Abramhoff Has Told Friends & Family-ROVE GOING DOWN-Because He's Implicated In Bribery Investigation

[kpete]

Jack Abramhoff has been telling friends and family in the last few months that Karl Rove was going down because he is implicated in the bribery investigations. This much I know–Abramhoff has been talking freely and fully to the FBI about Rove and what he knew and when he knew it. Whether that translates into an indictment remains to be seen.

Then there is the Rove role in outing Valerie Plame. He was not indicted but that was only because he finally found a way to tell something approximating the truth after several appearances before the grand jury. Joe and Val released this statement today:

Karl Rove’s resignation signals the final chapter in the Bush administration’s betrayal of the identity of a covert CIA officer. When this breach of national security occurred, the President promised the American people that anybody in his administration responsible for the leak would be removed. Rove, identified by the prosecutors as one of the leakers, not only was not summarily dismissed, but has been allowed to leave on his own terms, to praise from the President. This sordid tale of compromising national security to cover-up and distract from the false rationale for the invasion of Iraq will forever remain in history a black mark on the Bush presidency.

more at:
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/08/13/ro-ro-rove/

[NJCher]

1. I had a feeling...

Heh.

We have a thread full of predictions that Rove is resigning so he can move on to other candidacies. I do not understand why people attribute super-human traits to this person. Despite the fact that the WSJ article describes him as "rambunctious" and that he has predictions at hand for the coming year, the fact of the matter is the man barely escaped indictment and if what Abramoff is saying is true, there could be another round.

Battle fatigue.

The bush WH is imploding from the inside. Why not Karl Rove, too?



Cher

[acmavm]

2. Don't start your celebration yet. There no PROOF that this is

happening. And there's no PROOF that KKKarl is a target. I'd wait until I saw some rock hard evidence that Jack is spilling his guts and that KKKarl is implicated. And more than that, I want evidence that can be taken into a court of law. Because if you can get KKKarl, you can get 'em all.

[tblue37]

25. They need to impeach Bush and Cheney soon enough to prevent Rove from

getting pardoned. That way he would undoubtedly sing, sing, sing, sing. But if he knows he will be aprdoned, he will just ahng tough.

Even Libby, who might be pardoned yet, didn't flip, because he knew he wouldn't serve a day in prison.

BushDaddy pardoned Iran-Contra criminals before they could even be tried, to cover up his own illegal acts. I am sure BushBaby will, too, if he isn't impeached before he has a chance to do so.

[The Wizard]

75. BushDaddy and BushBaby

Is that anything like Poppa Doc And Baby doc Duvalliere?
Voodoo economics comes to mind.

[MonkeyFunk]

76. impeachment won't prevent any pardons

Bush would have plenty of time before any Senate vote to issue all the pardons he wants.

[MissWaverly]

42. yeah, what did happen to the Abramoff investigation

60 some congressmen were implicated, there has only been a handful indicted, what is going on with that?

[KansDem]

12. "I do not understand why people attribute super-human traits to this person."

I agree...if it weren't for the five Bush toadies on the Supreme Court or the secret Republican code of the secret Republican voting machines owned by Republican companies whose Republican CEOs have promised to deliver votes to Republican candidates, then Rove would have been just another "comma."

[Myrina]

68. I tend to think Karl was a lynchpin in alot of this, though ...

... these sorts of 'perfect circumstances' don't arrange themselves.

Someone has a plan and some spare cash and connections beforehand in order to set the dominoes in a row.

I'm not saying he's Zeus Almighty, but ... :shrug:

[Jackpine Radical]

73. Shit, I don't even understand why people attribute HUMAN traits to him.

He's a flat-out psychopath and totally lacking in conscience or any capacity for empathy with others.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

80. What makes Rove dangerous is that he is willing to do ANYTHING to win.

Most people will stop at some level along the way. In my opinion he is a sociopath and has no remorse over anything he's ever done. When you hear about the many dirty tricks he's done thorughout his life - it's downright frightening.

I have a neighbor who reminds me of Rove - she isn't a genius by any means but she is always pulling dirty tricks on people and it creates absolute havoc in all of our lives.

