They just said Madeleine's mother has been offered a plea deal??

[boston bean]

WTF.

I posted earlier that there was no way it could have been her blood in that rented car.

Holy shit!!!!!!

I guess I gotta wait for the facts.

[Annces]

1. Yikes

The story is moving fast. They must be grilling her.

[carly denise pt deux]

2. I only had one question since the girl was reported missing....

why would they leave a 3 year old and 2 babies alone in an apartment? They were asleep, but what if they woke up and their parents aren't there?

I realize they were just down the street, but there is still no way I would have ever done that.

I truly hope that they find this little girl alive, it's a terrible tragedy.
Carly

[woodsprite]

9. I can't understand it either. I drove my daughter to the bus stop

the first day of school so she wouldn't have to wait in the dark alone. A few minutes later, there comes hubby with the dog - 4 blocks from home. I asked him where our son was and did he wake him up and tell him where we were. He's 7yo. I had a fit with hubby doing that. I hurried back up the hill and he was still asleep, but it could have turned out different. I laid into hubby when he got back, reminding him what could have happened and that it's against the law to leave a child so young alone in the house.

[boston bean]

3. I guess she rejected it. That is what MSNBC is reporting. nt

[truebrit71]

5. The Portugese police are reaching...

....I hope.....

[budibudinski]

4. God Forbid !! I am hoping its not the mommy!

Tragic for such a tiny angel.

[Eurobabe]

6. Another Jon Benet here?

:wtf: this has been the weirdest case. Why would a mother take part in killing her own daughter? (Shakes head)

Granted all along, I thought these 2 were whacked for leaving two children unattended while they went out for dinner. That's asking for trouble.

[cali]

7. Parents kill their own children with distressing frequency n/t

[Eurobabe]

8. this case has recvd alot of airtime over here

across the pond. fake sightings in morocco, malta, etc. if it turns out that these parents had anything to do with this little girl's death, i will be pissed. totally disgusted. :mad: :mad:

[SoCalDem]

10. 3 children under 4?

stressed out parents often have "short fuses".. a 3 yr old has potty training accidents and tantrums. It's very possible that someone shook her or smacked her & she fell.. An abduction story may have seemed like the only option they had, if that happened. If the twins were asleep they probably saw nothing, and mey not have been verbal enough anyway , to tell what happened.

There was a guy out here who murdered his wife, and when the 3 yr old wandered in, he killed her too.. The older daughter (then 8) had left for school already, or she would have been killed too.. the bastard actually took the 3 yr old with him in the van and then finally decided he had to kill her so she would not talk.. He's now on death row..


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Killer(s) of Baby and Mother:
Search by Police and FBI Intensifies
Riverside, CA — April 28, 1999 — Riverside Police are continuing to investigate the double Homicide of a mother and her young daughter. Mary Kopatz 35, and her young 3-year-old daughter Carley were brutally murdered on April 22, 1999. The bodies of the mother and her young daughter were located inside the family van, a distinctive teal blue Dodge Caravan, with a bright yellow "KFROG 95.1" Radio Station Sticker on the back bumper, in the 9300 block of Duncan Avenue at approximately 4:47 p.m. the same day. The preliminary investigation revealed that Mary was a devoted mother, friend and co-worker. The 35-year-old working mother of two young daughters has been described by family members, friends and co-workers as a fun, outgoing, witty and dependable young woman with a bright future. Mary had recently been promoted to a supervisory position at her place of employment.

Carley has been described as a cute, loving, lively little girl who was adored by everyone that met her. Carley was very creative, loved to draw and enjoyed playing with her eight-year-old sister. Close family friends and grandparents have expressed disbelief that someone could have murdered this defenseless little girl.

Investigators are very optimistic about the extensive forensic examinations that have been conducted and are scheduled to occur within the next week. Due to the brutal nature of the killings mother and young child, numerous agencies are involved in the murder investigation. Agencies assisting in the murder investigation include the California Department of Justice and the FBI. The FBI's National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime (NCAVC) located at the FBI Academy in Quantico, Virginia, commonly known as the "Profiling Unit" is conducting a behavioral analysis of the details of the murders. The NCAVC has examined numerous crimes with circumstances similar to those seen in the Kopatz murders. FBI Supervisory Special Agent Mary Ellen O'Toole & Mark Safarik, of the NCAVC, stated that, "often these types of crimes involve multiple offenders, however not all the offenders are equally involved in the commission of the crime."

Based on the information obtained in this investigation, the offender or offenders responsible for the brutal murders will face charges of First Degree Murder. California state law states that persons found guilty of First Degree Murder and those who conspire with them will face penalties of death or confinement in the state prison for life without the possibility of parole.

The NCAVC and Riverside Police Department investigators have a high level of confidence that forensic evidence located in the area where the Kopatz van was discovered and at several additional locations will provide the necessary information which will lead to the arrest of the offender or offenders who brutally killed young Carley and her mother, Mary. The offender or offenders in this case took quite a risk leaving the distinctive looking van in that particular location, and they cannot be sure they were not observed by someone in the neighborhood. Additional information and evidence were also located by the use of a law enforcement trained blood hound.

Extensive interviews are being conducted near the Kopatz residence and at the location where the vehicle was located on Duncan Avenue. The Riverside Police Department and the FBI will be conducting a number of strategically planned canvassings to locate additional witnesses or persons with information regarding the murders. In addition, SSA's Safarik and O'Toole have advised that with this type of close-up interaction between the offender(s) and the victims, key physical evidence is almost always recovered.

Anyone with information regarding the Kopatz murders is asked to notify the Riverside Police Department, Detective DeVinna or Shumway. &url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cybersleuths.com%2Fnews%2F00__1999news%2F04251999.htm&ei=sbPhRqjcKIGcgQPk75DiDA&usg=AFQjCNGQdXRgwuYNw8f6966AR5qcZxn_Bw&sig2=Z26dggyiFzxcblKxWXpkFw

[Venus Dog]

12. That was my first thought as well - another Jon Benet

Abuse? Wouldn't leaving children that young alone for that long constitute abuse in and of itself. If they could do that.....I don't know???

[renate]

11. the weird thing is that the blood was found in a car rented 25 days later

Madeleine McCann's blood was found in a car her parents rented 25 days after they reported her disappearance (snip)

So the abduction story came first, then the continent-wide search, then the parents rent a car, then the blood shows up in it? How could they hide her (alive or dead) in the middle of all that?

Unless the sentence in the CNN article was just worded poorly, and the blood was found in the car, the same one they'd been renting all along, 25 days afterwards. "Twenty-five days after she disappeared, blood was found in the car" would have made more sense, if that were the case.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/09/07/madeleine.mccann/index.html

[DesertRat]

13. It seems very strange

that after 25 days Madeleine would have been spilling blood. :shrug:

[Mandate My Ass]

14. Agreed that is very confusing

Why would they call for a worldwide manhunt for this missing child while keeping her secretly alive somewhere only to murder her weeks later under the full media spotlight they had shone on themselves?

I hope this isn't another Lindy Chamberlain case in the making. The focus on the mother makes me uneasy that they want to pin this on someone and she looks like the easier target to bring down.

[KharmaTrain]

15. Thank Goodness...Another Distraction

Now the cable channels have a personal story to exploit. A place to send those reporters stuck covering hurricanes or a mine disaster...and sure to be the top story as every nuance of personal lives are turned into "news". Sure beats covering an illegal and immoral war or investigating the corruption of a regime hellbent on destroying the Constitution.