I found out why Kucinich is so far down in the polls.

My New Hampshire phone rings (caller ID 000-000-0000 WTF?)and I pick it up out of curiosity. "This is (talking like a magpie so I haven't got a clue what the name of the company is)Research. Would you like to be part of a poll for the Democratic presidential primary candidate?" I agree and the woman rapidly reads the list of candidates. "Clinton, Obama, Edwards, Dodd, Biden and Richardson." I say, "Kucinich." The woman on the phone says "Who?" I say, "Kucinich. Dennis Kucinich." I hear coaching in the background - apparently the call is being monitored. "I'm sorry, but Dennis Kucinich is not on our list. Is there anyone on the list I gave you who you would vote for?"

So there you have it. Kucinich is down in the polls because he isn't included in the polls . . . and you can forget about Gravel, too.

remember the ABC photo cropping him out? This sucks.

except for exit polling. ANY poll can be manipulated for the desired result.

Doh.

We should trust them. The same folks rigging everything else have taken over the polls to push candidates of their choice.

are you for banning science altogether?

to mislead the public. Unfortunately our police powers are focused on taggers, pot smokers, homeless people, and the occasional celebrity.

I don't think peer review would help with polls though.


Clinton campaign pollers - "That poll looks good to us."

Obama campaign pollers - "Yep, pretty much what we expected."

Edwards campaign pollers - "Our poll shows pretty much the same, but we have more than that."

Biden campaign pollers - "Wish we were higher but I think that's right."

Dodd campaign pollers - "Damn, we're that low on your poll too?"

Richardson campaign pollers - "Okey-dokey."

Kucinich campaign pollers - "Hey, wait a minute! How did you conduct that poll again?"

Gravel campaign pollers - "Why weren't we invited?"

Clinton, Obama, Edwards, Biden, Dodd and Richardson campaign pollers - "OMG... whining again!"

for instance, the kind of in-house evaluation research I've done is almost never peer reviewed. That doesn't mean I have to be sleazy or obfuscatory. In fact, I'm not. If anything, I try to bias my results against whatever would make my funders look good. If these politicians were serious about learning the electorate, rather than scoring points in a meaningless war, they would hire more rigorous pollsters.

The general public should also understand that all telephone surveys are biased against the poor and the young (people without land lines). If the poor and the young started voting in significant numbers, they would have to change the methodology to preserve their reputation!

in social science methodologies. Silly me. I could've just walked in off the street and made up whatever I wanted to.

Of course, there's so much unscientific crap in the peer-reviewed journals lately, what the hell does science mean anymore anyway?

Is excluding one inconvenient candidate a scientific poll? What scientific data is being sought by way of this poll? With your training in social science methadologies maybe you could explain what the purpose of excluding Kucinich might be. Help me, a simple unducated schlep understand what is going on here.




Particularly when that candidate has a history of polling better than Richardson, Biden, and Dodd. Actually Kucinich had been gaining in the polls a bit prior to what is obviously a poll designed to weed out his supporters. I wonder if this is the reasoning. Richradson, Biden, and Dodd all seemed to be running more for VP as they rarely seem to want to confront the front runners in a meaningful fashion.

Just wondering why the poster at the top of this subthread thinks all polls should be banned. Why does everything on DU break down into for/against?

Pre election polls are not considered terribly accurate and can be easily pushed and pulled about.


Exit polling is considered almost universally to be accurate and is an international measure of election fraud (except where math and scientific analysis were suspended temporarily in America in November of 2004).

I can see his point, I am not sure I agree with it completely but you have to admit polling this far out can suppress participation, especially if your candidate is far down in said polls. Polls that are taken well in advance of the primaries and based for the majority of Americans purely on Name recognition. If you are not politically active Clinton is going to be an easy name to remember.