[Samantha]

36. And that is Karl Rove's 30-year history

He arrived where he is today tainted by a HISTORY of unethical, sometimes illegal political activity. Those who just became aware of the man might possibly think he simply "got caught up" in a series of Bush* scandals.

Looking back over the HISTORICAL relationship between Bush/Rove spanning A NUMBER OF YEARS, the words in your post, "the fact of the matter is the man barely escaped indictment" is just as true today as it has been over a number of years.

When he "arrived" on the National scene in 2000, I said to myself no one will vote for Bush/Rove, knowing the history of their conduct. Just goes to show you how wrong I can be. The truth of the matter was many of those voting in 2000 either had no idea of their historical unethical (sometimes illegal but often unproven) political acts OR they simply were aware but did not care.

I also thought in 2000 that if Bush/Rove did succeed, they would not be allowed to continue that same conduct in Washington they exhibited in Texas because the Intelligence Community (read that CIA, et al.) and Congress would not allow them to get away with it. Again, just goes to show you how wrong I can be (at least for seven out of eight years).

The Law should have caught up with Rove (and Bush) many, many years ago. He is simply a man often credited with being extremely smart, when the truth of the matter is, he is a man who sees "the line" but has no problem crossing it. And the irony of it is is that Rove did so under the auspices of promoting "a Christian conservative" into the seat of power. That middle initial "C" stands for "Christian" by the way, but there is little or no "Christian" conduct observable in the way he plays the game today or any day in the past. Unbelievable.

[Olney Blue]

44. Great post.

[Wapsie B]

53. I like your post.

I wonder if we'll ever see a deathbed confession ala Lee Atwater out of Rove?

[JPettus]

63. Doubtful

Rove is an agnostic who isn't likely to be worried about damnation and try to clear his conscience. Matter of fact, I don't think he *has* a conscience.

[Octafish]

54. Wait until the Cunningham-Foggo-Wilkes stuff hits the fan.

Rove tried to obstruct justice, ordering the firing of Carol Lam. She's the one that documented the hundreds of millions in contracts being steered to the companies connected to Rove et al. Smirk is praying that Rove doesn't squeal. He knows what happens to war profiteers and corrupt politicians in wartime.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

60. That whole thing stinks to high heaven. And WHY would they

be going through every hoop imaginable to keep congress away from the firings? Actions of guilty men - for sure. If, you honestly had a legit reason to get rid of her - why not admit it and move on. With these crooks - where there is smoke - there is definitely fire. But, he's destroyed all the evidence, right? the emails?

[Jackpine Radical]

74. Well, about those emails...Who knows what secrets lurk

in the bowels of the Internets.

[tofurkey]

56. He studied at the Lee Atwater school

of slime.

[Jawja]

64. Repub Voters didn't care in 2000

because of Clinton fatigue brought about by 8 years of non-stop investigations and a bogus impeachment.

Repug voters wanted "their guy" in so bad they didn't give a damn about his character or his history. It wouldn't have mattered if the media had actually been impartial and shed some light on these thugs: the Repug voters would have cried "liberal media" and voted for them anyway.

The country was very divided in 2000 and the close vote allowed the Bush Crime Family to steal it with the help of family in the right places and party members on the Supreme Court.

[Prophet 451]

37. "I do not understand why people attribute super-human traits to this person"

Because scum always floats to the top.

[JDPriestly]

45. My first reaction when I saw his resignation press conference

was that he was scared. My second was that he was probably joining the Fred Thompson campaign.

Here is a possible theory -- just a wild guess. It's the kind of thing you can put in your pipe and smoke. (Figure of speech. I do not smoke anything ever. Period.) Rove is implicated and with him Bush and Cheney. (Bush's remark about going down the same road). Gonzales went to Iraq to convey the confidential information to General Petraeus and other top American representatives there to be prepared. Nancy Pelosi is next in line for the presidency. That is why she went to dinner with Bush and Ms. Bush just before the Congress went on recess. That is why she has been very solemn ever since. Oh, well I can dream, can't I?

