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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 10:56 AM
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Clement's appointment stinks...
Edited on Mon Aug-27-07 11:45 AM by spotbird
not that laws matter at this point, but if the AG can't serve the Deputy gets the appointment.

The Deputy Attorney General advises and assists the Attorney General in formulating and implementing Departmental policies and programs and in providing overall supervision and direction to all organizational units of the Department. The Deputy Attorney General is authorized to exercise all the power and authority of the Attorney General, except where such power or authority is prohibited by law from delegation or has been delegated to another official. In the absence of the Attorney General, the Deputy Attorney General acts as the Attorney General.

http://www.usdoj.gov/dag /

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Office of the Solicitor General

The original Statutory Authorization Act of June 22, 1870, states, "There shall be in the Department of Justice an officer learned in the law, to assist the Attorney General in the performance of his duties to be called the Solicitor General." The Office of the Solicitor General is tasked to conduct all litigation on behalf of the United States in the Supreme Court, and to supervise the handling of litigation in the federal appellate courts. The general functions of the Office can be found at 28 CFR 0.20.

http://www.usdoj.gov/osg /


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I changed the diary because apparently the President has the authority to appoint anyone as Acting AG if that person has ever been confirmed by the Senate. Clement got the nod because the President wanted him, not because he was next in line for the job.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 10:58 AM
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1. the deputy attorney general resigned, so clement is next in line
(according to a dude on cspan)
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eyeontheprize Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 10:59 AM
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3. It's been reported that the job
was filled a few weeks ago.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 10:58 AM
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2. No
I think you're misunderstanding that.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:00 AM
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7. please elaborate. nt
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:04 AM
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11. I don't think it means
that if there's a vacancy in the office, the Deputy AG MUST become acting AG.

You linked to a job description, not a law. "In the absence of the Attorney-General" doesn't necessarily mean when the office is vacant. It could mean when the A-G is unavailable.
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Timefortruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:06 AM
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13. It seems straightforward to
me. What authority does the President have to side-step established procedure?

Aren't there laws about this kind of thing. Or are the stakes so low, the laws don't matter?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:12 AM
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15. Nobody's
quoted any law or procedure. Only a job description.

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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:15 AM
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16. You suggest the description is incorrect,
I assume?

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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:20 AM
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18. I'm saying
a job description that says the deputy serves in the absence of the attorney-general doesn't mean the law requires that he be appointed acting attorney-general when the AG resigns.

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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:25 AM
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20. So the statement on the DOJ
web page simply describes their hope about how thing go, but not policy or law?

Who knows? Maybe that's it. But the MSM keeps reporting Clement got the job because the Deputy position is vacant. That's false, but if it can be anyone at all, why include that false tidbit?

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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:27 AM
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21. well
according to the website you link to, there IS no deputy attorney-general at the moment. Only an acting deputy attorney-general.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:29 AM
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23. That must be the answer
Edited on Mon Aug-27-07 11:31 AM by spotbird
or how they've avoided using him.

Acting officers have the same authority, Clement will learn that soon.
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 10:59 AM
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4. Do we have a Deputy AG?
I just heard Schumer say that the top 3 positions at Justice are now empty.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:00 AM
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8. According to the DOJ web page
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ROakes1019 Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 10:59 AM
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5. DAG
There is no deputy attorney general at present. Clement is the senior one serving.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:02 AM
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10. Not sure about that. nt
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 10:59 AM
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6. the Deputy Attorney General, Paul McNulty
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:01 AM
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9. He's been replaced.
If you believe the DOJ web site, but that might be a mistake.

http://www.usdoj.gov/dag/dag-bio.html
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:33 AM
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26. Moford is acting deputy attorney general
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:37 AM
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28. OK, and as such
he does not act as the Attorney General in the AG's absence?
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:42 AM
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32. yes, but the AG isn't "absent"
Gonzo is staying in office until sept 17. At that time, the vacancy created by his resignation becoming effective will be temporarily filled by the Solicitor General, whom chimpy has named to the position in accordance with the Federal Vacancies Reform Act.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:05 AM
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12. is this a "recess" appointment? n/t
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:08 AM
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14. It's very strange in many ways,
that the MSM claims there is no Deputy when there is. And that the Deputy is next in line for the job, but it's ignored.