I've worked on a few.
However, the REAL polls are about one thing: where to effectively spend money. And the results are NOT released to the public.
Most campaigns do serious polling to determine which demographics can be won, on what issues; when it comes to how to target money the polling (or market research) is dead serious: where is there a point in spending money and where is it either futile or unnecessary. Same methodology as market research- for example, if you have $250K to spend in part of a state where should you spend it? Working class hispanics? 'Soccer Moms'? Retirees? amongst some of those groups you might be running so far ahead there's little sense in spending money on advertising, amongst other groups you will never get more than fifteen percent, but in one of them your message would be effective if you got it out. This is where Dick Morris and Bill Clinton were highly effective professionals, world class experts on gathering, qualifying, quantifying and using polling data.
In other words, if it isn't about where to target the resources (and thus highly secret) then it's probably just hype or mind games.

That political and incomplete polling designed to generate a particular result is a means of gathering scientific data?

The post seemed to suggest that this method be banned.

'Cause that answers the entirety of my question. You just deleted from yoru vision everything except: "are you suggesting That ... polling ... is a means of gathering scientific data?"

Why bother answering the whole question, you can just pick and choose the convenient parts. Kind of like picking and choosing a list of candidates to provide you with a convenient set of data.

this is open sabotage

Great idea.

but for a different reason. exit polling is the best tool for detecting election fraud. if the votes don't show the same results as the exit poll then there should be suspicion of a rigged election.

I think polling could be allowed if all polls were regulated in a way so that their results and methodology had to be reviewed for accuracy and lack of rigging or other deceptions or dirty tricks.

Please tell me which of these candidates you will be voting for in the Democratic primary?
1) Dennis Kucinich
2) Other

...ban polling?

Yeah, right.

Did you know Survey Research folks are some of the most respected people in Political Science? The guy who was department head where I went to college worked on a lot of private projects and every cycle, the newspapers came groveling to his doorstep wanting to know what he thought about this-or-that.

This is the same guy who said Democrats only win when gays stay in the closet and shut their mouths. He said it in front of a 500-level seminar around 1992.

And he's a registered Democrat! I can provide his name if anyone here wants to know.

I saw it. I was there.

It should be unlawful to ask people questions?

okay.

... ABC literally took Kucinich out of the picture and disappeared him....
On the "Politics Page" of ABC's website, the photo of all the candidates was missing Dennis Kucinich. He had been deliberately cropped out of the picture.... The original, from an AP photographer, had all the candidates in it....

-- "When candidate Dennis Kucinich took the lead by a very large margin, ABC took down the poll, and then replaced it with another poll On Aug. 19, a debate for the Democratic contenders for 2008 was hosted in Iowa by ABC news. At the same time, ABC put up a prominent poll on their website, asking the question, "Who is winning the debate?" When candidate Dennis Kucinich took the lead by a very large margin, ABC took down the poll, and then replaced it with another poll:" --- After Dennis took the lead, again winning handily, ABC dropped the second survey from prominence on its website. Users posting comments in ABC's Politics page reported having their comments deleted, and demanded explanation of ABC's actions.... ABC news has still neither posted an explanation nor officially reported the results of its survey."
(more) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2DGfXA8DlE

I had heard that.
thanks for posting

He could simply buy air time in bulk like Perot did in 1992, build up massive name recognition rivaling Clinton or Obama.

Vote in your best interest. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Obama who receive the focus -- the three with the fattest war chests. I'm surprised that this poll even included Dodd, Biden and Richardson. Kucinich and Gravel don't have the money, ergo the exposure, to even be considered, apparently.

I'm with you about ending the buying of the presidency, but at this point, where we are now, if I had the funds I'd be stuffing my candidate's coffers to the gills.

If not now, WHEN? DK will get my vote, and all the bloviation by rigged polls, MSM and DLC won't change that.

I'm not at all the poll included Dodd, Biden and Richardson; they have close ties to DLC. Kucinich is the antithesis of everything DLC stands for.

Quite a difference between the two:


Let's just look at the cold, hard facts about the DLC and its record. The DLC has pushed, among other things, the war in Iraq and "free" trade policies, using bags of corporate money to buy enough Democratic votes to help Republicans make those policies a reality. They have chastised anyone who has opposed those policies as either unpatriotic or anti-business -- even as a majority of Americans now oppose the war in Iraq, oppose the DLC's business-written trade deals, and are sick of watching America's economy sold out to the highest corporate bidder. Additionally, in brazenly Orwellian fashion, the DLC has also called its extremist agenda "centrist," even though polls show the American public opposes most of their agenda, and supports much of the progressive agenda. http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0727-32.htm

The progressive movement has not just threatened this message monopoly -- it is undoing it. Through MoveOn, the rise of popular documentaries, blogs, think tanks, etc. It's not just that we talk about real values and innovative strategies. It's because we're talking, period, that the centrists feel threatened.