[candice]

46. Nope, Bu$h meant that he would be out of office when the next Repug...

orchestrated by Karl and his voting machines, took over.

Rove said that he would counts the votes wins.

[tridim]

58. That gave me goosebumps!

It certainly sounds plausible.

[meowomon]

71. That Is SO Beautiful

Thank you for that blissful scenario.

[kerstin]

81. I caught that as well,

Bush's remark about "going down the same road." It seemed to carry an import beyond the obvious. I found it hopeful and foreboding at the same time. The foreboding part concerns all of the power-grabbing measures that have been calculatedly put into place of late. Now Rove suddenly re-signs, and Bush is talking about following soon on his heels. Exactly what type of "road" are they preparing for the rest of us?

[merh]

47. maybe because we have heard it all before

we know they are dirty, we know they have committed crimes and thumbed their noses at the law, we know their guilt has not only harmed our nation, it has cost lives and meant death and maiming, hundreds of thousands of lives will never be the same.

But they continue to get away.

it's hard to keep the faith and to keep hoping that they will be brought to justice.

[durrrty libby]

3. At least this makes some sense.

All these other Karl Unleashed theories are disturbing in how

how high people elevate this jerk

[quiet.american]

4. Makes sense -- why else would Bush "accept" Rove's resignation for any other reason.

Fingers crossed that Rove will finally be held to some legal account for his many, many crimes.

[liberalmike27]

70. Why So Quiet?

You know, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

[quiet.american]

72. :) n/t

[PearliePoo2]

5. So, do you think

Abramhoff has been singing his guts out to the FBI?
And maybe it's coming down soon, so they whisk old Turd-Blossum away to an undisclosed location in Texas where he will be unavailable for comment or scrutiny.
He will likely carry his free pass of executive privilege in his wallet for the rest of his life.
Surely, if he still had his office in the White House he wouldn't be able to hide.
This coming on a Monday blows me away. They don't operate this way.
Something is definitely up.

[cui bono]

33. Executive privelege doesn't apply in a criminal case. eom

[mzmolly]

6. Woah.

:wow:

[jazzjunkysue]

7. What I wouldn't give to see this happen:

1. My daughter.
2. My house
3. my job/license
.................


4. Season 4 DVD of Pinky and the Brain, disk 1. You can have the rest.

............

Nope. I'd give up everything else if it would make this true......

[gademocrat7]

8. Thanks for the update, kpete.

[Gregorian]

9. I wonder if it's to distance him from the admin for pardon purposes.

Just a total stab in the dark thought.



PS- And yes, I second the "Thank you kpete". What a valuable contributor you are.

[4_TN_TITANS]

14. exactly what I was just thinking...

Of course the Chimp will pardon him for any and everything. Step down now and get the legal process going in time for a pardon before a new president.

[tritsofme]

10. Maybe I would give this person more credit

if he spelled Abramoff's name correctly...

[beberocks]

11. Please, please, please be true!

I felt so good after hearing that Rove is resigning that I went and bought a Lotto ticket. I know it is probably premature and I am due for a disappointment (re: Rove in prison), but it feels good now!

[sinkingfeeling]

13. If that's true, then Rove is leaving so as not the 'besmirch' Bush anymore than he already is.

[Bake]

15. Bush would not hesitate for one second to pardon Rove.

He'd pardon him immediately. He's shown his willingness to help out a crony in the Libby case. Rove is far more important to * than Libby was.

Bake

[Blue_In_AK]

16. Criminal charges should be brought

AFTER Bush is no longer in the White House. Then a pardon will be a moot point.

[Bake]

18. He'll pre-emptively pardon him if it looks like an indictment is looming.

He'll never let Rover do time. Just like Ford pardoned Nixon in advance of any charges.

Bake

[roamer65]

26. You're right, but I hope they force * to pardon him.

Then we'll at least have a conviction in the court of public opnion.

[sofa king]

38. There is a way to overturn the pardons....

I think it works like this: wait until early January, 2009, and then begin impeachment proceedings against the President, citing every last thing these gangsters ever did. The President cannot pardon anyone who is potentially involved in illegal actions for which he is being impeached, so I think that any pardons issued before the fact are effectively overturned.

