If O'liely knew Markos Moulitsas was X-CIA would he still trash him?

[seemslikeadream]

http://truth-about-kos.blogspot.com/2007/07/markos-moulitsas-family-and-pollution.html

Markos Moulitsas Admits Working for the CIA

.......

After high school, Moulitsas, then a Reagan Republican thanks largely to the White House's support of the Salvadoran government, spent four years as an army artillery scout, mainly in Germany. He had begun to gravitate leftwards while in the military--its diversity had incubated in him a kind of nascent identity politics liberalism--and when he was discharged and enrolled at Northern Illinois University, he became active in campus politics, writing a column for the school paper and helping to lead the college's Hispanic student group. After he graduated, he took another degree, from Boston University's law school, and then, in 1998, moved out to San Francisco to try his luck in Silicon Valley. . Washington Monthly

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[rinsd]

2. What an absolute steaming pile that article is.

[seemslikeadream]

3. Could you please tell me what is wrong with it?

I would really like to know

[Howardx]

4. kos has a cult of personality

they are all over the web trying to quash this kind of talk.

[rinsd]

5. Most the links are busted and its by an obsessed Kos hater.

Its the same gatekeeper BS that the internet's mentally ill regularly invoke.

[Howardx]

8. kos admits the cia connection

in his own words, so "obsessed Kos hater" or not at least that part is true.

[seemslikeadream]

9. alright I'm listening to this interview with him talking about the CIA

starting at 13:00

http://www.commonwealthclub.org/archive/06/06-06zuniga-audio.html

Talks about applying at the CIA and talking with folks there for 6 months

one thing stands out so far he says he came here in 1980, but he was born in Chicago Sept 11, 1971.


I do appreciate your help I would just like to know the truth

[KaptBunnyPants]

42. He was born in Chicago, and his family moved back to El Salvador when he was 3.

nt

[seemslikeadream]

10. At this site all the links are working

http://francislholland.blogspot.com/2007/07/indictment-of-markos-alberto-moulitsas.html

[autorank]

20. I'm not one way or another on this but calling people "mentally ill" for

taking a position is not fair. That's a precise term and has very specific meaning to a lot of people. I'm not being politically correct here, just accurate. "Crazies" etc is fine but not that term. You'd find that people with mental illnesses are rarely as rude as the people on the internet that just let their hair down (on all sides, btw) and bash and libel other people. If this is wrong on KOS then let the bolgger bear the brunt but it's not mental illness that motivates the error and motives that you assume.

On the topic here: There's a specific claim in the blog, that KOS is not an immigrant. If that's true, holy cow! If it's not, we can assume that it is not a casual error, one inaccuracy among many factual statements but, rather, a central error that casts doubt on all the other assertions. It's really binary. Should be easy to settle that fact one way or the other quickly.

Whatever happens, KOS is separate from a good number of diarists over there who do a great job and make major contributions. OK, I'll stop now;)

[seemslikeadream]

22. He was born in Chicago Sept 11 1971

http://www.cato-unbound.org/contributors/markos-moulitsas/

Nacido en 1971 en Chicago

http://www.laprensagrafica.com/dpt15/noticias/09042007/752524.asp


Moulitsas was born in the United States to a Salvadoran immigrant mother and a Greek immigrant father.
After returning to Chicago in the early 1980s

Moulitsas said his mother, who returned to El Salvador several years ago to run a hotel
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/04/05/MNGHSI3N5S1.DTL

[BlooInBloo]

6. He trashed Valerie Wilson - why wouldn't he? Republicans hate America, Americans, and...

... American troops.

[Gold Metal Flake]

7. I noticed Kos' rabid support for the Bush family in his posts on DailyKos.

That place just drips rightwing propaganda. Uh huh.

[LittleClarkie]

12. You have to admit he at the very least sticks his foot in his mouth on occasion

Doesn't make him a Right Winger, mind you, just the occasional shmuck.

[Gold Metal Flake]

13. No less than me, I'll say that much, LOL!

But he has built a powerful assemblage for the left. With MANY liberal and progressive voices. DKos, TPM and DU are the three online sites I frequent many times a day.

[Junkdrawer]

11. Yes...That's Bill's job....

Helps Bill's cred with the Right...

Helps Kos's cred with the Left...

Win-Win

[MLFerrell]

14. "If O'liely knew Markos Moulitsas was X-CIA would he still trash him?"

In a word, yes.

Yes he would.

The poor bastard doesn't know anything else.

[UTUSN]

15. Wow, I'll kick this!!1 #2 n/t

[Generator]

16. Wow! A Reagan Republican

and in the CIA-that explains so much. Well, no wonder people like me are the enemy. Progressive my ass. The thing I'm STILL angry about is that litlle messing around in Central America thing of Reagan. I guess I'm a hater. And a far left loon. Better than a poseur gatekeeper like KOS. Ugh.