Hence the DLC's vicious attempts to discredit the movement. And that's what they want. They don't seek to win an argument over policy. They seek to destroy the credibility of their opponents and restore their message monopoly. http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=721

This is why the DLC is dangerous. For all their claims of supposedly wanting to help Democrats, they employ people like Marshall Wittman who specifically try to undermine the Democratic Party, even if it means he has to publicly defecate out the most rank and easily-debunkable lies. They reguarly give credence to the right wing's agenda and its worst, most unsupportable lies. They are the real force that tries to make sure this country is a one party state and that Democrats never really challenge the Republicans in a serious way. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/why-the-dlc-...

"The Democratic Leadership Council's agenda is indistinguishable from the Republican Neoconservative agenda," http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Kucinich_DLC_agenda_undis...

DLC Watch, the wicked shall not escape justice http://dlcwatch.blogspot.com

Without a doubt, the DLC is the most fundamentalist organization within the caucus, the most ideologically rigid, and the most destructive to the progressive cause.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/5/24/1712/23448

These DLC types are amazing, they really are. Their pathology is unique; they all secretly worship the guilt-by-association tactics of Lee Atwater and Karl Rove, but unlike those two, not one of them has enough balls to take being thought of as the bad guy by the general public.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11275627/the...

confusion. I'm in agreement with you on the DLC, but I'll follow your links because I like reading articles that support my beliefs. Thanks for doing that -- sincerely!

Any time a progressive gets too popular they take him out, I'd rather he live to fight the good fight.

and damn infuriating too.

It's what the DLC-ization of this Party has done to it. If you are anywhere to the left of Attila the Hun, you can forget about raising money and being "electable".

I wish you had gotten the name of the company that called you.

TC

It has the putrid stink of DLC all over it.

And I agree with you about the DLC. It has the distinct whiff of their tactics all over it.

TC

Calling C-SPAN two so-called political experts were talking about the 08' elections and I asked why about 80% of the callers to C-SPAN either mention Kucinich or Paul as their only choice yet neither of these two nor the national polls every have them any where in the top numbers or even mentioned for that matter. Their answer was that it seemed to be a mystery.

It may be a "mystery" to them but it's not to any savvy political junkies. The system is rigged. Our election process is a farce, a dog and pony show to give us the illusion we have a say in who runs our country. After the 2000 disaster you'd think a massive effort would have been done to give us fair, verifiable, uniform system. Not only has the process not been fixed they haven't even done the obvious like moving election day to Saturday, public funding and eliminating the antiquated Electoral College. E-voting is still in place and the prosecutors rove&co put in are still there to promote their election fraud tactics of caging and banning lists.

Folks, we the people don't have anything to do with the government process anymore. It's been bought and sold by mega-international corporations that are the polar opposite of democracy. We don't need another election in this country - we need another REVOLUTION!

F@#k!

Let me think, hmmmm, why didn't this happen then, what could be the difference...

It got to the point that I was just angry all the time, so I haven't been paying as much attention. It's not healthy to be angry all the time and not be able to do anything about it. But now this has really got my blood boiling again. Everybody...show them we can think for ourselves. We don't need their goddam polls. Vote for who is speaking out for the people. You see, they are worried. Their resorting to tactics...they know that Kucinich is standing a good chance. I also think they're trying to thwart efforts by having Edwards lean more to the left to steal votes from Kucinich...just a thought.

and alternative plans for the future, and the whole electoral process wasn't run by greedy, corrupt corporations, he'd be the frontrunner.

It's up to the grassroots to get his message out.

The 'Powers That Be' will never allow someone who wants to represent 'We The People' to ever be an option. Therefore, we are presented with options who do not threaten their power. Our government has been turned into a racket that has been bought and paid for.

and ignore attempts such as these to discourage people from voting for Kucinich.