He certainly cannot pardon anyone at "midnight," in the final days of his term, when he can be expected to do it.

Then everyone is wide open to prosecution, including the President himself.

It won't happen, but that's how you'd do it if you were going to do it.

[JDPriestly]

51. He will pardon him. He has already referred to the sacrifices that

Rove's family made. Remember, that's the excuse he gave for his commutation of Libby's sentence -- his children and wife would suffer if he had to go to prison.

[defendandprotect]

17. Abramhoff will have to stay alive in order to actually testify . . ..

[fooj]

19. Here's some food for thought...

http://www.texaskaos.com

Remember, the greatest conspiracy is that there is no conspiracy.

It is always about money. And a quick gestalt view of the scandal will make it easier to see.

So let's follow a couple money trails, and why Carole Lam would have been fired:

Trail 1
Defense Funds ->
Rep. Duke Cunningham ->
Brent Wilkes ->
Wilkes Corporation ->
Perfect Wave Technologies ->
Texans for a Republican Majority ->
Tom DeLay ->
Republican National Committee ->
Abramoff's 60
(including Texas candidates, this trail was exposed because they stupidly sent the check for the same exact amount back and forth. Nice.)

Trail 2 (loopy style!)

Defense Funds ->
Rep. Duke Cunningham ->
Brent Wilkes ->
Wilkes Corporation ->
Perfect Wave Technologies ->
Alexander Strategy Group ->
Christine DeLay ->
Rep. Duke Cunningham ->
Navy Contract (Defense Funds ->
Rep. Duke Cunningham ->
Brent Wilkes ->
Wilkes Corporation ->
Perfect Wave Technologies ->
Alexander Strategy Group ->
Christine DeLay ->
Rep. Duke Cunningham ->
Navy Contract (Defense Funds) ->
(repeat force feedback loop till exposed, side feed over flow to RNC)
(This trail was exposed because of antics in Trail 1)

A trail less traveled will also include MZM Inc.

At the end of the day, bad. But while we go after Fredo, the fact that defense funds in a time of war were cleverly laundered into the campaign coffers of Republican candidates is the true story.

So as long Alberto maintains himself as the center of the controversy, I am with President Bush, he is doing his job. Because can you imagine the wrath of the American people if they found out we are short on money for the war because the Republicans have been filtering said defense funds to get themselves re-elected to, well, filter yet more defense funds?

That is why Carol Lam was fired, with the others to add cover, because this is one the worst scandals in American political history, double whammyed by the fact it was done in the time of war.

Google the above for your references, it is all out there, plain as day, but we couldn't see the forest because of the trees.
<snip>

IN PLAIN SIGHT!

Edit to add: BTW- Cunningham was SUDDENLY transferred to another jail last week. Let's not forget that creepy, wierd court situation in California a few days ago re: Wilkes, Foggo...

Here's another great link for reference:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1529067#1529100

[loudsue]

21. Thanks for the summary, fooj !! This is SWEET!!!

:happydancesmilie: Ding dong the witch is dead!!!

O8) Let us pray!!

:kick:

[JudyM]

20. So he said: he's leaving for his family; he meant: he's devoting time to them before he goes to jail

we can only hope.

[usregimechange]

22. k and r

[usregimechange]

23. k n r

[gordianot]

24. Listening to Rove on the radio there was certain tremor in his voice.

Not having heard him very much he did not strike me as someone who wants to leave. Time will tell. My greatest fantasy is that he was thrown under the bus to save Gonzo's reputation (which is beyond repair).

[cui bono]

34. I noticed that in the clip I saw. I thought he was crying. eom

[Just-plain-Kathy]

43. Rove and Bush both looked as if they were about to start blubbering like babies.

[bobbolink]

27. So, the RW will get the credit for "cleaning house", and the DEMS

will be seen as twiddling their thumbs and allowing it all to continue unabated.

Just great.

