- issued by "Fuerzas Armadas de Honduras -- Fuerza de Seguridad Publica -- Comandancia General"

Basically -- its a card that insures that I don't get picked up and imprisoned by DIN, FUSEP, or any of the other armed thugs that put people into prisons if suspected of.. just about anything.

I've posted other experiences on this thread about our experiene in Honduras, including but not limited to the illegal shipments of cocaine through Palmerolla AFB... witnessed by three co-workers.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:49 AM
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14. off to greatest page.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 04:05 AM
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15. Again??
That's the second time already. Remember N900SA which got caught with 5.5 tons of coke on April 11, 2006 and which had a logo which was almost identical to the DHS logo


The DC9 which got caught with 5.5 tons of cocaine in Mexico last year


The logo of that company
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 07:05 PM
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113. Sky Way Aircraft??
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 07:07 PM by Concerned GA Voter
Interesting, looks like they have been cleaning up on "security" technologies for aircraft since as early as (surprise) 2003:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2003_May...

MIAMI BEACH, Fla.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 5, 2003

SkyWay Communications Holding Corp. (OTCBB:SWYC) announced today that its merger partner, Sky Way Aircraft, Inc., will be demonstrating its new in-flight communications technology in Washington DC.

Sky Way Aircraft, Inc., a Clearwater, FL company developing a unique ground to in-flight aircraft communications network that will facilitate homeland security and in-flight entertainment services, will be demonstrating their aircraft anti-terrorism communications technology at the U.S. Capital, House Rayburn Office Building, Room 2325, C St., S.W., Washington, DC from 5:00-7:00PM on May 8th, 2003. This is an exclusive demonstration for Members of Congress, Congressional Staff, and the Homeland Security Administration and will highlight Sky Way Aircraft's network's abilities to enable in-flight surveillance and monitoring services of the internal areas of the aircraft including the cockpit and general cabin spaces and assist in allowing real-time monitoring services by various law enforcement agencies at selected locations throughout the U.S.

About Sky Way Aircraft, Inc.

Sky Way Aircraft, Inc. is a Clearwater, Florida based company that is developing a unique ground to air in-flight aircraft communication network that it anticipates will facilitate homeland security and in-flight entertainment. Sky Way Aircraft is focused on bringing to the market a network supporting aircraft-related service including anti-terrorism support, real time in-flight surveillance and monitoring, WIFI access to the Internet, telephone service and enhanced entertainment service for commercial and private aircraft throughout the United States. Based on the final upgrading of a previous airborne telephone and communications network, Sky Way Aircraft intends to provide broadband connectivity between the ground and in-flight aircraft throughout the U.S. using technology that provides a broadband high-speed data transmission. Sky Way Aircraft intends to be the communications solution for commercial and private aircraft owners wanting real time access to on-board security systems, aircraft health and welfare monitoring, avionics operations and for passengers wanting real time high-speed access to the internet. Their network will enable applications that can personalize the in-flight entertainment experience, provide real time access to flight management avionics with long-term data storage and also support for ground monitoring of in-flight surveillance systems that are being designed with the goal of enhancing current airline security standards.

On April 23, 2003, Sky Way Communications Holding Corp. announced that it had signed a letter of intent to merge with Sky Way Aircraft, Inc. The letter of intent is non-binding and is subject to various conditions including the execution of a definitive merger agreement. Accordingly, there is no assurance that the merger will be consummated on favorable terms or at all.


Guess drug money can really multiply itself in today's world...
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:32 PM
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123. and what organization is headquartered in Clearwater?? Scientology
and where was Terri Schiavo..Clearwater..now why did little lord pissy pants get involved in Terri's life in Clearwater? to appease Scientology.

and there are hundreds upon hundreds of kids who are programed by scientology in Clearwater..i know i see them daily.

all kinds of big $$$ going into clearwater right now..building huge new hotels..the downtown is being rebuilt..all old hotels on beach knocked down and huge hotels and condos going up..big time $$$
all of downtown Clearwater is now owned by scientology.

fly
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bluetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 06:39 AM
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201. One of my uncles ran drugs for L. Ron in the 70's. He was new to Sea Org and
thrilled to be sailing on a real ship visiting exotic places and didn't realize until many years later what was in the suitcases they were instructed to deliver and receive. And then he joined the Masons...
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 07:11 PM
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114. Funny how that works.
Without a few people giving a damn, Danny H would be pretty much alone in this world.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:05 AM
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19. "Some news reports have linked" ... hmmmm....
Sounds too sketchy for me right now.

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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:48 AM
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23. Thank you all for the great links and additions to this story. Something is
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 05:56 AM by Ghost in the Machine
going down. Remember the plane busted last year with 5.5 tons of coke, yet the pilot and someone else "escaped"? Dr.Debug mentions it in post #15. There was a thread on it but it got kicked to the 9-11 forum for some reason..

Edited to add:

"FAA still can't seem to tell us who bought the plane and the last owner alledged buyer's broker doesn't appear legit. Guess that be a $500MM hot potato.

This caught my eye with regards to the investors in the company that painted the plane to look like an official US aircraft-

"But before engaging in the popular sport of blaming the Jews it might be useful to recall that we've already seen Saudi billionaire Adnan Khashoggi's involvement. Oddly enough, fifteen of SkyWay Aircraft's biggest investors are from Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. One of them even appears to be the head of the Kuwaiti National Guard."


http://www.madcowprod.com /
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:09 AM
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25. It has the same suffix as this flight. This plane is a rendition flight as well
This plane was under UK investigation for illegal CIA rendition:


Weitere Europa-Flieger:
Zum Schluss noch eine Liste der Flugzeuge, von denen keine Landung in Deutschland verzeichnet ist, die aber trotzdem Europa unsicher machten (in fett=aktiv)

N219D, Devon Holding, EP-Daten: S. 66
N221SG, Path Corporation, EP-Daten: S.42
N4557C, Rapid Air Transport, EP-Daten: S.51
N965BW, Presidential Aviation, Untersuchung UK
N205EL, Richmor Aviation, Untersuchung UK
N4557C, Jeppessen Dataplan 2, CRCO
N47UF, Richmor Aviation, Untersuchung UK
N58AJ, Richmor Aviation, Untersuchung UK
N61RS, Richmor Aviation, CRCO
N722HP, Richmor Aviation, Untersuchung UK
N800BQ, Presidential Aviation, Untersuchung UK
N987SA, Richmor Aviation, Untersuchung UK

http://worldcontent.twoday.net/stories/2608428 /


WMR has been investigating this flight and discovered that it made possible rendition flights and - once again like N35NK - had the habit of continously flying to little Caribean islands linked to the drug trade:


(...)

From April 7 to April 12, 2004, the CIA rendition plane flew from Long Island/Farmingdale to Gander, Newfoundland; London Luton; Gander; Long Island/Farmingdale; Oxford, Connecticut; Washington, DC; Guantanamo Bay, Cuba; Washington, DC; York, Pennsylvania; Hudson, New York; and Bedford, Massachusetts.

On April 21, 2004, N987SA flew from Long Island/Farmingdale to Gander, to Paris, France; to London; to Goose Bay, Labrador; and back to Farmingdale, New York.

On January 20, 2005, the Gulfstream flew from Oxford, Connecticut to Washington, DC, to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba; and returned to Washington and Oxford.

The aircraft also touched down in several Caribbean locations including Barbados; Aruba; Montego Bay, Jamaica; Higuey and Puerto Plata, Dominican Republic; St. Thomas; San Juan and Aguadilla, Puerto Rico, Nassau, Bahamas, St. Kitts; Cancun, Mexico; Pointe-a-Pitre, Guadeloupe; and St. Lucia, in addition to Kailua/Kona, Kahului, and Honolulu, Hawaii, Bermuda, and Jackson, Wyoming.

http://pimpinturtle.com/2007/09/26/cia-plane-crashes-in...
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:19 AM
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27. Richmond Aviation ALSO runs a flight school; One plane identified as CIA rendition
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 06:22 AM by DrDebug
This plane which just got caught with coke on board was under investigation but there was no direct evidence that it was involved with the rendition, however one of their aircraft ( double registration: N85VM and N227SV ) was positively identified as used for the kidnapping of Osama Nasr Mostafa Hassan (better known as Abu Omar) from Cairo on Feb. 18, 2003.


Richmor Aviation, Inc. is an aircraft charter company established in 1967. They are based out of Hudson, New York, and have operational locations across the country. In addition to providing airplanes for charter, they also run a flight school.

Rendition

At least one plane supplied by Richmor has become known as a possible transport of suspects in CIA extraordinary rendition operations. The Gulfstream jet in question is owned by Assembly Point Aviation, an Albany, New York company owned by Phillip H. Morse, a part owner of the Boston Red Socks and a successful catheter salesman.

The plane in question sported two different license tags, one was N85VM, and the other was N227SV. These two tags correspond to the Gulfstream with the serial number 1172.

This plane has made over 50 trips to Guantanamo with trips throughout the Middle East, Europe, as well as domestic flights in the US for Red Sox events. (1) (2)

Contact

Richmor Aviation Inc.
P.O. Box 423
Hudson, NY 12534
Tel.: (800) 331 - 6101 / Fax: (518) 828-1303
charter@richmor.com
http://www.richmor.com

1: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0320-04.htm
2: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2... /

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Richmor_Avia... .

Sourcewatch content available under GNU license
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:50 AM
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29. Abu Omar Case or Imam Rapito (kidnapped Imam) affair
Summary: The plane used was owned by the same company who also used to own this drug plane. The owners have changed, but both drug planes and CIA rendition planes had the habit of continously changing owners in an effort to obscure the real owners of the plane.



The Abu Omar Case (or Imam Rapito affair - "Kidnapped Imam affair") refers to the abduction and transfer in Egypt of the Imam of Milan Hassan Mustafa Osama Nasr, also known as Abu Omar, and successive vicissitudes. The case has been narrated by the international press as one of well known and better documented case of extraordinary rendition carried out by the CIA in the context of the "global war on terrorism" declared by the Bush administration.

Abu Omar has been abducted on February 17, 2003 at Milan by the CIA(1). According to the enquires reconstruction and what has been told by Nasr himself, the imam has been kidnapped while reaching a mosque and transported to the Aviano Air Base, from which he was transferred to Egypt, where he was secluded, interrogated and allegedly tortured and abused (2). The CIA operations has interrupted surveillance carried on by Italian authorities concerning Nasr about his alleged participation to Islamic organizations. Hassan Nasr was released by Egyptian justice in February 2007, who considered his detention "unfounded," and has not been indicted for any alleged crime in Italy.

The Italian government originally denied having played any role in the abduction. However, this is contradicted by investigations carried on by Italian prosecutors Armando Spataro and Ferdinand Enrico Pomarici, who have indicted 26 CIA agents, including the Rome station chief and head of CIA in Italy until 2003, Jeffrey W. Castelli, and Milan station chief Robert Seldon Lady, as well as SISMI (Italian intelligence) head General Nicol Pollari, his second Marco Mancini as well as station chiefs Raffaele Ditroia, Luciano Di Gregori and Giuseppe Ciorra(3). Referring to the Italian military intelligence agency, the Italian press has talked of a "CIA-SISMI concerted operation."