See post #9.

but DK will still get my vote.

Kucinich deserves equal treatment. And besides that, it really bothers me that the pollsters are actually impacting their own results by choosing the candidates to poll on. Indirectly, but very certainly, they are influencing the election.

And I'm mad as hell.

themselves clearly. If I get a call like this, I will say, before they even read me the choices, "wait, what did you say is the name of the organization?" while scribbling it down on a notepad. Let's at least try to get a name for these fuckers.

Sometimes, I even ask for the name of their supervisor. THEN, if I decide to, I answer their questions.

Learn to be a hard-ass with these people. It's your right to know who you're talking to.

TC

They're bs. They're made up. They're fake. Just like the news.

that polling is a conventional weapon in the party political armoury; and any truth they convey would be entirely accidental.

the poll. It was Clinton, Obama, Edwards, etc. - not alphabetical order, but in order of somebody's preference.

is to ask them to repeat the name of the company until I understand who is calling.

If they give me really bad (push/pull) or incomplete questions (like the one you got), I tell them where to get off.

Years ago, I got a poll call asking a few questions, then asking if I would vote for the Democratic candidate for the State Legislature if I knew that he had raised my taxes.

Now, the Democratic candidate had at that time not served in any position where he could raise taxes and I knew that.

I not only told off the poll taker, the next morning I called into a local radio/phone show and started a fire storm by relaying the phone call.

It seemed that many, many people in the voting district had received the same phone call.

The Republican candidate disassociated himself from the poll swore he knew nothing about it, claiming to be the victim of the poll and tried to cast the blame on the Democratic candidate doing a reverse psychology dirty trick...

They wanted feedback after I took the poll. Boy, did I give them feedback.

My phone just rang again - an "unavailable" on the caller ID. Another pollster! (Welcome to New Hampshire primary season.) This one's name is Doris and I made a point of getting the company name: NTS Research. She wouldn't tell me anything about the company or who ordered the poll. The choices were (in the order she read them): Clinton, Obama, Edwards, Richardson, Dodd or Biden. Once again I asked about Kucinich and why he wasn't on the list and "Doris" didn't know. This is really outrageous. Does anyone have a direct line to the Kucinich campaign??

I wonder who is paying for this poll anyway - I'd be curious to know...

Simple.

...I think a little more research may be warranted

Because in some of the last polls that included Kucinich he was beating Dodd, Richardson, and Biden. Of course even then he didn't have more than 4% but if there was no hope then all four of them would already have dropped out.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2519/is_8_24/ai_...


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They're out early, trying to control the Dem primaries...

They are the ones that are afraid of Dennis Kucinich!!

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You see what's up? They are polling Democrats, finding out why people are supporting them, and then tailoring their message to appeal to Democrats. They left Kucinich and Gravel off because they figure they have so few supporters it doesn't matter. They include people like Dodd even though he has no supporters because his message is closer to the mainstream. What they are doing is finding Democrats, running their buzz words past them, finding out what words they respond to, then crafting the Republican message to use those words to appeal to Democratic supporters. They hope to swing a few percentage points, probably the independents mostly, that way--enough to win.

This has nothing to do with polling to see who's winning, and they won't release these numbers to the press. This is a research project to gain marketing advice to use against the Democrats.

This has nothing to do with polling to see who's winning, and they won't release these numbers to the press. This is a research project to gain marketing advice to use against the Democrats.

So let's do it back!

First rule of guerilla warfare: Capture your enemy's weapons and use them against him (her/them/it/whatever).

Let's have some fun!

Next time one of you's gets a call from these guys, record the phone call or, if you can't do that, take detailed notes as so you can precisely reconstruct the questions asked. Post 'em here on DU (or send them to me in a PM) and we can start raiding forums and message boards. How about it?

receiving these calls can know that they are being used as patsies!!!

I think the GOP has a lot to gain by knocking off the candidates who would drive them the farthest off message. They may be collecting data here as well, but excluding Kucinich and his message is the best thing they could do for their cause. The more moderate the Democrat they run against the easier it is to put said candidate on defence with regards to their voting record.