:(

[Joe Chi Minh]

28. K&R

[spindoctor]

29. Pardon me...

...but there's always the Libby way out.

[BlueIris]

30. How anyone can post about Rove and "going down" in the same subject line

without barfing is beyond me.

That being said, I'm hoping there's a grain of truth to this rumor.

[sofa king]

40. Well, someone went down on Jeff Gannon.

There's your grain of truth.

[BlueIris]

41. Okay, that's also not a good subject line.

Dude, I just had dinner.

[PatSeg]

31. Okay, this is the sort thing I thought when I first heard the news.

My first thought was some sort of a scandal that was about to emerge any day now. The next year will see many fall, a virtual avalanche of the corrupt and devious.

[AnotherGreenWorld]

32. What's the source for...

"Jack Abramhoff has been telling friends and family in the last few months that Karl Rove was going down because he is implicated in the bribery investigations. This much I know–Abramhoff has been talking freely and fully to the FBI about Rove and what he knew and when he knew it. Whether that translates into an indictment remains to be seen. "

[FogerRox]

35. I googled "Abramoff singing"... Knr

[polmaven]

39. Isn't his mame Abramoff?

I don't believe there is an "h" in the name. When I saw that is how its spelled in the article. I googled it. ...no "h". (Sorry....It's just that it drove me NUTS when "Big Eddie" Schultz used to call him Abramhoff, so it's kind of ingrained) :silly:

OK...spelling cop going to bed now.

[sofa king]

49. For some reason, that's how he advertised himself to his Indian clients.

They've been calling him that (actually pronouncing that nonexistent "h") since before he was known to anyone in DC but Indians.

In 2001 I was put on his trail by some tribal clients and couldn't get a good hold on him because my clients insisted there was an "h" in his name. The best I could do was say that this "Abramhoff" guy is probably the "Jack Abramoff" who was known to be palling around with Tom DeLay's staffer, Mike Scanlon.

Jesus Christ, I wish I could have convinced them to let me keep running down that line of research. But here we are today and that's that.

[Autumn Colors]

48. Link doesn't work (n/t)

[Senator]

61. New Link Here

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/08/14/ro-ro-rove-posted-81307/

They had a tech problem.

--

[Hekate]

50. Goddess of Liberty, please make this so...Ghost of Tom Jefferson, walk among us...

And right-wingers think we don't believe in prayer!

Hekate

[ruggerson]

52. How many "business days" until he's indicted?

n/t

[Phrogman]

55. Roves secret? He's got a criminal mind and good connections...

A lot of people have criminal minds, but we don't act on our ideas. But Rove, he's blessed with people that pay him well to do so, and promise he won't get busted.

[DeSwiss]

57. This is the reason I thought....

...Congress should have had Harriet Miers arrested by the Sargeant-at-Arms. Once they get behind bars they start talking and then we'd know which "specific rocks" to turn over...

- K&R!!!

[krj44]

59. anyone who betrays an agent of

the usa is a traitor to our country and should be shot.

[ArkySue]

62. They need to wait to file charges...

until W is out of office. Otherwise, Rove will get a pardon.

[Vinca]

65. I hope this is a reliable report.

It's too bad we didn't see the frog march out of the White House, but I'll settle for any frog march at this point.

[0007]

69. Me too! But then again ya gotta watch out for "Cable News Confidential"

[Mad_Dem_X]

66. Bush's "presidency" is nothing BUT black marks

KKKarl is just one of many black marks against this corrupt administration. It boggles my mind how anyone can still support these criminal bastards.

[Gman]

67. Something is going down

if Rove is leaving right before September.

September will be an interesting month in interesting times.

[MalloyLiberal]

77. I don't believe it and Bush would pardon him anyway

[Crabby Appleton]

79. I agree on both points nt

[The Wizard]

78. He stepped down

to work in the shadows, on the dark side if you will. He said something in his resignation speech indicating his travels with Bush weren't over. Maybe he's planning the event that allows Der Feurher to cancel the 08 elections. This could be his "final solution" to impose the 100 year Republican reign.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

82. yes - or hoping they change the constitution to let Junior run again. nt