The Italian justice has transmitted extradition requests for the indicted American citizens to the Italian Ministry of Justice, then headed by Roberto Castelli, in order to transmit them to Washington. However, Roberto Castelli had always refused to forward the demand for extradition, which provoked contention with the prosecuting authority of Milan. At the end of his mandate in 2006, Castelli declared that he had not transmitted the acts. Despite Romano Prodi's center-left coalition winning the April 2006 general elections, the extradition requests have not been forwarded. Some members of the government supported the forwarding of the extradition requests.

However, Prodi's government has introduced a recourse before the Constitutional Court, alleging a violation of state secret by the enquirers during the investigations. Current Justice Minister Clemente Mastella has declared that he will wait for the resolution of the hanging issue before deciding on the forwarding, or not, of the requests. The trial is due for June 2007. (Postponed until October 2007)

(...)

1. http://www.corriere.it/Primo
2. http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/Cronache/2005/06_Giu...
3. http://www.repubblica.it/2007/02/sezioni/cronaca/abu-om...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imam_Rapito
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 02:59 AM
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167. Wanted Poster / Where's Robert Lady

WHERE'S ROBERT?

Since fleeing Italy in about January 2005, Robert Lady has lived at his father's old addresses in Valle de Angeles, Honduras, and Punta Gorda, Florida. He has visited Spain and Switzerland as well as Honduras. Lady has been spotted in the Virginia suburbs of Washington, DC (on monthly visits to the CIA headquarters) and in Italian restaurants in the East Village section of Manhattan. http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,472537,00.ht...

The PHOTO of Lady was taken after September 2003. Lady is reported to be a big man (height and girth) and to have a gray or graying beard and mustache. He is supposedly affable and outgoing. He speaks fluent Italian and Spanish (his mother was a Honduran and he was raised in Honduras) and may seek to blend into a Latino community.

He may dye his hair, shave facial hair, or effect other disguises. The PHOTO of Lady was taken early in 2004.

Do not attempt to apprehend: Lady was trained in firearms use and hand-to-hand combat as a New York City policeman (in the 1970s) and by the CIA (beginning about 1980).

Lady was born in Tegucigalpa (Honduras) on May 21, 1954, to WIlliam (Billy, Bill) Seldon and Maria Lady. He is a US citizen. His last address in Italy was via Don Bosco n. 40, in Penango (AT).

(...)

FATHER OF LIES AND MASTERS OF BETRAYAL

The light-haired man whom Robert Lady is so friendly with in the PHOTO shows how unreliable intelligence agencies are. The guy later betrayed Lady and will testify against him. He is Luciano Pironi, another defendant and a member of the Italian military police (the Carabinieri, a uniformed police unit that serves a dual civilian-military function such as President Bush is instituting in the U.S.). According to court documents which formed part of the initial investigation, Luciano Pironi stopped Abu Omar to ask for his identity papers, and while checking them he led Abu Omar to a white van, into which he was pulled by two American agents. As part of a plea bargain, Pironi admitted to participating in the Imam Rapito, ratted out his friend Robert Seldon Lady, and received a 21-month prison sentence

(...)

ELECTRODES TO THE BALLS, A CRIPPLED LEG, A "WRECK" OF A MAN -- BUT THE ONLY REAL MAN OF THE LOT

The torture of imam Abu Omar included:

In the white van, he was beaten by the CIA goons until foam poured out of his mouth. The goons detected a cardiac event and, worried that Nasr might die before he could be tortured in Egypt into cooperating, began administering chest compression.

Once he was in the hands of the Gypsy intelligence service, they hung him upside down and administered many electric shocks, especially in the head area.

They applied electric shocks to his balls.

Gypsy perverts played with his genitals a la Abu Ghraib and threatened him with rape (as CIA voyeurs watched?).

He was exposed to incredibly loud music that caused him to lose hearing in one ear.

He was crippled in one leg by beatings and has difficulty walking.

He was kept in a dank cell in darkness; and rats and roaches crawled over his body day and night.

He was made to lie on a wet mattress to which electricity was applied.

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/81719
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:54 PM
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76. Terrorist Murad learned to fly at Richmor Aviation as well
Let's see: Rendition for the CIA, Flying to both Guatanamo Bay and Turkish military airports, Flight lessons for convicted terrorists, and drug planes. And friends with George H.W. Bush of course!


Bird of Prey
by CD Stelzer

(...)

If Omar's flight to Egypt is a reliable indicator, it would be reasonable to deduce that this gaggle of private and CIA front companies is making a tidy profit off the rendition programme at US taxpayer's expense. Richmor Aviation, for example, leases the plane on behalf of its owner for $5,365 an hour, or a little more than $900,000 a week, according to the Boston Globe. Aside from free rides given to kidnap victims bound for torture chambers in the Middle East, not too many people could afford such luxurious air travel. One notable passenger granted the privilege without being shackled or diapered is former President George H. W. Bush, the current US leader's father, who accompanied Morse (=owner rendition plane) on a leisurely trip to the Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, New York a few years ago.

If that were not a strange enough coincidence, consider the diversified interests of Richmor Aviation. Besides leasing and maintenance, Richmor also operates a flight training school. One of its dropouts, from the early 1990s, was Abdul Hakim Murad, an associate of Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, a lieutenant of al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden. Philippine authorities arrested Murad in Manila in 1995. He was later convicted in New York for plotting to blow up a dozen US commercial passenger jets over the Pacific and then crash a plane into CIA headquarters. To date only one country has taken serious steps to reveal these intricate machinations. At press time, Italy's case against 22 CIA agents charged in the Omar kidnapping case is slowly moving forward after stalling out temporarily in the wake of this spring's contested national elections. Those indicted include former Milan CIA station chief Robert Seldon Lady. Prosecutor Armando Spataro has vowed to continue pursuing the case now that the centre-left government of Prime Minister-elect Roman Prodi is in power.

(...)

http://www.irelandfrombelow.org/site/scriofa/island1/is...


Murad was also named as a co-conspirator of 1993 World Trade Center bombing.


FBI Knew Terrorists Were Using Flight Schools

By Steve Fainaru and James V. Grimaldi
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, September 23, 2001; Page A24

(...)

In 1996, two flight school operators said last week, FBI agents visited them to obtain information about several Arab pilots connected to a Pakistani terrorist eventually convicted of plotting to bomb U.S. airliners.

The flight schools, Coastal Aviation of New Bern, N.C., and Richmor Aviation of Schenectady, N.Y., were two of four that provided flight training to Abdul Hakim Murad in the early 1990s, according to Philippine authorities. Murad was arrested in Manila in 1995 and later convicted in New York of plotting to blow up a dozen U.S. airliners over the Pacific, then crash a suicide plane into CIA headquarters.

(...)

Richard Kaylor, manager of Richmor Aviation, said the FBI was first alerted to the Schenectady flight school after a Richmor business card was discovered in Murad and Yousef's Manila apartment.

Kaylor said two FBI agents came to interview him about Murad in 1996. He said he provided information about Murad and two other student pilots, both of whom lived with Murad. Kaylor said the three men had come to Schenectady after a stint at Alpha Tango Flying Services in San Antonio.

Kaylor said four FBI agents returned Friday to Richmor to question him about a Turkish student who had received his private pilot's license last year. But Kaylor said it was unclear whether the agents were aware that he had been interviewed five years earlier.

(...)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A10840-2001Sep...




"In fact, the more you know about Richmor, the more you'll want to know. We are the best-kept secret in aviation industry today." (their emphasis)

http://scoutprime.blogspot.com/2005/12/private-companie...
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:04 AM
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39. The SA suffix
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 09:06 AM by DrDebug
I'm unable to find out what SA stands for because the name is an abbrevation for "S/A Holding LLC, 100 Ring Road West, Garden City, New York." The full name of that company cannot be found and I'm interested whether S/A stands for "Skyways Aviation" because that would tie it to last year's 5.5 tons of coke and 2 tons of coke in Paris and a company owned by James Bath, George W. Bush's drinking buddy and fellow AWOLer.

The phone number of that company (516-248-4920) is very interesting, because that number is shared by numerous companies involved in real estate like Wsa Equities Llc., 61st Street Realty Development Co., Ny City Builders Group Inc., etc.

S/A Holding LLC owns quite a lot of airplanes as well as real estate, however to make it even weirder, the contact person is G. Neuman who can be reached at the Somerset Plaza Hotel! ( http://www.airport-data.com/airport/NJ85 / )

Even weirder is that the address is generally used by law firms and we all know which agency uses lawyers a lot to shelter them. (See: CIA rendition)

The most surprising part is that N987SA was sold from Virginia even though it was based in Florida and owned by a New York company ( http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:kR_OWgMYbCEJ:www.a... )
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:31 PM
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122. What a name for their business RICH MOR(E)! nt
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softlabhennef Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 11:31 AM
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190. Richmor
Another photo N987SA associated with Richmor:
http://www.myaviation.net/search/photo_search.php?id=00...

FAA list also associated with Richmor:
http://www.faa.gov/ats/ato/150_docs/US_MASPS/US_MASPS_I...

Flight records N987SA extracted from FAA database:
http://www.softlabhennef.mynetcologne.de/CIA-Flights/N9...

Richmor also operated with a twin plane, same Gulf II-Type, tail-no. N540EA, c/n 174, owner: Jetmark Aviation. This plane had flights to Guantanamo Bay:

08-11-2002 Washington-Dulles - Guantanamo Bay
11-04-2005 Miami - Guantanamo Bay - Miami

and
10-17-2004 Baku - London-Luton
and
05-25-2005 Teterboro Shannon Milano (05-27) Split (06-01) Dubrovnik (06-03) Ponta Delgada (Azores) - Teterboro

Richmor also operated with a Gulfstream 3, tail-no. N982RK, previous owner: Water Above Mountain Holdings LLC (2001-2005), Assembly Point Aviation ( - 2001 = N6513X)= Phillip H. Morse, also owner of N85VM/N227SV. Nice yeah ?

N982RK has flown Khaled el-Masri back from his torture place in Salt Pit to Bezat-Kucova, Albania.
http://assembly.coe.int/CommitteeDocs/2007/EMarty_20070...

N982RK and Guantanamo:
07-17-2004 Guantanamo Bay - Santa Maria, Azores - Nuremberg, Germany - Dushanbe

And so on .... :evilgrin:




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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 12:30 PM
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191. Welcome :) Interesting information
Edited on Tue Oct-02-07 12:45 PM by DrDebug
Excellent first post :toast:

I couldn't resisting checking out the twin aircraft N540EA, because N900SA also had a twin aircraft.

