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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 08:37 PM Original message |
Collapse of US Dollar - Is it purposely engineered? |
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133724 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
1. Perkins ~ CVonfessions Of An Economic Hit Man.... |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
2. Maybe, But It Seems Far-Fetched and Just As Likely To Fail |
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the other one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
3. A fiat currency is designed to collapse from the beginning |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 08:54 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. So this really began under Richard Nixon in 1971 |
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halobeam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 08:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. I thought during national emergencies, the govt is allowed to take our gold now. |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 08:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. That happened in 1933 in FDRs first 100 days I believe |
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the other one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 09:14 PM Response to Reply #9 |
23. Not really true. The gov't ASKED for private gold but |
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halobeam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 10:08 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. thank you |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:05 AM Response to Reply #23 |
40. If you consider the threat of a 10 year prison sentence and a $10,000 fine |
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the other one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 06:47 AM Response to Reply #40 |
45. A loophole you could fly a plane through |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 04:27 PM Response to Reply #45 |
66. Simply not true. Eagles, double eagles, walking and sitting liberties, not to mention |
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the other one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 06:55 AM Response to Reply #40 |
47. And another one |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 04:29 PM Response to Reply #47 |
67. A hoard was defined in the order, $100, read the text at the link I provided. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:42 AM Response to Reply #3 |
39. FDR seized all of the privately owned gold in 1933, by Executive Order 6102. |
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the other one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 06:51 AM Response to Reply #39 |
46. They were paid $20/oz, and when the window closed |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
64. Any commodity can back a currency. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 05:23 AM Response to Reply #64 |
69. How about time?I know the rich would hate it, but it would make for an |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 05:53 AM Response to Reply #3 |
71. You know what FIAT stands for? |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
4. Can't be engineered... |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 08:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Computer internet doesn't overcome that complexity? |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 09:20 PM Response to Reply #8 |
26. It adds to it. Thanks to modern systems for... |
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poverlay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 09:15 PM Response to Reply #4 |
25. Couldn't the value of gold simply be raised enough to be used? Plus, aren't they still winnowing |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 09:28 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Yeah, they're mining gold, but a lot of it.. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:14 AM Response to Reply #25 |
42. Yes and no. If we were to monetize gold it would be worth about |
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formercia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 06:32 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. At the rate the dollar is collapsing |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
6. Rather out in the open for 30 years, don't you think? |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 08:58 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. The borrowing by the little people even in massive numbers |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 09:09 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. Debt: Corporate plus government plus personal (which includes "big" people too) |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 09:11 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. You bet it does, as in $400 trillion when derivatives and hedge funds |
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Dover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
10. Bigger picture? |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 09:00 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. So, you think One World Government (OWG) is behind this? |
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Dover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 09:07 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. More like regional world governance. I think the central banks |
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sicksicksick_N_tired (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
11. I believe it is an organized effort to further concentrate wealth. Yes. I do. n/t |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 09:00 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Financial oligarcy then...??? |
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sicksicksick_N_tired (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 09:14 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. Corporatocracy,...on a global scale. There was a time it was only done to smaller countries,... |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 01:06 AM Response to Reply #24 |
35. As in "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, " but on a global scale? |
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Vilis Veritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 10:05 PM Response to Reply #16 |
32. I like your reasoning here... |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 08:58 PM Original message |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 09:04 PM Response to Original message |
18. Utopia of Ayn Rand...Jesus, please shot me! |
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sam sarrha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
13. the NeoCons believe if they destroy civilization a Utopia will rise out of the ashes |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 09:02 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. The neocons have control of all the money now...uhmmm |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
15. when "selected" in 2000 bush said he would follow a soft dollar policy |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 09:09 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Soft as in Limburger cheese dollar, it smells like it also |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
27. I don't want to sound all black helicopter, |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 09:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. No, do you have a link? 20 years ago was 1987 the October Crash |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 09:54 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. This was something more global |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:10 AM Response to Reply #31 |
41. Please do, I think I know what you're talking about, but can't quite put my |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 12:00 PM Response to Reply #41 |
63. Done. He may be off in Cornwall deflowering maidens, |
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JohnyCanuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-22-07 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
30. Is a debt based financial system the only way to go? |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-24-07 08:38 AM Response to Reply #30 |
68. Not at all, it must be credit based at low interest, that is based on a known quantity |
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pretzel4gore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 12:54 AM Response to Original message |
34. dinasaurs had pea brains... |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 01:14 AM Response to Original message |
36. Dunno about engineering |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:00 AM Response to Original message |
37. Could banks be engineering a dollar crisis to get out from under |
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Beerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:04 AM Response to Original message |
38. I don't have a problem with a currency backed by gold, |
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Phrogman (940 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 05:31 AM Response to Original message |
43. They engineered the virus thats going to crash the dollar, not the crash itself |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 07:30 AM Response to Original message |
48. Two word answer: Think Enron |
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DemReadingDU (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 08:26 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. I have thought that the Bush administration |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 09:21 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Let me verify that notion. The Enron model is how the govt is being run. |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 07:38 AM Response to Original message |
49. The collapse of the dollar and what is to follow |
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DemReadingDU (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 08:34 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Ernest Partridge: A Failed Experiment from 6/5/07 |
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DemReadingDU (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 09:57 AM Response to Reply #51 |
58. oops, article dated 6/5/07. failed experiment from 1981 |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
52. I don't think so. I think the other countries decided to bring us down. |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 06:18 AM Response to Reply #52 |
72. Along with a lot of billionaires and multinational corporations |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
53. Originally yes. But like all manipilations, there are times |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
54. We'd like to pay back our debts in devalued dollars |
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Geek_Girl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
56. Yes |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
57. Our falling dollar makes exposing CIA counterfeiting dollars that much more threatening... |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
59. a link here....... |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
60. its so we can go to the Amero |
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spooked (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:09 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. DON'T say AMERO on this Forum, or you'll be sent to the basement! |
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Dover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:26 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Yes, that's a reality. And property on the Tx/Mexico border is |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
65. Yes it is-make way for the North American Union & the Amero. & oh yeah, King George. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 05:46 AM Response to Original message |
70. If we move back to the gold standard... |
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Buttercup McToots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 07:18 AM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Bump up |
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DemReadingDU (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-25-07 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
74. evening kick |
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