Hey! I think I know why Obama raised more money than Hillary!

[Clintonista2]

Hillarys day job is being a senator, not fundraising.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. Yeah, she's too busy starting a war with Iran to worry about raising money.

[Clintonista2]

6. How so?

Her vote on the NON-BINDING resolution? Please see my topic Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3551793&mesg_id=3551793

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

Yes.

Her vote on the non binding resolution.

It's some pretty sick shit, failed explanations and apologetics regardless.

[uppityperson]

11. Yes, her vote on a non-binding resolution. Why did she vote aye?

[Clintonista2]

13. See my topic here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3551793&mesg_id=3551793

[uppityperson]

21. So she "symbolically" believes attacking Iran is ok.

Aha. And this is ok, why? So "they" can't say she is "weak on terror" is bs. "They" will say bad things no matter what and pandering to "them" is not what she should be doing. Even though I am against what they voted on, and even though Hillary voted for it, she still will be representing me? pshaw. Politics is dirty business, people vote all sorts of ways for all sorts of reasons, but this is precisely why I have issues with her. "I voted for it but didn't really mean it, trust me, I'll vote against it when it matters." pshaw.

And I'm not going to get into why Obama or others didn't vote, since what he or they did or didn't do has no bearing on what Hillary did.

[Clintonista2]

22. Please state where in the bill it says it's ok to attack Iran

I'll be waiting for your response.

[uppityperson]

25. Technically, by labeling them terrorists, it becomes the same war on terror, so no need

to declare another war, Bush will use this "non-binding" excercise as tacit permission.

[Clintonista2]

28. The bill DOESNT label them as terrorists

In fact, the bill doesn't even use the word "terrorist"! Not even once! I would suggest you refrain from copying Lerkfishes opinions in the future, without being informed.

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/kyl-lieberman.pdf

[uppityperson]

33. Yeah, and the IWR didn't use the words "invade" or "occupy" Iraq

Sometimes another poster says it so well that copying is the best. If you don't like it, tough. ("without being informed", right. :eyes: )

[Bitwit1234]

10. And of course, we have Obama who wouldn't even show up for the vote.

what's his excuse. If the wind blows one way - he's for it....if the wind blows the other way - he's for that.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. It's pretty lame. He should be ashamed of himself for not being there.

That said, there's a league of difference between not being there to vote against it, and voting for it.

[IndianaJones]

2. burn.nt.

[Rabrrrrrr]

3. And so then what is Obama's day job? Line cook?

:eyes:

[Jillian]

4. What is his day job? Campaigner?

[HeraldSquare212]

5. Hillary gets her money at big fundraisers she attends...

Obama gets his over the internet.

See how facts get in the way?

[Clintonista2]

7. Yes, they can get a bit annoying, can't they?

Almost as annoying as Obama having to go ALL THE WAY to work today to cast two very important votes. Oops, nevermind, he was out fundraising.

[HeraldSquare212]

8. I would have preferred Hillary be on the road today...

..and she should feel free to be so for the rest of the legislative session.

[Cha]

30. Gotcha!

But, she's got get in there and be tough..on those terrorists except for bushit, a course.

[uppityperson]

23. oh bullshit. Speaking of not letting facts get in your way.

Edited to add, so Hillary is peachy voting for it, while Obama is bad because he didn't vote, even though it was non-binding and his vote didn't count? bwahahahahahaha.

For what it's worth, I think they all should vote every time on everything.

[saracat]

9. What the heck is wrong with you? Obama is a Senator too and with less of a fundraising arm

that the famous Presidential rolodex of Bill Clinton.More people gave Obama money that is why he outraised her. Hillary's pool of the super rich donor is tapping out!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

12. It's a real mindfuck.

Obama's bad because he wasn't around to vote against it, but Clinton's OK even though she voted for it because it was meaningless.

:rofl:

[Clintonista2]

14. Please see my topic here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3551793&mesg_id=3551793

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. Yeah, I saw it.

Please see logical contradiction here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1915078&mesg_id=1915203

[Clintonista2]

16. Yes, well, I know how much some DUers love pragmatism

:sarcasm:

Then they wonder why we don't win any elections.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

20. Hey, dingus, we won the elections.

What did I stumble into a time warp and wind up in 2005?

The problem is we don't do anything about it after we win.

[TahitiNut]

27. Funny how the more "pragmatic" Democrats get, the more elections (& votes) they lose.

But that's the viewpoint of an independent (me) and not some blame-shifting partisan. :shrug:

[Clintonista2]

29. The last pragmatic Dem to run was Bill

And we know how much he is adored on DU :sarcasm:

[TahitiNut]

31. And the Democrats lost the Congress for 12 years.

:shrug: Bill Clinton was the best Republican President since Eisenhower.

[uppityperson]

34. omg you are killing me here, my sides

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[rodeodance]

18. Topic subject Tally here: But does anyone know why Obama did not vote today? (Kyl-Lieberman amend.)

Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject Tally here: But does anyone know why Obama did not vote today? (Kyl-Lieberman amend.)
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1914898#1914898
1914898, Tally here: But does anyone know why Obama did not vote today? (Kyl-Lieberman amend.)
Posted by rodeodance on Wed Sep-26-07 05:26 PM




http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00349#position

Vote Summary

Question: On the Amendment (Kyl Amdt. No. 3017 as Modified )
Vote Number: 349 Vote Date: September 26, 2007, 12:44 PM
Required For Majority: 3/5 Vote Result: Amendment Agreed to
Amendment Number: S.Amdt. 3017 to S.Amdt. 2011 to H.R. 1585 (National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008)
Statement of Purpose: To express the sense of the Senate regarding Iran.

NAYs ---22

Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Dodd (D-CT)
Feingold (D-WI)
Hagel (R-NE)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Leahy (D-VT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Sanders (I-VT)
Tester (D-MT)
Webb (D-VA)
Wyden (D-OR)


Not Voting - 2

McCain (R-AZ)
Obama (D-IL)

[hedgehog]

35. Chris Mathews reported that he was struck down by a stomach virus.

Some cynics don't believe that this is possible. I mena , just because the man shakes the hands of a hundred strangers a day, eats food prepared who knows how and is running himself ragged, why should we believe him when he says he's ill?

[JVS]

19. And proud we are of all of her fine work at that job.

:sarcasm:

[Marr]

24. In two years that fraud will be saying she 'never thought the WH would use this vote as a

justification for war with Iran' and I bet you'll believe it.

[Devlzown]

26. They will probably be running together

when it's all said and done anyway. It would be the politically expedient thing to do.:puke:

[msongs]

32. thank gosh oprah is not wealthy nt