19% of Americans believe the world would be a better place if we ruled

[texastoast]

and were world boss.

World boss.

I just saw it on that show with Drew Carey, "Power of Ten." (Actually, I heard it because I was busy doing the wifey thing with colby jack cheese.)

NINETEEN EFFING PERCENT PEOPLE!!

Whaddaya think? DUers, can you imagine? The culture that promoted tolerance (freepers, see: the Constitution--it'll be "enlightening") and inclusion--

Wouldn't we be the EXAMPLE for the world to go by?

[Hydra]

1. And people laugh at me when I tell them this

*Shakes head*

We're back to the "Manifest Destiny" stage- "We're #1, so we should rule the world!! Rah Rah!!!"

[texastoast]

7. But we are not

Not even in our own minds, according to this poll. Put it forth!

[Hydra]

9. You're missing the point

If those 19% are loud enough, they're quite capable of making it happen.

19% is FAR TO HIGH a number. 6% would be about right.

All it's taking to destroy our country is 29%.

[texastoast]

10. Yes, the laydowns

All those Americans who don't care enough to get involved. That is our task.

And believe me, they tire me. I don't understand them.

And I will never give up. You?

[Hydra]

11. I gave up last week

If DU as a whole can't agree on a course of action, you can bet the rest of the nation can't.

If people like me are labeled "Doom and Gloomers" for trying to warn people, apparently they would rather not have the warning.

I think think more people than I would ever have suspected WANT fascism here in America.

If they want it, fine. I'm going to keep quiet until Bastille Day.

"Remember, remember, the 5th of November..."

[texastoast]

12. Must quote a conservative here

Never never never never give up.

People listen and pretend they ignore. They do not. They just get pissed because you know more than they do. You appear smarter than they are. You are not necessarily.

The people who appear to be okay with fascism are harder. You have to take it to the non-white level. What if whites (who are not monied) are treated as the Jews were in 1938? Or the peasants in pre-revolutionary France?

Dearest, you are right. There is more racism and fascism here in the U.S. now than you would have ever believed.

Never never never never give up.

AND (on edit): DU will neve reach a consensus. It's not what we do. Thank God we are not like the lockstepping wingers.

[Hydra]

24. I'm afraid you made my point

Consensus does not equal lockstep. It is the result of finding common ground and working toward a solution that all can agree upon.

That is the very foundation of democracy.

We here on DU can't even agree on the magnitude of the problem...let alone a solution.

That is the essence of the problem here in America. Some people don't even think there is a problem here.

Given that fact, my effort is being wasted. Apparently, we won't be reaching consensus until the world is burning around us. So be it.

[texastoast]

26. Then by all means give up

It's easier.

But what will you tell your children?

Or even scarier, what will I tell them about you?

Fuck DU if DU gives up.

Because I refuse to do so.

[Hydra]

27. Giving up on people will not destroy the cause

Because perhaps I will be alive on Bastille Day, and perhaps I will even have a scythe to wield.

We must all choose how best to use our efforts. I simply feel that most of that 81% secretly feel what the 19% believe...just not so bluntly. They don't object to us running the world through terror right now, do they? They prefer to think of it as "liberating" or "Bringing Democracy/Capitalism to the world."

Others, even here, are trying to preserve a system that in its current form is more deadly than any enemy we've ever faced.

Oh well...preaching to the choir, which is usually the only way to find an semi-open mind these days.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

2. 25 million native Americans believe the world would have been

a better place had we stayed where the f*ck we came from. We would possibly be one of the worst examples for the world to model itself after. Fascism, is a threat at home and abroad.

[texastoast]

8. Well, yeah!

We've got 81% to persuade who are unhappy!

On all our issues . . .

Murder by war
Corporatism
Greed over Jesus' teaching
Profit over clean air and water

We have a chance!

The message is yours to carry.

[aquart]

3. My sister thinks she should be God. So?

It's not my opinion. She says it frequently.

Control of one's fate is a basic fantasy.

[texastoast]

5. I'm happy

I have a bit of hope. In 2003, 67% would likely have been the number. We are down to 19% in this poll. Can I be hopeful? Can I believe I live in a nation of thinkers?

[whoneedstickets]

4. And the other 81% are a bunch of weak-kneed America Haters!

Or worse, UN types!

Mildred!!!! Get our &*$%@#%$ congressman on the phone.

[texastoast]

6. Can we hope?

Or shall we be the fearful, as Erica Jong so derides?

[L. Coyote]

13. It was on television? Well, it must be true then!

:rofl:

[texastoast]

14. Your point?

Do you have another percentage poll? I would love to see it because I wonder about this figure.

[rockymountaindem]

16. Regardless, this is like getting your political information from Family Feud

Survey says: World domination!!!

Or maybe not...

[texastoast]

17. Maybe you should check Drew's source before claiming that?

N'est-ce, pas?

[rockymountaindem]

21. As I understand, they get their info from unscientific surveys

The wikipedia article says as much, specifically comparing them to Family Feud. You didn't think they were getting information from Pew or anything, did you?

[mudesi]

22. I don't think they're unscientific

They do their own phone polls, apparently. Wouldn't it be illegal to use unscientific polls in a game show? That would be fraud, I think.

[texastoast]

23. You know, I'm not sure

but any mainstream media outlet who is professing in prime time only 19% of Americans surveyed think America (under current leadership, I'm assuming) should rule the world is a good thing to me.

Please give me and all of DU a rebuttal.

I want to hear it.

[rockymountaindem]

25. Okay, here it is

As the last few years have shown, not to mention all of history, it seems that you can get about 1/4th of people to agree on just about anything, politically speaking, whether for good or ill. I mean, how many people still "approve" of Cheney's job performance? That ought to give you an indication right there.

Besides, for an American, it would be good for us to rule the world. That's what foreign policy are international relations in the anarchic international arena is all about. States try to maximize their power in order to achieve their goals. So, for the citizens of any given state, it would conceivably be better for those citizens if their country achieved global domination. If the people answering in the affirmative to this poll question see the world in that framework, then they are giving an honest and theoretically correct answer. OTOH, they could just be extremely nationalistic, which brings us back to my assertion that you can get 1/4th of people to agree on just about anything.

[L. Coyote]

20. Just "Duh!"

[rurallib]

15. I think it was higher in Rome before Julius C. took over.

[texastoast]

18. Link? n/t

[roamer65]

19. Must be the same 19% that support Darth Cheney.

Pure backwash.