[Octafish]

17. Jes' anudder honee-put.

Attrackin' all de flies, seem like.

[Poll_Blind]

18. To the greatest with you! n/t

PB

[autorank]

19. K*R You're the berrys!!!

"He must have learned in law school that they best way to convince people of group of facts is to create a convincing narrative based on a well-loved theme, like the “rags to riches” story." Isn't that the universal truth. I'm 1/2 way through the blog article. If the research plays out, we're in for a rokken few weeks. Truly challenging... I'm looking at it.

Here's my problem with that site:
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No Conspiracies. No Fraudsters
by Armando
Tue Aug 02, 2005 at 09:36:19 PM PDT
Let me be the first asshole to tell you that bullshit fraud theories and bullshit conspiracy theories are not welcome.

Markos has said it. He means it.

I believe tonight was a great night and a sign that a Fighting Dem Party can and will take back the Congress in 2006.

I don't want to hear baseless theories on fraud and other nonsense. I think, no, I know markos feels the same way.

You want to waste your time, do it somewhere else.

My tip jar will be the fraudster's chance to troll rate me. Cuz once you start diarying your cock and bull fraud theories, markos will show you the door. With my applause in the background.

--------------------------------------------

What a silly comment and myopic position in light of all we knew and know. You'd have thought they'd read "What Went Wrong in Ohio" by Rep. Conyers.

[seemslikeadream]

21. Too bad you missed the deleted sub-thread

:hi:

[autorank]

30. Oh, I can only imagine.

I read the blog article. It's quite something. The immigrant piece is debatable since, according to the article, he was born here, left, and then returned. Immigrant (Websters): "a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence." He could always say, look that's being technical.

But the bigger issue the family ties to all that doe ray me, that's some serious money and if he's wired into that, I'd say, "Oops" - it's time to yank him. That would be a blatant lie.

Those are my two issues.

Holland needs to fix the links in the first 1/3rd of the article, which has juicy stuff. They're all 404's. I presume that they're fine.

We'll see how this pans out.

Thanks for the post.
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I did get a kick out out the KOS comment that he ran a precinct for Henry Hyde. That's not Chicago.
It's...DuPage County...not exactly the mean streets of Chicago. Although, working for Hyde doesn't mean that he lived in DuPage. He may have come out to DuPage County from a working class Chicago area, worked the precinct, and then returned home. If he did live in DuPage, it's pretty upscale (it's also a hot bed for election problems over the last years).

US Census: http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/17/17043.html
(DuPage Co. first & then Illinois state figures)

Population, 2006 estimate --932,670--12,831,970
White persons, percent, 2005 (a) --84.8%--79.4%
Black persons, percent, 2005 (a) --4.1%--15.1%
Persons of Hispanic or Latino origin, --11.3%--14.3%
White persons not Hispanic, 2005 --73.9%--65.8%
Bachelor's degree or higher --41.7%--26.1%
Media household income --$66,697--$47,711
Median value (homes) --$195k--$130k
Persons below poverty, percent, 2004 --6.0%--11.9%
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Maybe it was "West Chicago"
http://www.westchicago.org/about/about.php
About West Chicago

With a current population of 25,690, West Chicago is one of the fastest growing communities in DuPage County. (Median family income $63k)

West Chicago is a diverse community. The first residents came from many different countries including Germany, England, Mexico and Ireland. Today, we continue to attract people from different backgrounds, enriching our culture.

Conveniently located at the intersections of Illinois Routes 38, 59 and 64, West Chicago is experiencing impressive residential growth and is a location of choice for commercial and industrial development. Economic development growth continues to attract new business interests to the area.

West Chicago offers award winning schools, a growing industrial park, convenient access to transportation, shopping, and restaurants. Through a wide variety of civic groups and cultural organizations, newcomers are quickly made to feel a part of the community.

[autorank]

34. Note - It's Chicago - El Salvador - Du Page County IL (near Chicago)

http://tinyurl.com/ypdwal

"Born in Chicago in 1971, where his Greek father and El Salvadoran mother met while attending college, Moulitsas was 4 when his family moved to El Salvador. They returned five years later, during that country’s bloody civil war.

“I’ve seen first hand how politics really can be a matter of life and death,” he said.

When he came back “to lily-white suburban Chicago, I was skinny and short, and I’ve always looked young for my age. I was miserable,” he said.

[nashville_brook]

23. kos was known to ban posters discussing election fraud after the 2004 debacle

one of the reasons i never bothered much with that site. can't just ban thought from the git-go (dungeon notwithstanding).