It was registered to JetMark which a typical non-distinct description:

Jetmark™ is dedicated to sales and leasing of quality transport category aircraft. Established in 1993 in Seattle, Washington, the company has been involved in numerous transactions between airlines, leasing companies, and financial institutions. Asset Management services are also provided by the company.

http://www.aboutus.org/JetMarkAviation.com


JetMark had three offices: Seattle, Washington, Miami, Florida (where would we be without Jeb country) and Tulsa, Olkahoma. This plane was registered to the Oklahoma office which no longer exists of course.

And just like with the other companies, there seem to be a whole bunch of companies registered on the same address / telephone number, however all of them seem to have vanished since the rendition flights :sarcasm:

Jet Mark Aviation Service. Patrick Hoey. 9415 S. 88th E Ave. Tulsa, OK 74133. Tel: (918) 836-9566. FAX: (918)-831-0025

Also listed on the same address:
Furniture Upholstery
http://1336.yippie.biz/ok/tulsa /

Flightways Manufacturing, 918-836-9566 Repair, supply, refurbish and/or overhaul airline seats, tray tables, shrouds, armcaps, seat covers
http://staging.okcommerce.gov/test1/dmdocuments/Oklahom...

Foster's Propeller Service, Inc.
http://www.okaero.com/pdf/oaa_profile.pdf

AIR CABIN ENHANCEMENT SERVICE
http://www.magicyellow.com/category/Aircraft_Upholstere...

Career Specialists Incorporated
http://tulsa.citysearch.com/yellowpages/directory/Tulsa...

Edit:
Found him again, Patrick Hoey moved to a different address:


Jetmark Aviation Services Inc

6528 E 101st St B1, Tulsa, OK 74133-6724, United States (Map) (Add Company Info)

Phone: (918) 254-1698

SIC: Management Consulting Services

Line of Business: Management Consulting Services
Detailed Jetmark Aviation Services Inc Company Profile

This company profile is for the private company Jetmark Aviation Services Inc, located in Tulsa, OK. Jetmark Aviation Services Inc's line of business is management consulting services.

Company Profile: Jetmark Aviation Services Inc

Year Started: 1996

State of Incorporation:N/A

URL:N/A

Location Type:Single Location

Stock Symbol:N/A

Stock Exchange:N/A

Also Does Business As:N/A

NAICS:N/A

SIC #Code: View Details

Est. Annual Sales: View Details

Est. Employees: 1

Est. Employees at Location: 1

Contact Name: Patrick Hoey

Contact Title: President

http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_cdv0g9x


They also have an Oxford, CT address and tried to sell this plane via that address as well. ( http://www.aircraftone.com/aircraft/models/grumman_g_11... )
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softlabhennef Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 03:45 PM
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193. Veromi-Search
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 04:26 PM
Response to Reply #193
194. Definitely Syndicate (Silician mafia), the main Cocaine Import partners
Good search engine. The company is associated with "LAS VEGAS GAMING LLP, Delinquent October 1, 2005" and there are quite a number of other possible money landering firms.

We already saw that it was Cali cartel and that's Joe Bonanno who is part of the Shackley's rogue CIA.


loisbatt (former coworker of Myron DuBain who was a partner of Willy Hilliard)
Wed Jul-12-06 02:01 AM

(...)

I want to offer you a framework -- while a lot of this "started a long time ago," an excellent year to select for institutionalized dealings is 1973. This is when the Saudis had us over the barrel, with huge debt and high oil prices, and Team B was formed under the Nixon administration (includes Kissinger, Brzezenski, Carlucci, and the usual suspects) followed by creation of JECOR (Joint Economic Commission) about which both John Perkins ("Confessions of an Economic Hitman") and Gerald Posner ("Secrets of the Kingdom") comment. JECOR. This Commission oversaw the distribution of interest from the billions upon billions in U.S. Treasury notes purchased by the Saudis.

Since the Saudis could not accept interest (Faisal was king at the time), the money was kept in the U.S. and given without bids to various corporations for the development of infrastructure in Saudi Arabia. The biggest contractors, who received awards without bids, were Bechtel, Brown & Root, Kellogg, Haliburton (under Cheney, Haliburton acquired Brown & Root and Kellogg), Allied Waste Management, Vinnell, Fluor, and even Kaiser Permanente for a health care system.

After JECOR, it was George H.W. Bush as DCIA, without the knowledge and consent of President Ford, who in 1976 created "The Safari Club" (former intelligence agents of U.S., France, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Iran, until the Shah was overthrown in 1979 and beheaded Nasser Moghadam, head of SAVAK). This was a scheme to envelope and involve the wealth of the Saudis in action plans of Team B, rogue operations.

In 1976, Joe Bonanno decided to go into cocaine "big time" and nurtured along the Cali to rival the Medellin, though operations of the rogue "Company" led by Ted Shackley were underway earlier. But having Joe on board is what it took for the guns/drugs end of our present woes. Organized crime began to include the Saudis in much of what they did. Also, 1973 is when James A. Baker III's family bank, Texas Commerce Bancshares needed to be bailed out, so Khaled Abdullah, a brother-in-law of Fahd, provided the capital.

(...)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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softlabhennef Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #194
196. Well done!
I couldn'nt find N540EA on the screen, in Merida at this time was only a Beech 200 tail-no. N173RC, that's too small to transship the 3.6t:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N173RC

But the story is growing nice B-)
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #196
197. Those planes are used for many different purposes
so it's not necessarily drugs or maybe heroin(TM) because that doesn't require that much room.

My favorite plane is N313P which was the flagship.



http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0798841/M /

N313P as spotted leaving Palma de Mallorca on March 12, 2004, one day after the Madrid Train Bombing. It left for Baghdad, Iraq and preceeded to Kabul, Afghanistan (http://www.derossa.com/asp/docs/Working8.pdf ), however the FAA's log have this plane flying to Orebro, Sweden. Since the EU investigation does mention Baghdad as the next stop, I think that the FAA once again made a little mistake. Nobody ever explained why that plane was leaving Spain on that day and continued to two warzones.

Drug dealing is just one part, however all the companies seem dubious to say the least and there tend to be many different companies on the same location which is another clue. Hotels, real estate, gambling, mortgages are of course traditional forms of money laundering, because this money also needs to be laundered.
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softlabhennef Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #197
198. Clear Dimensions
Gambling:

Research Serial No. (c/n) of N313P. Compare it with this:
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNu...

Research Serial No. of N379P. Compare it with this:
VH CCC
http://www.casa.gov.au/casadata/regsearch/airsresults.a...

The game must go on. And media sleeps well. :boring:
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softlabhennef Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #191
195. Jetmark Aviation
Florida office was also dissolved 09/14/2007

New Adress:

5 JULIANO DR WATERBURG/OXFORD ARPT, OXFORD, CT 06478
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNu...

Funny nest :toast:
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:56 AM
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24. K&R
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:10 AM
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26. Is the new owner
Blackwater?
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moodforaday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:32 AM
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28. K & R & thank you for posting this (nt)
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 07:22 AM
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31. It's interesting that there's a UPI wire story on this incident
Just a brief one

But only in Spanish. Talk about cherrypicking your news.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 07:25 AM
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32. WTF?? Anyone know where * was that day?












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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #32
151. nice, breeze. i keep wondering what the connection is to oxford?
who's there now and what was that about?
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formerrepuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 08:02 AM
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34. kick
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Boxerfan Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 08:42 AM
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36. I didn't save a link, but hows about 5.5 tons in a shipment headed for Iraq??
It was one of my 1st posts here at DU in LBN. It got moved because the mod thought it was Iran Contra old stuff. Nope, a shipment had been hidden in the center of a giant wire spool. The Swedish authorities found it if I remember correct. That was at least 2 years ago.

I wrote Dar Jamail about it & he actually wrote back. He said the drug trade was huge in Iraq & the "wild west" style of drug dealing was funding many factions there.

I did a google & came up dry. But I remember it clearly.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 08:56 AM
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37. I still have that story
There were many reports, however The Mirror dared to give the destination of that ship.


STEEL REELS HID 150M OF COCAINE

COCAINE with an estimated street value of 150million has been seized in Holland in one of the biggest busts ever in Europe.

Thousands of brown bags of the drug, weighing 4,600kg, were found hidden in 12ft reels of steel cable at Rotterdam port.

They were in two shipping containers sent from Venezuela and bound for Iraq via Belgium.

Belgian authorities later arrested four people when the containers arrived in Antwerp minus the drugs. Spain has also held a number of suspects.

(...)

Another suspect, a 45-year-old Colombian, died after falling from the window of a flat in Amsterdam during a raid, police said.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=15935356&metho...

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Boxerfan Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:05 AM
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40. Thank you very much..kinda shows the depth of this....
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 09:06 AM by Boxerfan
They have never stopped I'd wager.

Also, we owe a debt of gratitude to Gary Webb...

Freaking 2 shots (Rat shot ta boot) to the head & they call it SUICIDE???


(Remember Bush 1 was head of the CIA before his rapid & mysterious rise to prominence...Just after JFK was removed.)
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:27 PM
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138. "from Venezuela"? was this to set up Chavez as a "terrorist"?
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:01 AM
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38. I've made a thread of my own which compiles the information I've found here
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:06 AM
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41. "U.S. authorities are assisting ". . . . . .
I'll just bet they are. . .
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:50 AM
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43. I'd be interested in knowing WHEN the plane was in Oxford?
To check against news events of the day...but it appears from Air Rutter International's advertising that the jet was actually based out of Oxford, and available for charter from there? Seems sort of odd to make it so readily available for rent when you've got tons of cocaine aboard on a regular basis...
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:07 AM
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44. Fronts always have a white and a black part.
N900SA, last year's coke bust, was used by Kenny Rogers (N9KR) and the Seattle Seahawks (N40SH) as well. That doesn't mean that Kenny Rogers knew that he used to fly in the US with a plane which was also used to ship tons of cocaine. You see the same thing which this plane which was also used for the Red Sox.

You cannot operate an entirely black (dirty) company; it needs a white (normal) side as well and to properly hide the black part, the white part tends to be bigger than the black part. In case of airplanes, you'll notice that the majority of planes are charter planes which are readily available (usually within slightly dubious circles, but still..)

The full overview of the flight plan is at http://pimpinturtle.com/2007/09/26/cia-plane-crashes-in...

Flight records are in the public domain, however they are not freely available from the internet, so querying is quite hard especially since national agencies only record flights within their country (ie the FAA does not require full disclosure of the complete flight path)
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:33 AM
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46. Thanks!
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 10:35 AM by MetaTrope
Nothing too suspicious that I could find for June 2003, then again online news archives aren't what they used to be either. Unless we should worry that Dime Bank broke ground for a branch in New London, CT that month?
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:12 AM
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45. WTF is this part of the story:
Two men were arrested and jailed on drug trafficking charges in Merida, officials said. They declined to identify the men, however.

McClatchy is withholding the names of the alleged new owners of the plane because they couldn't be reached for confirmation.