Moreover having a national symbolic candidate that is weak or wavering or even pro war will aid the republicans chances congressionally across the board as it will drive out those that fail to see a difference between the two parties and help maintain more seats rather than losing them.

The republicans (outside of Ron Paul) will never say the words needed to steal the election with language. (though they may supress and do evrything that has become business as usual to them) Most of them cannot say "We need to end the war now and get out while we still are able to."

By shifting the language to a timetable republicans will claim authority over who has the tougher stronger timetable and who will hold Iraq to the fire longer and make damn sure they don't follow us over here. The Script will change only subtly. The moderate Democrat choosen won't say "Lets get out starting tommorow" they will counter with: "Well my plan has us getting out in x time but only if we can be sure we are secure."

By poxing both political houses against the majority of the American people who are majorly anti-war, the antiwar vote stays home. If the Antiwar people stay home, the Republicans win. Period. End of sentence.

And it needs to be forwarded to to every single freaking progressive blog on the planet.

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Just a coincidence, it seems. I met a man in 1992 named Clinton Bush. Out of 300 million people, odd coincidences happen.

Will you start one?

will do!

progressive Democratic Congressman, John Hall (he's on Karl Rove's hit list). The questions asked were very pointedly saying that he was a Commie Pinko etc etc etc. I asked the young woman why was she was working for people who were making other people fearful of this fine man. I then told her that by making these calls, she was working against her own best interests, considering she was working for minimum wage or slightly above. She then whispered to me that she had just secured a new job that day and she couldn't wait to leave! I wished her the best of luck!

It seems to come in many different fashions.
this is outrageous.

Kucinich is like a "geeky-kid" in high school,
running for school president against all the popular kids, the football quaterbacks and the cheerleaders.
He stands no chance.

Unfortunately, the geeky-kid is the only one that wants to do good things.

they like, rather than someone they don't or are even neutral about. Connecting with someone we like makes us feel good.

In this case, I considered all the candidates on what their message was and who I felt would do the best job -- that's how I came to my decision.

I found something admiral in each of them, including Hillary whom I thought I wouldn't warm to at all. I looked past their presentation style, their nervousness, their stumbling, and focused on what they wanted to do for the country as President. Kucinich -- geeky as he may be, was a strong contender in my book, as was Gravel (and if people say Kucinich is unelectable!)...

We don't have the luxury of voting for the most popular (and according to the polls, Clinton, Obama and Edwards -- none of which is MY pick), so I have faith that people are choosing the person they feel best represents their values and issues, not the Prom king or queen.

a pushpoll or private party or candidate poll if you had gone further with it.

The legitimate polls actually have DK with numbers, which had to come from somewhere. Presumably, those polls include him.

'Tis worthy of a bit of investigation just to make sure, though, before spreading yet more rumors.

you're using this to explain DK's low poll numbers. Can't do that unless this is a legitimate poll, and we don't even know who they are. If ther major polls are doing this, it would mean something, but we don't know that they are.

See how many people immediately jumped on the bandwagon? Nobody is suspicious of a poll only listing some Democrats and trying to hide its name. Why not?

FWIW, when I lived in NJ, I got called for all sorts of bullshit push polls. I don't doubt the poll business is working overtime up there, and wouldn't even be a bit surprised if this wasn't some Republican paying for the poll who called you trying to size up the opposition.

The second poll (see post #38) the person gave the pollster's name and it appears to be legit.

except for a Canadian biotech comapany and a few small operations that seem to be defunct. That they called you twice is even more indicative of a basement operation.

Think what you must, but I still think it's a private candidate poll and has nothing to do with the major published polls.

http://www.ntsdc.com

this supports my idea that it's an internal poll not for "public" consumption. Whoever sponsored this specific poll, possibly NH Democrats since they are listed as clients, dropped Kucinich and Gravel from the list. Why clutter an internal poll with questions about non-threats?

So, back to my original point-- don't blame the pollsters for Dennis being so far down in the polls.