[autorank]

31. I hear you.

I was there for a bit then I got the picture. It's to restrictive for posting and dialog. This place is much better as a dynamic system. Greater flexibility and images show up here all the time, I love that. We'll see how this plays out. Reading Holland's blog I thought, oh lord, this is a "detail" guy. We'll see won't we.

:popcorn:

[bleever]

24. Ah, yes. That post really takes me back

to what brought me here to DU in the first place, and when dKos later lost me for good.

Plus, not so much orange over here.

[autorank]

25. Well, their loss is our gain!!!

Orange, the graphics over there are a bit Stalinesque (aesthetic comment, not political)

Glad it worked out that way. Plus this place is much easier to read and navigate and the
people here are from all over the place. It's the berrys;)

[liberaltrucker]

26. Innocent till proven guilty

Most links are dead, but some aren't. Such as:

http://www.cato-unbound.org/2006/10/02/markos-moulitsas/the-case-for-the-libertarian-democrat/

If Kos is a fraud, may he be exposed. If not, I hope he understands the
liberal desire to do a bit of research.

[seemslikeadream]

28. At this site all the links are working

http://francislholland.blogspot.com/2007/07/indictment-of-markos-alberto-moulitsas.html

[seemslikeadream]

29. It is definitely proven he is not an immigrant

[autorank]

33. I agree with that.

It would be a huge stretch to argue that he was. The stepping over dead bodies is odd (not impossible) in that he was so young -5 to 8 I think.

The money trail is the real kicker isn't it. Damn! That would blow some minds. But what I want to now is, what would O'Reilly say;) If KOS is a right wing plant, would O'Reilly still call him those names. Inquiring minds want to know.

[autorank]

32. I agree.

If not true, this is one of those internet tear downs that are so awful. If true, the guy should get the Pulitzer for exposing a font of disinformation (meaning "management" there, not the diarists who work hard etc.).

I'm ill disposed to that site since they mock a topic very important to our party and one that I spend a fair amount of time on - election fraud.

btw, Did you find the CATO piece a little goofy? Seemed like a lot of bloviating about not much. What a story if true. What a shame if not.

[liberaltrucker]

47. Goofy sums it up quite nice

Maybe Kos was illustrating absurdity with absurdity. Who knows?
My gut says this is much ado about nothing, Kos is the real thing.
But still, my bullshitometer is at yellow alert.

[loudsue]

27. Stuff that makes you go "hmmmm".

Thanks for posting this, seemslikeadream, and for all your OUTSTANDING research.

I can't help but wonder, though, if the family member listed is necessarily feeding the "family" money back to Kos. His familial association with the Hotel & salt company doesn't necessarily mean he's benefitting from it. Lots of us have rich uncles/cousins that never send a penny our way, and who we only see every few years. So, based just on the research presented, the only real shocker for me was his association with republicans, the CATO institute, and the CIA.

This is a strange, strange world we live in.

:kick: & R

[autorank]

36. Pssst...

Bet you didn't know this...:evilgrin:

[LeftCoast]

35. In my opinion, this meme and the BO attack are simply two prongs of the same fork

BTW, you should know that the person writing the Kos + CIA stuff has a wee bit of an axe to grind having been banned from dKos for misbehavior.

[seemslikeadream]

37. Don't you think I read what I post?

I know that

[JuniperLea]

43. What was the misbehavior?

And from where did you get that information?

Just curious. I've seen people on dKos trying to dig at what they claim was truth, only to be banned due to what they term as censorship.

I used to have a lot of respect for that site... now... ??? Too much of what is construed as bannable behavior seems to be things that should be discussed.

[NNN0LHI]

38. Didn't everyone work for the CIA at one time?

:hi:

[Ganja Ninja]

39. O'Reilly does what ever Rupert Murdock/Roger Allies tell him to.

He's an owned man. His opinions are purchased.

[The Backlash Cometh]

40. Isn't Markos's last name, "Zuniga?"

Why doesn't he use it?

[bleever]

44. Si.

Not sure about your second question.

[autorank]

41. Kick

:kick:

[dailykoff]

45. As I suspected.

Thanks seemslikeadream!

K/R :thumbsup:

[seemslikeadream]

46. What other subjects are not allowed to be discussed at KOS

besides election fraud and 9/11?

[autorank]

48. Maybe this one...

http://tinyurl.com/2mkbd2

Has anyone seen any diaries on this subject?

[RestoreGore]

49. There are others...

Someone wrote she was banned for being sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinian people. I used to post there but was told I couldn't anymore after I discussed 9.11 in regards to what I thought this government knew beforehand. That was when I knew it was a bogus site. Progressive my eye.