Huh? What does the writer mean "alleged new owners"? Care to explain that?

At the time the plane went down, it is OWNED by someone or some organization. Who was that owner?

This sounds to me like the preparation of a cover-up (hypothetical):
"The plane was just sold by the U.S. Gov't to a private owner and so had nothing to do with the 4 tons of cocaine."

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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 12:18 PM
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49. A change of ownership, after the fact.
Just like the 737 last year.....hey, there's an election next year and people aren't contributing to the Republican Crime Syndicate. How else are they going to raise funds to steal an election? Where is our media on doing real investigative reporting on this.....I am so sick of the entire rotten facade that used to be our government. When will we start talking about this publicly and demanding a real Congressional investigation into the world's #1 drug dealer, the US federal government?
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 12:25 PM
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53. Good catch, file83. n/t
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:03 AM
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47. Does this surprise anyone?
A cocaine laden plane with 5 tons was caught heading to a known CIA airport two summers ago. The CIA's peddling of drugs never fully stopped, except maybe under Clinton. If Iran-Contra stopped under Clinton, you seriously think the son of the guy who was running the CIA when Iran-Contra was invented wouldn't resume it?

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 12:22 PM
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50. "You're not getting older, you're just getting better."






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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:51 PM
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129. Poindexter, Negroponte, Elliot, Rice - all Iran-Contra. Was Gates, also?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 12:05 PM
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175. Yep. Gates helped obstruct the investigation. n/t
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 12:24 PM
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51. Cocaine pipeline financed rebels by Gary Webb
http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/webb.html

Gary Webb's Incendiary 1996 SJ Mercury News Expos
These articles were downloaded from the web site of the Seattle Times, since the San Jose Mercury News has removed the entire series from their web site.

Gary Webb's career as a professional journalist was destroyed shortly after these articles were published. Anyone who challenges the House of Rockefeller is persona non grata throughout the establishment.

-The Editor

Cocaine pipeline financed rebels
Evidence points to CIA knowing of high-volume drug network

by Gary Webb
San Jose Mercury News


For the better part of a decade, a San Francisco Bay Area drug ring sold tons of cocaine to the Crips and Bloods street gangs of Los Angeles and funneled millions in drug profits to an arm of the contra guerrillas of Nicaragua run by the Central Intelligence Agency, the San Jose Mercury News has found.


This drug network opened the first pipeline between Colombia's cocaine cartels and the black neighborhoods of Los Angeles, a city now known as the "crack" capital of the world. The cocaine that flooded in helped spark a crack explosion in urban America - and provided the cash and connections needed for L.A.'s gangs to buy weapons.


It is one of the most bizarre alliances in modern history: the union of a U.S.-backed army attempting to overthrow a revolutionary socialist government and the "gangstas" of Compton and South-Central Los Angeles.


The army's financiers - who met with CIA agents before and during the time they were selling the drugs in L.A. - delivered cut-rate cocaine to the gangs through a young South-Central crack dealer named Ricky Donnell Ross.


Unaware of his suppliers' military and political connections, "Freeway Rick" turned the cocaine powder into crack and wholesaled it to gangs across the country.

Drug cash for the contras


Court records show the cash was then used to buy equipment for a guerrilla army named the Fuerza Democratica Nicaraguense (Nicaraguan Democratic Force) or FDN, the largest of several anti-communist groups commonly called the contras.


While the FDN's war is barely a memory today, black America is still dealing with its poisonous side effects. Urban neighborhoods are grappling with legions of homeless crack addicts. Thousands of young black men are serving long prison sentences for selling cocaine - a drug that was virtually unobtainable in black neighborhoods before members of the CIA's army brought it into South-Central in the 1980s at bargain-basement prices.


And the L.A. gangs, which used their enormous cocaine profits to arm themselves and spread crack across the country, are still thriving.


"There is a saying that the ends justify the means," former FDN leader and drug dealer Oscar Danilo Blandon Reyes testified during a recent cocaine-trafficking trial in San Diego. "And that's what Mr. Bermudez (the CIA agent who commanded the FDN) told us in Honduras, OK? So we started raising money for the contra revolution."

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 12:27 PM
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54. Maybe we should build that wall, after all.
I wonder how many kids these bastards killed.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:23 PM
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59. just think how many are in prisons all over the country because of this
they get used and then thrown away..and there are not many families in this country today ..that has not been touched in some way by this..

the crime family...with connections to Calif and Fla..

and remember back a little over a year ago..that stories of gang writings on walls in Iraq..it was Chicago gang slang..



it never ends with this crime family and those it touches!

Look into MENA Airport..and the connections there as well..

fly
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:31 PM
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61. I haven't seen my youngest in over a year. He's not in prison
or dead or someone would have called me.

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:48 PM
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66. the heartache these bastards have caused nation and world wide..is just reprehensible.
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 01:50 PM by flyarm
and if we don't watch out ..we are headed in the same direction in our party..look up the airport i just mentioned..and of course you have the MKULTRA mind control kids who were used to transport and smuggle the drugs as well..to high powered people throughout the world.

for blackmail..and other crimes ..

oh and i just had a big time actor at a charity event tell me..don't go into all that ..people will think you are nuts!!..lol

but then i spent the evening with Matt Damons business agent..and i told him..that is what all the Bourne films are about..and he and i talked for 4 hours about it all..and how so many CIA guys talk to Matt about it all the time!!

so who's nuts???????

fly
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:03 PM
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71. Yep. There's the people who get it and the people who want to
pretend they can't be hurt by it all, that money, power or fame will buffer them.

That's why monied powerful famous people's kids never are impacted by illegal drug use or addiction, right? :sarcasm:
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:53 PM
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68. i pray you hear from him soon..a mothers worst nightmare and worry..indeed!!
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 01:55 PM by flyarm
no mother should have to bare that fear and worry..or have their child be hurt by this crap..its just not right.

and the mother fuckers doing it to our kids are little lord pissy pants and the crime family..gosh..i hate these criminals!

in every way.

I hope you find him..i pray you do.

fly
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:04 PM
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72. Thank you, fly.
:hug:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #61
141. I'm so sorry. :(
:hug: You are a strong woman.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:03 PM
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132. they get 'used' - do those who get used even understand that they are tools of
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 10:07 PM by higher class
a criminal element of the U.S. Government?

U.S. Government side benefit - take able bodied men off the streets and make prisons a privatized money machine.

Just like Abu Graib and Diego Garcia.

We then created 'Mexican' prisons.

For the future, there are those vacated, but maintained former military bases set up and ready to go as prisons (if true)

Just like church prisons - what happened to the story after Katrina - flood victims taken to mountain church camps run by religious - could not make contact with anyone?

Yep, able bodied men off the streets - a secondary goal.

Taxpayers paying for the mattresses and excercise machines and guards who might be used against us if we protest too much.

There are always multiple, overlaping dollar agendas in the palm of the hand and that's how they shake. They slice it up, dice it up, and plant, sow, and reap, then store outside the U.S.
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 04:46 PM
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92. Good article.nt
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 12:24 PM
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52. Damn, Dubya's back to using big time.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 12:44 PM
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55. I am so glad to see the link was not Madcow
He's been saying this but can't use his link
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:35 PM
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106. I have no doubt he'll pick it up...

...it'll be interesting to see madcowprod's thoughts on this one.

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:40 PM
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124. Daniel has been all over the Clearwater area..no one knows it better!
count on it that he wil be all over this!

fly
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 07:33 PM
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117. A federal prosecutor my cousin may've dated once said to her...
...imagine the iceberg. We just catch a glimpse of what is there. What we don't know is sooooo much more than what we do.

He also said that when it comes to government corruption, we can't just multiply what we know by ten. It is much, much bigger than that. He said it is unimaginably bad.

BTW: The guy had friends who worked on HSCA. He gave me the hairy eyeball when I asked him the obvious question regarding Dallas. He looked at me and said,

"What do you think?"
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alstephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:01 PM
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56. Wow. Bookmarking for later...lots of important info in this thread.
Thanks.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:02 PM
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57. delivering junior's stash????
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:03 PM
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58. George Bush is from Oxford, CT?
He was born in New Haven, CT and raised in Texas. His father George Bush was born in Milton, MA and raised in Greenwich, CT. I mean, the author went out of his/her way to point out Oxford is Bush's hometown, but my Google search reveals nothing of the sort.

While I have no doubt that the CIA and/or governmental agencies and officials may be involved in this, seeing a blatant error like that in the story only serves to strengthen naysayers' arguments.

So saying, if anyone has a link that connections the Bushes to Oxford, CT, I'd love to see it.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #58
60. Oxford CT is in New Haven County..eom
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 04:56 PM
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93. Hmmm... I still say it's sloppy reporting.
New Haven County has almost over 800,000 residents, and is a port area with a history of much drug trafficking. (It's where I went to party when I was a young woman in New England.) Directly correlating drug activity in Oxford with George W. Bush is jumping to a lot of conclusions. Linking to the CIA is quite reasonable, but I'm sure Jr. can find the finest coke in DC, Texas, and Maine (all his homes) with no need to have it flown into Connecticut.

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:43 PM
Response to Reply #93
125. not sloppy...IMHO..Oxford is in New Haven County..eom
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #58
118. McClatchy didn't do that. I'm the one who put (Bush's Home Town) in there...
I should have put a disclaimer on that, sorry...
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:48 AM
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165. Thanks for clarifying.
:hi:
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:36 PM
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63. Noooo,
Say it isn't so. I'm shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you. THAT'S WHY BLACKWATER IS GETTING THE, 15 billion dollar, GIG. Less obvious.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:53 PM
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67. Sounds like Carlyle needs to replenish petty cash.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #67
69. or Blackwater.........eom
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:00 PM
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70. I don't know why it's not EXTREMELY OBVIOUS to everyone that the Bush Family is deep in the coke biz
Iran/Contra. Two sons conveniently positioned as governors in border states that have large cocaine traffic running through them. Bush Jr's borderline coke ruined personality.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:07 PM
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73.  who sold plane on Aug. 30 to Donna Blue Aircraft
who sold plane on Aug. 30 to Donna Blue Aircraft, 'a company that had owned it for 10 years' according to purchaser.



http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N987SA provides origin of flight, Fort Lauderdale Executive, Florida.

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=...
has 3 pics of plane in Florida, Rio & LA.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/r... /
has brief report of crash, nice photo, link to El Universal story (hablo Espanol?).
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:53 PM
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75. weird ..i just checked the NTSB accidents and it is not listed at all..eom
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #73
91. S/A Holding LLC
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 04:47 PM by DrDebug
The register between 2002 and 2004 was:

S/A Holding LLC
100 Ring Road West Unit 101
Garden City
New York
516-248-4920

http://worldcontent.twoday.net/stories/1505822 /

Because the suffix was still SA and not DB (for Donna Blue) it must still have been owned by S/A Holding until August 30, 2007.