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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:43 AM
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34. No. Its a temporary appontment to fill a vacancy per the Fed. Vacancies Reform Act
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:20 AM
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17. Acting as AG is not the same as being appointed. There has been no announcement of an appointment
of anyone.

All cabinet secretaries have a Deputy that acts in their place if they are unable to do so. If a secretory dies someone has to be in charge of the department. Acting as Secretary of State, Defense, Transportation and so on is not the same as being appointed.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:22 AM
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19. What did Bush just announce?
I must have misunderstood, I thought he said Clement would be Acting AG.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:29 AM
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22. I thought Bush said Clement would be Acting AG
Edited on Mon Aug-27-07 11:30 AM by DemReadingDU


edit to add link

White House sources confirm that U.S. Solicitor General Paul Clement will serve as acting Attorney General once Alberto Gonazles leaves the Justice Department in mid-September.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/20462117
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:34 AM
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27. It can be delegated to him. It still isn't an appointment.

The web page for Craig Morford says he is acting deputy, probably means there is a confirmation that hasn't happened and could perhaps bar him from acting in a constitutional position. Clement has been confirmed, which would make delegating it to him reasonable.


Are you suggesting there be no Attorny General?
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:39 AM
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30. Likely the acting has been confirmed
at some time, judging from his resume. Just not as Acting Deputy.

The point is, apparently, that an Acting Deputy does not serve as AG in the absence of the AG. It would be interesting to see the law on that, but I don't know how to research it.

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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:41 AM
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31. A previous confirmation is meaningless. Rumsfield had to be confirmed when he was appointed to be
Sec. of Defense the second time.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:49 AM
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36. If I under sand the issue,
Bush could have chosen Secretary of Robert Gates as Acting AG because he has been confirmed in another position. The normal lines of succession at DOJ are irrelevant.

Prior confirmation doesn't matter, in theory, when a nominee is confirmed for a new job, but that's a different question.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:30 AM
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24. As if "illegal" ever stopped them before
Thanks for the laugh!
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RedStateShame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:32 AM
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25. Thank you.
Really? Bush presidency doing something illegal? Then, we better do something about that, unless of course, there's an election on the way, because we wouldn't want people to sympathize with Bush, and it would take too long, and whatever excuses the impeachment-phobes have.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:37 AM
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29. No it is not. Its legal under the Federal Vacancies Reform Act
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode05/usc_sec_05_0...

Federal law provides that the "first assistant" to the office in which a vacancy has occurred is the default temporary replacement for the vacant spot. However, it goes on to confer on the president the authority to appoint someone else, provided that the person appointed is, for example, someone who has been nominated by the president and confirmed by the senate for another position -- and the SG qualifies under that standard.

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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:42 AM
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33. So the reason Clement is the new AG
is because the President has the authority to bypass the Acting Deputy, not because the position is vacant, or because the man currently serving in that job is "Acting". The guy who has the job now was certainly nominated by the president and confirmed as a USA, so he'd qualify, they just don't want him.

The MSM got it wrong, as usual.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:47 AM
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35. Actually, Morford probably doesn't qualify as the "first assistant"
Edited on Mon Aug-27-07 11:52 AM by onenote
To be honest, I haven't reviewed the statute that carefully, but it appears that in order to qualify as the "first assistant" you have to have been in that position for 90 days. Morford was just named Acting AG in mid-July. Interestingly, from what I understand, the term "first assistant" isn't defined in the law, so I can't say for sure how you would determine who is the "first assistant" when the normal position (Deputy) is for these purposes not the first assistant.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 12:01 PM
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37. It may be Gonzo
left when he did because BushCO didn't want Morford to become AG, I wonder why? It would have been more complicated to skip him if he'd already been confirmed.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 01:52 PM
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39. Nobody automatically becomes the Attorney-General
the President appoints a replacement and the Senate has to confirm it.

There's no "line of succession" to fill vacant cabinet offices.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 08:19 PM
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41. For acting positions there is. nt
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 12:21 PM
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38. Clement is NOT the new A-G...
he'll be the ACTING A-G.


Now, he may well be nominated to the job later.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 08:18 PM
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40. He is Acting for quite some time
I'm not clear on why Bush will bother with confirmation. They have a team player.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 08:22 PM
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42. "BREAKING: AGAG's interim replacement-Cedarburg's own Paul D. Clement"
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