... even in the poll described in the OM, Kucinich will receive (and be credited with) some of the responses. It's 'normal' for pollsters to tally responses that are 'off-menu,' particularly when they account for over 1% of the responses. Nonetheless, the bias is clear.

It's very important that the polling questions be cited VERBATIM when assessing ANY poll ... and the sampling techniques and 'mormalization' process be described in detail. Without that information, anything can be corrupted.

this is just infuriating me! See what corporate cash buys!!!!

Sounds like a CONtrived effort to keep the real straight talking Dennis Kucinich outta the race and don't even think about Mike Gravel.

Hope they know.

for DK in the future, I don't know but I will definitely insist that DK be included in the poll. I love messing with their heads...lol. Thank for the heads up on this...

months ago, and I posted it and it sank like a rock

Fucking a-holes!

Well.....DK gets my vote in the Primary....thats for darn sure.

... but if he's not included in the poll, wouldn't you expect his results to be ZERO?

is to remind the public of his name.

Clinton, Obama & Edwards. The fix is in.

damn you're good.

Who's that? The new McDonald's character that gives kids their Ritalin McNuggets?

that's what they used to call Jerry Brown.

Our country's future may be decided by a bunch of sheeple that wont open their eyes to the truth. Good thing is they will be complaining about politics even after their candidate wins but they will blame it on someone else. No one wants to look at the facts.


Heres a good piece on the media and the polls winner. Tell me how that helps the people, looks like it helps the corporations to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YvsrT8tz6U

They actually include Biden/Dodd/Richardson in yours?

wasn't included. It's not like Bill Richardson is steamrolling over the other candidates in our state. I'd bet Dennis probably has more support.

and we're all lied to.

What about offering juice.

include Kucinich. He's grouped in other for their convenience as he's shown low support and has spent little in NH. That's what I'm guessing.

when I heard that I was pissed. I also was pissed to find out they are in with the health corporations. I haven't renewed our membership with them for years now. On my own I didn't think their stuff was worth it and now this, I won't have anything to do with them.

ANY survey for a presidential candidate should at least have a choice for "OTHER", even if Kucinich isn't on the list.

The same goes for any choice-based survey where the list of choices isn't absolutely limited in some way.

Whoever designed this survey is an idiot. And doubly so, because Kucinich is not exactly a complete unknown.

...it was intentional. Polling is a very rigged science.

"There are three kinds of lies: lies,damned lies and statistics."

I am surprised, but not too much now that I think about it...

Disgusted - very disgusted...

the people who make the calls are usually temporary workers with no benefits--they're just trying to make a paycheck. They usually don't understand the political issues, and in lots of cases can't even pronounce the candidates' names (or some of the words they're reading). I usually just politely tell them that I'm not interested in participating in their polls. If you shout at them or slam down the phone, it makes it harder for them to keep hanging on until payday.

That temp workers with no benefits are TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND politics? There are a whole LOT of Seniors who HAVE to work, because they are fudging the COL figures. COULD you live on $5.00 per hour?
I have observed in my neighborhood, the stupid ones, in their middle years , are doing fairly well financially!, in part because they are not held back by moral considerations. They're stupid because they have been jipped out of a good public school education! ( or are inbred) Yeh I live in Joe Bagantland North!

over the past 40 years, and, no, I couldn't live off of the $3.25 per hour I was making then, neither am I denigrating those who work temp jobs or ASSuming that those workers are too stupid to understand politics. I am simply basing my opinion on those people who have called my phone number and asked me to participate in their survey. On occasion, I have participated, especially if I recognized the name of the organization that was conducting the survey. After you participate in one of them, there are lots of other calls.

I don't appreciate your making negative ASSumptions about my actions or motivations. That sack of rocks you're carrying around must get pretty heavy.

course she was politically informed cause she reads du or asks me what`s happening. the political phone calling she did was for someone in kentucky and we live in northern illinois. they have to engage the party for a certain amount of time and if they do`t they are fired. my daughter worked all kinds of calls from political to trying to get people to buy products and services. there were women and men that made decent money because they were on commission,my daughter said they were really "hard core" and no one spoke to them while they were working..
it`s not a job for those who can`t take a huge amount of shit...my daughter lasted three months