The problem is that nothing is known about S/A Holding except that they own a private heliplatform at Somerset Plaza Hotel.

Their address and phone numbers are shared by:
* Stein & Bernhard
* Wsa Equities Llc
* 61st Street Realty Development Co.
* Ny City Builders Group Inc
* Anchorage Woods Inc

All of them are either real estate agents or building contractors.

Stein & Bernhard is the most common name used by that address / telephone number, however it used to be named "Mall Center LLC"

Company Profile: Mall Center Llc
Year Started:1958
State of Incorporation:N/A
URL:www.mallcenter.com
Location Type:Single Location
Stock Symbol:N/A
Stock Exchange:N/A
Also Does Business As:Stein & Bernhard *
NAICS:N/A
SIC #Code: View Details
Est. Annual Sales: View Details
Est. Employees: 7
Est. Employees at Location: 7
Contact Name: Donald Stein
Contact Title: Partner

http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_n5s3x

*That should read: many different names...
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #91
96. The Somerset Plaza Hotel was sold by the Blackstone Group
Two days ago

Coincidence?
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #96
98. Blackstone is like Carlyle

The Man Who Knows Too Much

An Interview with Al Martin, author of "The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran Contra Insider"
(PART 1)

by Uri Dowbenko

GLOBAL MASTERS OF FRAUD
Because of Blackstone's involvement in many high-level high-profile frauds like the Russian Bailout and the Mexican Bailout, one could assume that the company itself was a CIA "cut-out," an actual propretary of the Agency.

"No, it's not," says Martin. "They're just sympathizers. They're an asset of the agency. They're not a cut-out. They're just one of the legion of financial companies, mostly domiciled in Washington or northern Virginia, which the CIA turns to, on occasion, to launder money, or for some other illegal purpose."

(...)

"The Carlyle Group, which is Frank Carlucci, and the Blackstone Investment Group are virtually one and the same. Two different names, but they are virtually the same organization," he continues. "All they do is ride the crest of the waves of various frauds from country to country. Before the so-called Global Financial Crisis of 1998, Blackstone and Carlyle suddenly opened up an office in Jakarta. They didn't have an office in Jakarta before because they were very friendly with President Sukarto. Sukarto gave them all sort of inside capabilities to short, or sell short, the Indonesian rupiah which nobody really had the ability to do because the currency wasn't particularly liquid. They do on a large scale on a multi-billion dollar scale what Richard Hamil does on a multi-million dollar scale."

http://www.almartinraw.com/uri1.html
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 05:35 AM
Response to Reply #96
169. One more hotel owned by the same group: Hotel Gansevoort, NY
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 05:40 AM by DrDebug
W S A Management Ltd (Anchorage Woods)
100 Ring Rd W Unit 101, Garden City, NY 11530-3205, United States
Phone: (516) 248-4920
Also Does Business As:Anchorage Woods

SIC:Real Estate Agents and Managers
Line of Business:Real Estate Agent/Manager
Detailed W S A Management Ltd Company Profile

This company profile is for the private company W S A Management Ltd, located in Garden City, NY. Anchorage Woods's line of business is real estate agent/manager.

Company Profile: W S A Management Ltd
Year Started:1981
State of Incorporation:NY
URL:N/A
Location Type:Single Location
Stock Symbol:N/A
Stock Exchange:N/A
Also Does Business As:Anchorage Woods
NAICS:N/A
SIC #Code: View Details
Est. Annual Sales: View Details
Est. Employees:6
Est. Employees at Location:6
Contact Name:William Achenbaum
Contact Title: President

http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_vf981


Gansevoort West is Dead, Gansevoort South Gets Managing Director
7/18/2007 at 12:38 PM

We confess. We had pretty much forgotten about Gansevoort West which was to open at 9th and Grand Avenue in downtown Los Angeles, thanks to a severe news drought on the property.

Anyways we inquired about the property's future and got carefully-worded reply from developers WSA Management and the Chetrit Group:

WSA Management will wholly own and manage the Gansevoort South hotel and condominium development in Miami. The Chetrit Group will develop the 9th Street/Grand Avenue project in Los Angeles under a different brand name; WSA Management will not be involved.

Later, we found LA Curbed's post on the hotel death.

Anyways, WSA Management is William Achenbaum's development group and he is the owner of the original Hotel Gansevoort in NYC. The Chetrit group is also based in NYC.

So there you have it. Gansevoort West is dead. Now, we just need to know what kind of hotel brand the Chetrit Group is putting in. Hopefully, not another Thompson Hotel.

http://www.hotelchatter.com/story/2007/7/18/1282/21144/...


So S/A stands for STEIN / ACHENBAUM right?
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:38 AM
Response to Reply #169
182. William Achenbaum confirmed as owner until Aug 30, 2007 from at least 2002 onwards
Edited on Sun Sep-30-07 03:41 AM by DrDebug
From the follow up report:

Drugs on crashed plane belonged to Mexico's biggest dealer
By Jay Root and Kevin G. Hall | McClatchy Newspapers
Posted on Friday, September 28, 2007

(...)

Malago and his business partner, Eduardo Dias Guimaraes, had owned the plane only since August, when their Florida-based Donna Blue Aircraft, an aviation sales company, bought the plane from a holding company owned by New York real estate developer and thoroughbred horse owner William Achenbaum.

Adding to the plane's mystery are allegations that it made trips in 2003, 2004 and 2005 between the United States and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where the U.S. detention center for suspected terrorists is located.

Employees of Achenbaum wouldn't discuss how the plane was used while he owned it. They referred calls to William Cripe, who runs Air Rutter International in Long Beach, Calif. Cripe said he leased the plane for a year until it was sold, using it in his charter service. He said the plane didn't fly to Cuba or to the Caribbean while his company operated it.

(...)

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/20104.html


A typical diversion, because Air Rutter wasn't doing the rentals during the rendition flights, it was Richmore who was renting the plane at the time.

Cannonfire is on the story as well and also discovered that William Achenbaum (and his son Michael and partner Donald Stein) were the last owners of the drug plane before it was sold to non-existing non-legit entities (see N900SA ownership cover up last year)


Who owned the jet at the time of the alleged rendition flights?

Here, the trail gets m urk.y

Before the sale to Malago, the jet was leased to (some accounts say owned by) Air Rutter International, a charter airline service operating out of Long Beach, California and Farmingale, New York. Their present fleet includes four Gulfstreams and two Bombadier Challengers.

I have seen no indications that this company, run by a man named William Cripe, is anything other than a reputable and honest charter airline service. Cripe insists that the jet did not make any trips to Guantanamo or other "rendition" sites during the time when his firm used the craft. As noted earlier, those flights are said to have occurred during the 2003-2005 period; Cripe seems to have leased the jet after this time.

The man he leased it from -- the actual owner of the jet -- is a rather interesting figure: New York landowner, developer and race horse enthusiast William Achenbaum.

Achenbaum and his son Michael are best-known as the owners of the Gansevoort Hotel in New York City. They were the key figures in a heated (and rather amusing) local controversy over a billboard which critics considered an eyesore. In 2004, Achenbaum ran into difficulties when he attempted to purchase another hotel (1) in Miami for $54 million.

A quick Google search has uncovered no allegation of illegal activity involving Achembaum -- except for this story (2), which claims that a broker for Achenbaum tried to bribe a city official back in 1976.

According to this (3) German-language article (the reliability of which I cannot yet determine), the actual operator of the craft during the 2003-05 time frame was Richmor Aviation "which offers airplanes for subletting, some of which were used for the conspiratorial operations of the CIA." The Richmor home page is here; they also have a flight school.

Note the pattern: A New York businessman buys a Gulfstream which is operated by Richmor, which uses the jet for "spoo ky" activity.

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com /

Links:
1. http://www.hotel-online.com/News/PR2004_3rd/Aug04_PalmC...
2. http://www.sevenstories.com/closeup/index.cfm?page=hess...
3. http://oraclesyndicate.twoday.net/stories/4296112 /


The Stein / Achenbaum real estate group is very interesting, because they were very irrelevant until about 2000 when their fortune changed and bought the 80 John Street condo near Wall Street from Tamir Sapir another rags-to-riches person who started as a taxi driver and is now a multi million dollar real estate owner as well. ( http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4943&pag... )

And then they started to branch up by building uptown luxury hotels like Hotel Gansevoort and a couple of other hotels which are either still under construction or have been sold on to their new found friends like Blackstone Group and Chetrit Group (Sears Tower, Chicago)

So what triggered their rags-to-riches story? Was it financed from those $5,600/hour plane rentals for intelligence?
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:01 AM
Response to Reply #182
183. Thanks DrDebug, and everyone else who has contributed so much to this story.
I haven't interacted with the thread because I simply don't have anything of substance to add to it. In other words, my research skills suck, plus I've got the attention span of a gnat, but I knew I could depend on DUers to get the goods on this story. There's an important story in there somewhere, and ya'll are doing a damned good job of getting it out...

Thanks again, everyone...

PEACE!
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 04:00 AM
Response to Reply #182
199. NYPost picked up the story/ Air Rutter, Russian mobsters and Rudy Giuliani
Before you are going to say that the NYPost is a tabloid ... the story can be validated.


CRASH JET HAD AIR OF MYSTERY
By DAN MANGAN

October 1, 2007 -- A corporate jet owned by a principal in a trendy Meatpacking District hotel reportedly made several mysterious flights over the years to the U.S. military installation in Guantanamo Bay where terror suspects are held.

The jet was managed and offered for charter by a company owned by the hotelier's business associate.

Yesterday, a lawyer for an ex-worker at the air-charter company said his client knew that up to 80 percent of the firm's rentals of its fleet of planes involved "confidential, governmental flights."

Ex-employee Mark Billey said there were "governmental people, armed people. He did recall flights to Long Beach where they did have a lot of U.S. Marshals," according to the lawyer, Ian Friedman, who spoke to Billey in an Ohio federal prison yesterday.

(...)

When Achenbaum owned the plane, it was managed by a Long Beach, Calif., company, Air Rutter International, which offered it for charter.

Air Rutter is owned by Arik Kislin of Long Island, who according to the Hotel Gansevoort's liquor license is also a principal in the hotel.

Earlier this year, The Post reported that a Manhattan company Kislin ran in the 1990s had sponsored a U.S. visa sought by an alleged Russian mob hit man.

(...)

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10012007/news/worldnews/cra...


We've already seen that the empire of Achenbaum started with real estate owned by Tamir Sapir who is better known as the Russian billionary cabbie who started as a NY cab driver and via electronics to Russia and real estate became a billionaire thirty years later.

Can we get a confirmation on Kislin's involvement with Achenbaum?


LA VOZ DE AZTLAN
Los Angeles, Alta California
October 3, 2007

MEXICO: Jet plane that crashed with 4 tons of cocaine tied to the CIA and the Russian Mafia

(...)

The Gulfstream II jet plane with tail number N987SA has been traced to William Achenbaum, a wealthy New York real estate tycoon (in the manner of Larry Silverstein). Achenbaum says that the jet plane was being managed by Air Rutter International that according to the New York Post is owned by Arik Kislin of Long Island in New York. Arik Kislin is the nephew of Semyon Kislin that the Center for Public Integrity alleges is a powerful Russian Mafia member. The Kislin family, Jewish immigrants from Russia, have made very large contributions to the political campaigns of Rudy Giuliani.

http://www.aztlan.net/cia_russian_mafia.htm


A friend of Giuliani, eh?
Let's find the Center for Public Integrity story


FBI Tracked Alleged Russian Mob Ties of Giuliani Campaign Supporter
By Knut Royce

WASHINGTON, December 14, 1999 — The Center for Public Integrity is investigating how billions of dollars of allegedly corrupted money from the former Soviet Union have found a haven in the United States, despite strict anti-laundering laws. Last month, the Center reported how a small San Francisco bank became a conduit for questionable funds as it, like many other banks around the country, aggressively pursued the cash from the former Soviet Bloc. Today the Center reports on how political campaigns, also aggressively chasing after cash, end up with equally questionable contributions as suspected Russian organized crime figures seek to move into the U.S. political mainstream In future articles, the Center will show how the failure to sift the good money from bad is being replayed all over America.

A prominent commodities trader who acknowledges a business history with a reputed Soviet Bloc crime figure and a notorious arms dealer has been one of New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani's top campaign supporters. Giuliani is expected to be the Republican candidate next year for a U.S. Senate seat from New York.

(...)

A 1996 Interpol report claims that Kislin's firm, Trans Commodities, Inc., was used by two reputed mobsters from Uzbekistan, Lev and Mikhail Chernoy, for fraud and embezzlement. And a confidential 1994 FBI intelligence report on the Brooklyn, N.Y., mob organization headed by Vyacheslav Ivankov, the imprisoned godfather of Russian organized crime in the United States, lists Kislin as a "member/associate" of Ivankov's gang. It claims that his company co-sponsored a Russian crime boss and contract killer for a U.S. visa and asserts that he was a "close associate" of the late notorious arms smuggler Babeck Seroush, who later settled in Russia.

(...)

Kislin said he met Seroush, who he said also trafficked in narcotics in Russia, through the arms dealer's former wife, who was a personal friend. "I used to go to their house on the West Side in New York City," he said.

(...)

Kislin said he had been thoroughly investigated by the FBI and has never been charged with a crime. He acknowledged that Trans Commodities employed Mikhail Chernoy as the company's manager between 1988 and 1992, but said he knew Lev Chernoy only in passing. "Mikhail Chernoy is the best man I ever knew," he said.

(...)

And to Giuliani, Kislin is one of his staunchest supporters. Kislin and his wife, Ludmila, gave Giuliani a total of $14,250 in direct contributions between 1994 and 1997.

(...)

http://membership.publicintegrity.org/report.aspx?aid=3...


And this is not first time that Achenbaum was close to dubious circles:


William S. Achenbaum, the Owner of Gansevoort Hotel New York City,
Attempting to Buy the $54 million Mortgage on the Royal Palm Crowne Plaza Resort, Miami

By Douglas Hanks III, The Miami Herald
Knight Ridder/Tribune Business News

Aug. 13, 2004 - A New York hotelier has signed a contract to buy the $54 million mortgage on the Royal Palm Crowne Plaza Resort, and he said he hopes either to foreclose on the Miami Beach hotel or force a sale of the business.

The mortgage came due Saturday, and the hotel's owner, R. Donahue Peebles, is negotiating with Union Planters Bank to extend the loan, his lawyer said Thursday. Union Planters had tried to sell the loan last month to William S. Achenbaum, the owner of a boutique Manhattan hotel who said he is eager to take over the Royal Palm's oceanfront location in South Beach.

(...)

http://www.hotel-online.com/News/PR2004_3rd/Aug04_PalmC...


Peebles was of course a former partner of Gus Boulis ( http://nabhood.com/story.cfm/mode/5 ) who was a casino operator and real estate owner who was murdered in 2001 alledgely over the SunCruz Casinos which he sold to Jack Abramoff ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konstantinos_%22Gus%22_Bou... ). See: Abramoff-Reed Indian Gambling Scandal.

And the circle of organized crime, CIA and government officials goes round and round...
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softlabhennef Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-06-07 08:51 AM
Response to Reply #199
203. Achenbaum & Kislin
Donations in 2006:
http://209.85.129.104/search?q=cache:YWbP3cO-egwJ:www.c...
Same day, same amount, very interesting (also MGM) :toast:
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 05:58 AM
Response to Reply #182
200. PorEsto! (Mexican newspaper): Plane already made 3 drug trips on a temp reg.
According to the Mexican newspaper Por Esto! the plane was on its fourth drug trip and was refused access to the airport hence its crash because it ran out of fuel. The newspaper also states that Donna Blue was a temporary owner of the airplane (Aug 30, 2007 until Sept 30, 2007) and that the ownership would have returned to S/A Holding LLC after Sept 30, 2007 if the plane had not crashed. This story is only found on Mexican sources though, however it would explain why the airplane was still marked SA and not DB which would have been normal in case a plane changes owner (the suffix is a one or two letter abbreviation of the owner) and that it was temporarily rented to the mysterious Donna Blue for a cocaine shipment in order to obscure the real owners of the plane.

Original URL: http://www.poresto.net/content/view/1836/27
Poor babelfish translation follows:


Barrera of silence.
s?do, 29 of September of 2007

During the last months, the Central Agency of Intelligence of the United States used in four occasions, at least, the same Gulf Stream II, with matriculation N987SA, that fell Monday last in mounts of Tixkokob with a shipment of more than six tons of Colombian pure cocaine.

Three of those clandestine operations, tie all with the drug trafficking, registered the following itinerary: Florida-Cancun-Maiquetia (Simn Bolvar, Venezuela)-Cancun-United States.

One fourth made the route Black Flowery-Cancu'n-River (Colombia), but to the return, with the drug on board, refused the landing to him in the Airport the International of Cancn (by ignorance of the new guard), and the same happened in the one of Mrida, until collapsing near the municipal head of Tixkokob, failed the "negotiations" and once exhausted the fuel.

(...)

In the Airport the International of Cancn "proceedings, binnacles and registries of the Grumman with the tons of cocaine were erased ". At central level, a "barrier ofsilence " was orderedon maneuvers and landings

(...)

http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr?tt=url&url=http%3A%2F...


Original URL: http://www.poresto.net/content/view/1666/27
Poor babelfish translation follows:

Serious lies
Friday, 28 of September of 2007

One looks for to confuse to the Public opinion and to move away it of the Truth around the collapse of the narcotics detective-Grumman who fell Monday in mounts of Tixkokob/ the company, behind the operation of the drug gathered in River Negro, Colombia the destiny of the alkaloid and its "last one" was the United States

(...)

The Grumman Gulfstream II, with matriculation N987SA, belongs to the S/A Holdings LLC, company that the company uses for "making up" the hiring destined to special operations, of clandestine character, to the margin and against the own American Constitution.
The destiny of the Colombian cocaine was the United States. And the route Black Cancu'n-River, Colombia, ALREADY had been crossed sometimes previous.

(...)

Let us review what has happened until now:

1. - The origin of the airship Grumman Gulfstream II with matriculation N987SA totally is confirmed: it belongs to S/A Holdings LLC, with seat in Garden City, New York. He was offered in rent by Air Rutter International, with bases in Long Beach, California and Farmingdale, New York and "was acquired temporarily" (of the 30 of August to the 30 of September of the 2007, according to the official registry of aeronautics of that country) by Donna Blue Inc. Aircraft, with address in Lyons Technology Pkwy Ste. 8 of Coconut Creek, Florida, according to informed Bill Crip, general manager of Air Rutter International. The airplane made periodic trips between Cancn and Florida, so that it is logical to suppose that the cocaine shipment had as destiny the neighboring country of the north. Nevertheless, according to the SIEDO, the drug he was destined to the cartel of Sinaloa. It already investigates the DEA to the North American industralists who head these businesses?

(...)

6. - The PGR, instance that affirmed in a government reporter that both stopped -- Dante Pat Caamal and Leonel Ayala Lopez -- they tried "to bribe" to the military when offering to them "money so that they left in freedom the people who came in the airplane and that they gave the drug to them", she has not shown until now that money, indispensable test of the crime, and she has not explained either how they tried the accused ones to take the drug of the place. Surplus to say that this official version does not swallow anybody.

(...)

http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr?tt=url&url=http%3A%2F...
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:16 PM
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74. Oxford, CT is where one of the anthrax victims lived.
Doesn't cocaine kind of resemble anthrax in appearance?

Hmm...
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:54 PM
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77. do you have any info on who that victim was?? eom
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:02 PM
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79. here is some info..
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0111/22/ltm.03.h...
MORNINGS WITH PAULA ZAHN
Authorities Close Off Neighborhood of Connecticut Anthrax Victim
Aired November 22, 2001 - 07:08 ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
LEON HARRIS, CNN ANCHOR: Turning now to bioterrorism, anthrax arrives in small town USA. An elderly Connecticut woman is dead of inhaled anthrax and investigators are baffled.

Michael Okwu is standing by in Oxford, Connecticut with what's known about the mystery death thus far -- Michael, good morning.

MICHAEL OKWU, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning to you, Leon.

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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:01 PM
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78. hmmh. . . it all sounds suspicious. rec'd glad it's McClatchey
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:05 PM
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81. Alfred McCoy's classic The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 03:09 PM by EVDebs
http://www.drugtext.org/library/books/McCoy/default.htm

says it all; Peter Dale Scott's book on cocaine trade is another goodie, Cocaine Politics

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Drug_War/Cocaine_Poli...

Then to see where all this money is skimmed to , go to Tim Weiner's book

http://www.namebase.org/sources/PR.html

Bottom line, an extra-Constitutional funding pipeline that's "off the books". What they can't get out of the public defense dollars they get from offshore.
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allisonthegreat Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:37 PM
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83. Many years from now or maybe sooner
We will have proof that government is highly involved in the drug trade. Betcha! :smoke: But yet they want to bust medical marijuana patients for having a supply of grass to help them through chemo. Totally unfair!
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:56 PM
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84. It's all about 'plausible deniability'. While de jure they're against it
de facto they support the drug trade for 'intelligence' capabilities and covert action funding, along with a little cream on the side for the appropriate campaigns and politicians/bureaucrats.

The 'War on drugs' is a fiasco. It's all about the money.
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BornagainDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:39 PM
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102. You ain't gonna believe who orchestrated the campaign to make hemp illegal...
it was the Duponts back in the twenties when the use of hemp for paper threatened their wood pulp-paper business. William Randolph Hearst was in on the Dupont PR campaign because he had timber investments out West. :crazy:
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:34 PM
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139. That is just for the constituency - the ones who hate smoking
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 10:35 PM by higher class
hippies and Mexicans Moslems libruls and people whose skin and clothes religion sex and jobs they don't like.


'Mexican' also always includes Hondurans, Nicaraguans, Guatemalans - all those criminals - geography and other distinctions don't matter.

That is who the Just Say No is meant to appeal to. The Just Say No voters.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:21 PM
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135. nine kinds of pipelines - oil water weapons drugs money deals secrets prisoners aircraft
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 04:07 PM
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85. Dimson and Jebbie's personal stash?
:shrug:
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 04:32 PM
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88. And who was taking joy rides to Guantanamo? And why?
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flying_wahini Donating Member (856 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 04:38 PM
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89. thank you for this article
good work.
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 04:44 PM
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90. some other details
No bodies were found in the wreckage but soldiers discovered 132 bags containing about 3.6 tons of the drug. The jet went down in the town of Tixkokob in the state of Yucatan, Mexico, 160 miles from beach resort Cancun.

Witnesses said they had seen military helicopters following it until it crashed Tixkokob assistant police chief Ernesto Hernandez said: "The plane was flying over the town for almost two hours. That's why we called the army."

The plane was a Gulfstream II jet capable of carrying up to 21 people.

It was registered to Donna Blue Aircraft in Coconut Creek, Florida, according to a search of its identification number on the US Federal Aviation Administration's website. But there was no company with that name listed in Coconut Creek.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/news/tm_headline=jet-...

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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:04 PM
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94. Could someone please explain?... No bodies?..
I suppose if the pilot/passengers survived they beat feet out of there...but the account sounds like the plane "crashed", so did someone come and collect the bodies? What am I missing? Very strange...
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:16 PM
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97. The three people on the plane were arrested
The best overview of the events is at the Professional Pilot forum who translated some Mexican clippings. It is unclear whether the plane crashed because it was chased or was shot down. The passengers and pilot did escape but were later arrested.


From: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3602062

(...)

.......The jet went down in the town of Tixkokob in the state of Yucatan, Mexico, 160 miles from beach resort Cancun.

Witnesses said they had seen military helicopters following it until it crashed Tixkokob assistant police chief Ernesto Hernandez said: "The plane was flying over the town for almost two hours. That's why we called the army.".........

It was registered to Donna Blue Aircraft in Coconut Creek, Florida, according to a search of its identification number on the US Federal Aviation Administration's website. But there was no company with that name listed in Coconut Creek........

(...)

I translated this article from the todays local paper "Diario de Yucatan"

Police Secrecy
A mystery surrounds to the case of the airplane with drugs at Tixkokob
Third person stopped: a Colombian who was on the high ground.

In spite of the tight police secrecy that surrounds to the case of the narco airplane at Tixkokob. Some new details were revealed yesterday that fortify the hypothesis that it indicates that the narcotics traffickers had contacts in Quintana Roo as in Yucatan as much.

The authorities arrested a third person, apparently a Colombian, who had taken shelter in high ground at Tixkokob near the place where the airplane crash landed than three tons of cocaine destined for Cancn.

The South American, one the crew of the airplane - the other a woman, was taken from the scene at seven at night with the face covered to the facilities of the PGR in Mrida. Where there are also two yucatecans who were arrested yesterday after acting suspiciously near the crash site.

It was known that the soldiers of the Army acted practically single handedly in the operation of the seizure, without the aid of federal or state police, in order to ensure there was no infiltration.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:16 PM
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134. notice army acted alone
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 10:17 PM by kineneb
It was known that the soldiers of the Army acted practically single handedly in the operation of the seizure, without the aid of federal or state police, in order to ensure there was no infiltration.

...perhaps because the federal and state police would steal the evidence for their own purposes, or because they would have passed on the plane's cargo to the "rightful" owners... Hmmmmmm.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 05:21 PM
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178. Thanks for that. Wonder if they'll identify any of the culprits. Heh! n/t
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 08:05 PM
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119. Maybe it is flown remotely, like the UAV drones are...
...some CIA flunky in the basement of Langly is flying a plane from point A to point B - has no idea what is in the cargo hold.

According to reports, the plane was circling the Mexican town of Tixkokob until it was crash landed. No bodies found.

So maybe, my guess, would be that if it was a drone, somehow their was a disconnect between command control and the airplane so it went into safety mode - until it crashed. Hence, no bodies.

I know, its a WILD guess.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 05:06 PM
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95. k&r
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greiner3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:05 PM
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103. I say waterboard the damn pilot;
He'll squeal on bushco and we can get on with being Americans :rofl:
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:25 PM
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104. oes anyone know if Kieth Olbermann has this story? n/t
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:31 PM
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105. The drug war originally was a movement by the government to get
minorities out of the job market and into jail (during the depression). Now, it most certainly is a way to fund black-ops. It's always worked rather well. And not only can they sell those drugs, the can incarcerate those that buy them. It's a multi-tasker tool.
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:39 PM
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107. So effective in fact...

...one wonders why they even needed the war on terror, which is merely the sequel.

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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:41 PM
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108. Kicking for the cocaine plane! n/t
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:43 PM
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109. Calling Daniel Hopsicker!
n/t
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:50 PM
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110. Interesting, digging up more info on the plane
I did a quick search on airliners.net for this plane, sure enough, there are pictures of it. Apparently, it is owned by a company called "S/A Holdings, LLC". A quick search on Google turned up empty. Hmmmmmmmmm... this is a very curious mystery, indeed.

Pictures:

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=...
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:46 PM
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126. see post #73 by seemslikeadream..she has it all there..eom
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:49 PM
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127. see post 39...
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:02 PM
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131. then go to post 91 and follow comments re: S/A....
VERY INTERESTING indeed.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 06:53 PM
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112. 4 TONS - 4 TONS
On a plane like this? Is that why it crashed?

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NoGodsNoMasters Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 07:17 PM
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115. I really hope this gets more coverage..
In Iran/Contra the drug connections were swept under the rug, this should be FULLY investigated.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:49 PM
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128. supposedly the plane was circling for around 2 hours..it may have been burning off fuel..
Edited on Fri Sep-28-07 09:50 PM by flyarm
with the heavy load, if it wanted or needed to land..it may have been too heavy to land...why else would it have been seen circling for around 2 hours..

usually if an aircraft is circling like that, it is to burn off fuel..

( ok flight attendant in me ..comes with this answer)

but with that heavy a load..it would have been dangerous to land with a full load of fuel..and that heavy a payload.

just my 2 cents.

fly
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:13 PM
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120. God bless those plane spotters
And McClatchy, too!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:06 PM
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146. McClatchy hasn't been taken over yet -- hmmmm....
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:53 PM
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130. K & R .....
:kick:
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:21 PM
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136. HERE IS MCCLATCHY'S FOLLOW-UP STORY: Would someone who knows more...
about all of this than I do please post a separate thread with the story if you think it's needed --

Drugs on crashed plane belonged to Mexico's biggest dealer
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/20104.html

MEXICO CITY The four tons of cocaine found aboard a U.S.-registered business jet that crashed in Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula on Monday belonged to Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman, this country's most notorious drug trafficker, Mexican authorities said Friday.

The business jet that was transporting the dope to Mexico from Colombia was purchased just a week before the crash by a U.S. pilot with a history of legal and financial problems in Florida, interviews and official records indicate, but whether the pilot still owned the plane at the time of its crash is unknown.

The complex sale of the Gulfstream II jet and its end in the Mexican jungle highlight the increasingly complicated illicit drug trade. A recent report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office said the trade generates as much as $23 billion a year for Mexico-based drug cartels.

U.S. authorities say as much as 90 percent of the cocaine sold in the U.S. is shipped through Mexico.

At least three suspects, including a Mexican pilot, are in Mexican custody. Mexican authorities say two of the men offered them money if they would give back the cocaine and release any crewmembers....
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:22 PM
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137. This seems a flimsy amalgamation of events to a conclusion, imho.
Apparently, between '03 and '05 the plane flew to Guantanamo State in Cuba.

It has apparently passed through two owners since that time, the last being a cash buy from a party in Miami.

Seems an up and down drug cartel - or private smuggler - buy, and use, to me.

Cash buy of a million dollar plane in Miami = drugs.

I think the CIA rendition flight link is overblown. The German web site that has touted that connection cites Wayne Madsen. Not known for verifiable reporting.

I could obviously be wrong, but just my two cents.



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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:35 PM
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140. DONNA BLUE AIRCRAFT INC (COCONUT CREEK FL)
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N987SA

1975 GRUMMAN AMERICAN AVN. CORP. G-1159
Fixed wing multi engine
(22 seats / 2 engines)



Taken at
Miami - Opa Locka (OPF)
USA - Florida, May 7, 2007

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=...

According to several mexican newspapers, G-II reg. N987SA went down this morning in Yucatan, Mexico, about 20 nm from MID.

It has been reported the plane was carrying 3.2 tons of cocaine. Mexican Air Force EMB-145MP detected the G-II coming from the south (reportedly from Colombia).

Press report in http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/450941.html




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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:05 PM
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145. Just how obvious is it to most Americans that this Drug War is phony????
In fact, it also looks like the great cover for this will be the need to become our enemies . . .
cause they may tap into great wealth from drug-dealing and defeat us!!!

Supposedly there's a document out there -- at least Kissinger having signed -- and others --
re engaging in Drug War for national security reasons!!!!

Great thread by those passing this info along -- !!!

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 05:19 PM
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177. The Bush Junta recently changed the purpose of its multi-billion $$ military aid to Colombia
from the "war on drugs" to the "war on drugs and the war on terra." But the rightwing paramilitaries, who are connected to the rightwing military (recipients of all this U.S. taxpayer largess), and very closely tied to the rightwing Uribe government (Bush's pals), are responsible for 95% of the deaths in Colombia's civil war (with FARC--armed leftist guerrillas), according to reports by humanitarian groups--often deaths of completely innocent parties (union organizers, peasant farmers, political leftists). So WHAT "war on terra" are these billions of our taxpayer dollars intended to fight?

Chiquita just got caught (and fined!!!!@#$!--by the Bush Junta) for paying millions to rightwing paramilitaries, to eliminate union organizing. Also, Blackwater has been active in Colombia, recruiting and training Colombian mercenaries for Iraq.

Someone upthread asked, what the hell does the Bush Junta need cocaine profits for, since they have an open bank vault in Washington DC (other than that coke/heroine are one of their traditional profit centers)? That is, why all this NEW activity?

I think it's for the OTHER war--the one they're planning against the Andes democracies (Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador--and possibly extended to other leftist governments, Argentina, Brazil...). People who are unaware of the sea change in South America--with leftist (majorityist) governments elected in Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, and Uruguay and also Nicaragua, a leftist coming within a hairsbreadth--0.05%--of winning the presidency of Mexico last year, and leftists poised to win in Paraguay and possibly Guatemala this year (and eventually Peru)--may not realize what a profound threat this huge democracy and social justice movement poses to global corporate predator interests, and how very much they need to defeat it, to continue their ungodly profit from this continent (in both extraction of natural resources and use of sweatshop and farm slave labor, and illicit drug and weapons trade).

They are working on all kinds of destabilization tactics--which democracies, of course, are vulnerable to (being open societies)--including all sorts of phony USAID-funded "opposition" groups in Venezuela and Bolivia, who stage "riots" and implement Bushite/CIA plots (2002--plot to overthrow the democratically elected Chavez government and install a rightwing military junta; a few years later--plot to cripple Venezuela with an oil professionals' strike; 2006--plot to publish phony polls that Chavez didn't win the Dec. '06 election (--he won with 63% of the vote, in highly monitored elections), instigate "riots" and once again install a rightwing junta; currently--plot by rich rural landowners in Bolivia to split off oil/gas-rich rural provinces from the central government, so that profits from these resources will not benefit the poor, and will benefit the rich elite and international cartels ("riots," agitation, use of rightwing thugs, use of corporate news media); another probable plot--attempt to embarrass/topple both the Chavez and Kirchner governments (Venezuela, Argentina--which are close allies) with "a suitcase full of cash" boarded onto a diplomatic plane by a mysterious operative. (There is zero evidence that either government is corrupt.)

A common theme of the Bolivarian democracies (Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador) is anti-U.S. "war on drugs." Evo Morales (first indigenous president of Bolivia) was in fact a small coca leaf grower himself, as were his parents. It is a traditional medicine. He campaigned with a wreath of coca leaves around his neck, to emphasize its sacredness to indigenous culture, and his opposition to U.S. toxic pesticide spraying--which kills peasant farmers' food crops, and animals, and damages human DNA--and other murderous activities (on behalf of the big drug lords and U.S. corps).

Thus, there are multiple reasons to destroy democracy in these countries, and reinstall fascist cooperators with U.S.-based global corporations.

We get hardly any news of this social justice movement here--huge as it is in Latin America, and with so many electoral victories in South America. So, many of us may not realize its importance, and what this may mean as to Bush Junta war planning. While they are off destroying Iraq and trying to steal Iraq's and Iran's oil, democracy has reared its beautiful head in the southern half of the western hemisphere and is threatening these very shores. (What if the people of the U.S. decide they want democracy, too? Good God!)

The fascist need to extinguish this trend is very great. None of their typical tactics have worked in South America. And there is overwhelming evidence that their coup plots, etc., have backfired--and have infused these new leftist leaders and their vast number of supporters with yet more determined solidarity.

So, if you were Donald Rumsfeld, what would YOU do? Create a mercenary army, based in Colombia, for border incursions against Venezuela and Ecuador (to keep the pressure on, while other destabilization efforts and plots mature), buy up a huge compound in Paraguay as launching pad for Bolivia (and beef up the U.S. military airbase nearby, with U.S. taxpayer money), and run drugs for the additional billions you can't squeeze from the increasingly debt-ridden, Mideast war-focused U.S. treasury. Also, go to any lengths (including stealing presidential elections) to retain some client states (Mexico, Peru--and likely Guatemala, alas), through which to push the drugs/weapons traffic (including "free trade" profits to local rich elites; "aid" intended for the poor, to be ripped off by the rich, and some of the cream of "war on drugs" money to local rightwing groups and military cabals) .

I'm not saying they will succeed in a war on South America. I don't think they will. But that doesn't mean they can't cause a lot of havoc and suffering. And, as we know with the Bush Junta, that doesn't mean they aren't planning it, and won't try.

We think an attack on Iran is a threat, and it surely is. But what about "under the radar" preparations for war against our southern neighbors? No troops? Don't need 'em. Got mercenaries. Not enough money? Got drugs and weapons trafficking. Opposition by the American people (70% of whom oppose the Iraq War)? 1) Got Diebold/ES&S; and 2) Got vast ignorance about Latin America here (and hatred fueled by war profiteering corporate news monopoly disinformation campaigns against Bolivarian leader Hugo Chavez, and against brown-skinned immigrants).

We need to look not just at evidence of Bush Junta drug trafficking, but also at WHY. Is it being orchestrated with a war plan? Not just greed. Not just love of torture, murder, chaos and injustice. But generating revenue, and getting systems and infrastructure in place, for their OTHER war? I think there is evidence and a good argument for the latter.

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 11:45 PM
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180. Wow -- I've always been quite a reader, but frankly I couldn't do more than ...
scan your post right now --

Though I'm encouraged that beyond the concept of the phoniness of the Drug War that many are more deeply involved in the details -- and trying to inform us all.

Thank you --
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bananarepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:04 AM
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184. The Chinese fought (and lost) the British in an effort to get them to put a stop tothe opium trade.
Edited on Sun Sep-30-07 06:05 AM by bananarepublican
Uncle Sam has been the major international pusher of illicit drugs for a while now. Anyone remember the CIA's front company by the name of Air America!!!
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:46 PM
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152. Some possible connected dots beginning with today's news from Kansas
US Attorney (appointed by his Decider) Eric F. Melgren announces dozens of Crips arrested in Kansas (Senator Brownback's home).

"Dozens charged in Kansas Gang Case" (9-28-2007 wtopnews.com)
http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=104&sid=1258316

Bradley Schlozman "resigned" weeks ago, Melgren was a team player with him in much of former AGAG's politically motivated agenda in Kansas, this was noted in a call for action via a May 10, 2007 press release by Judicial Watchdog calling for creation of a commission to investigate voting rights violations involving Schlozman and Melgren

http://www.1888pressrelease.com/judicial-watchdog-deman...

Like I said in the subjectline, these are some possible connected dots to that BFEE aerial platform in Mexico with tons of cocaine, which could have wound up being distributed anywhere, even Kansas.

Fair use cited on both links

IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:56 PM
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154. Here's a BFEE aircraft related post about a former Green Bay, WI citizen
"University of Wisconsin-Madison alumnus Wallace J. Hilliard, his associates & family merit a post" (posted 8-18-2007 in an informative parent thread)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:47 PM
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 12:14 AM
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156. Kick. Recommend. Very hot thread. Good work OP! N/T
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 12:22 AM
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157. Four tons of cocaine heding for Cancun Mexico, that is about a two week supply
...for that area is it not? What is the American street value of four tons of cocaine? That would convert to roughly 3,629 kilos at how much per kilo....?
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AikidoSoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 12:22 AM
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158. Bush and the Phony "War on Drugs"

http://www.tarpley.net/bush20.htm

FROM: George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography --- by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin
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Chapter -XX- The Phony War on Drugs

SNIP SNIP SNIP SNIP

QUOTE FROM BOOK: "Tommy Teagle, an ex-convict interviewed by Burdick, said he feared that George Bush would have him killed because information in his possession would implicate Jeb Bush in cocaine smuggling. Teagle's story was that Aronow and Jeb Bush had been partners in cocaine trafficking and were $2.5 million in debt to their Columbian suppliers. Dr. Robert Magoon, a friend of Aronow, is quoted in the same location as having heard a similar report. But Teagle rapidly changed his story. Ultimately, an imprisoned convict was indicted for the murder of Aronow.

But the circumstances of the murder remain highly suspect. Starting in 1985, and with special intensity during 1987-88, more than two dozen persons involved in various aspects of the Iran-contra gun-running and drug-running operation met their deaths. At the same time, other persons knowledgeable about Iran-contra, but one or more steps removed from eyewitness knowledge of these operations, have been subjected to campaigns of discrediting and slander, often associated with indictments on a variety of charges, charges which often stemmed from the Iran-contra operations themselves. Above and beyond the details of each particular case, the overall pattern of these deaths strongly suggests that they are coherent with a damage control operation by the networks involved, a damage control operation that has concentrated on liquidating those individuals whose testimony might prove to be most damning to the leading personalities of these networks. The death of Don Aronow occurred within the time frame of this general process of amputation and cauterization of the Iran-contra and related networks. Many aspects of Aronow's life suggest that his assassination may have been a product of the same "damage control" logic.


NOTES:
1. For Bush's "war on drugs", see Jack Anderson and Dale Van Atta, "How Bush Commanded the War on Drugs," Washington Post, June 20, 1988; Lawrence Lifschultz, "Bush, Drugs and Pakistan: Inside the Kingdom of Heroin," The Nation, November 14, 1988; "Drug Czars We Have Known," The Nation, February 27, 1989; and Robert A. Pastor and Jorge Castaneda, Limits to Friendship: The United States and Mexico (New York, 1988), p. 271.

2. "Bush, Drugs, and Pakistan," The Nation, November 14, 1988.

3. See the cover of Newsweek, October 19, 1987 "Fighting the 'Wimp Factor,'" which portrays Bush at the controls of Fidelity. A similar photo appears facing p. 223 in George Bush and Vic Gold, Looking Forward (New York, 1987).

4. See Thomas Burdick and Charlene Mitchell, Blue Thunder (New York, 1990), p. 229. The following account of the relations between Bush and Aronow relies upon this remarkable study."



WOW!

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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 12:29 AM
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159. Bath's back? and Skyway
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 12:35 AM by higher class
"One Bath entity, Skyway Aircraft, leased a $10 million Gulfstream II to the Abu Dhabi National Oil Co., which is controlled by Sheik Zayed bin Sultan an- Nahayan, the President of the United Arab Emirates and the current owner of B.C.C.I. Bath's partners in Skyway, one of four similarly named companies he controls, are artfully hidden. The firm that incorporated Bath's companies in the Cayman Islands is the same one that set up a money-collecting front company for Oliver North in the Iran-contra affair."

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,110191...

Time Mag Sep 28 07 Appears to be a piece?

Edited to add - this from 2001? Shows Sep 28 at top of page. Checking

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,110191...

This url shows Sep 28 07 in upper right - article is 2001

Bath may be out of Skyway by now? I won't delete it yet.
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jdadd Donating Member (950 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 12:50 AM
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160. Check this out
Edited on Sat Sep-29-07 12:54 AM by jdadd
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNu...

Edit to add I see you allready have this information...
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:10 AM
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161. International timezone kick
IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:12 AM
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162. k&r n/t
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:36 AM
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164. Oops, got exposed! Better cover that back up real fast!
:eyes:
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 03:13 AM
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168. And kick! n/t
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 07:06 AM
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174. Kick!
:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 01:07 PM
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176. kick
IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-29-07 10:33 PM
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179. .
IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 02:09 PM
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192. kick
IMPEACH CHENEY FIRST
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riverdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-05-07 07:29 AM
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202. Interesting theories.
Don't know if I buy them all, but something's not right. And there is definitely black ops being done by our government and the drug war is a major part of their revenue stream. They sell the drug war to main street as a moral issue, but insiders on wall street know better.

Of course, what do you expect from the CIA, an organization that was born from the influx of Nazis? Right from the get go, it was whatever means to the end is justified. Our very own Hamas.
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