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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:39 PM
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Ave Maria, Florida...10 story chapel, university, city.
From Naples, Florida...the city being built by Thomas S. Monaghan, founder of Domino's Pizza...is taking shape. A picture from January this year of the city.



Construction Photo, circa Jan. 2007

http://goodspeedupdate.com/?p=2081


Ave Maria, Florida is a lot of things. To its developer, it will be a “compact, walkable, self-sustaining” city of 30,000 people.

To Ave Maria University, it is home to their new campus, the first major Catholic university constructed in the U.S. in 40 years.

To its founder Tom Monaghan, it will be a conservative Catholic city on a hill, where there’ll be no porn on the cable system, no condoms in the stores, and no contraceptives in the pharmacy.

To bitter faculty of Ave Maria Law School, it is the “edge of Corkscrew swamp” where Monghan and his supporters will forcibly relocate them from Ann Arbor.


More about the city of Ave Maria.

Ave Maria, city, university and chapel

AVE MARIA - Rising 10 stories from former citrus and pasture land, the Oratory of Ave Maria University looks like a gigantic steel-and-stone artifact of the Industrial Age. But it's the vision of a former pizza magnate - his citadel of faith and learning in southwest Florida.

..."He decided to start a university in southwestern Florida, an area that lacked a major Catholic college, and Ave Maria University held its first classes at a temporary site in Naples in 2003.

Meanwhile, the Barron Collier Companies, a major developer in the region, saw the school as a focal point for its land in eastern Collier County - and offered Monaghan nearly 800 acres free. He bought another 100 acres, and the two formed a partnership


Well, actually it started out to be a city without the availibility of porn, birth control. I think the ACLU got involved and the mission is changing to be not so much a city. Just because it looks like one doesn't mean it is.



Visitors to Ave Maria University, brainchild of Domino's founder Tom Monaghan, take the walkway between the Canizaro Library, right, and the cathedral-size oratory.


Birth of clean town: Ave Maria

AVE MARIA, Fla. — Ten years ago, Domino's Pizza founder Tom Monaghan had a vision to create a "fresh, faithful voice" in Catholic higher education. Now he has both a university and a brand-new town to put it in.
On Saturday, the town will open its doors to the public. Next week, Ave Maria University will move from its cramped quarters in Naples to a permanent campus here, which sits on what used to be about 1,000 acres of tomato plants.

Ave Maria has not been without controversy. The Florida American Civil Liberties Union has threatened to sue if the town bans birth control, as Monaghan suggested in a speech. Catholic educators say he could have found better ways to reach out than to create a town where single-family home prices range from $256,900 to $481,900.

Monaghan, 70, remains steadfast. "Everything I do I think I do for the right purposes," he says. "I only have to answer to my God."


And a little of what is to be found there.

It will include 11,000 "dwelling units": condominiums and single-family and town homes. To date, 335 dwelling units are under contract.

The town center features 1.2 million square feet of mixed-use space, including commercial retail, office space and condominiums.

140 students are enrolled in a private K-12 school opening in a few weeks. Public schools also are planned.

The 104-foot-tall oratory is scheduled to be completed in time for Christmas Mass. It will seat 1,100. The master plan calls for the construction (not yet started) of a 55-foot crucifix, the largest in North America.



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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:41 PM
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1. It will be infested by those little sausage balls that fall off his Pizzas.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:41 PM
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2. Heaven help them.
Did they happen to mention how large the orphanage will be?
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peacebird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:41 PM
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3. dominoes pizza was nasty anyhow, so not buying it is not a problem
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:45 PM
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4. Too bad there aren't tall mountains nearby.
I'd like to see a Hail Mary Pass on the map!
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:47 PM
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5. I hope researchers will be studying it from the very beginning.
Psychologists, anthropologists, sociologists, etc. To the extent that they can get unfettered data, the findings should be interesting.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:52 PM
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8. What could go wrong?
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 11:47 PM
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20. Oh, I'd love to see the Declaration of Covenants, Conditions, and Restrictions...
Edited on Tue Aug-07-07 11:48 PM by Fridays Child
...for starters. :evilgrin:

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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 09:08 PM
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24. Last I saw, the "Get a Brain! Morans" guy remained unidentified...
but I wonder if he knows that he has become an iconic presence at DU? And I wonder if there's a mullet under that bandana....
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 06:45 AM
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38. Is that Jonestown in the background
of that pix?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 09:05 AM
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41. Yes, it is. n/t
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:49 PM
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6. Canizaro Library? Eurghh.
Edited on Tue Aug-07-07 09:50 PM by KamaAina
Not that common a surname, and sho' 'nuff, it's named for Joe Canizaro, Bush** Pioneer, rapacious New Orleans real estate developer (would you believe he wanted to build up City Park post-K?!) -- and behind-the-scenes big shot down there, for instance on Mayor Nagin's much-ballyhooed (at the time) Bring New Orleans Back commission. :puke: :puke: :puke:

Maybe the city will finally catch a break for once, and Canizaro will hightail it to this improbable development in the precise geographic center of nowhere, midway between posh Naples and the migrant worker town of Immokalee.

edit: spacing
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:55 PM
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9. Good catch...very interesting.
"it's named for Joe Canizaro, Bush** Pioneer, rapacious New Orleans real estate developer (would you believe he wanted to build up City Park post-K?!) -- and behind-the-scenes big shot down there, for instance on Mayor Nagin's much-ballyhooed (at the time) Bring New Orleans Back commission."

You just never know who getting into stuff here in Florida.

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 09:51 PM
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7. It's a good thing conservatives don't believe in Global Warming...
or else he wouldn't have built it where it will be under water in 20 years.
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zehnkatzen Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 10:22 PM
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10. Such hubris. You all know that Nemesis follows Hubris?
People like Monaghan are the reason I don't worship with my Mother church anymore, and why I can't call it home. The bullies and the thugs have taken over, and they are being smiled on by Benedict, who is just beginning to do the same kind of damage to the Catholic church that the current administration is doing to America.

Sad times, sad times indeed.
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:28 AM
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35. CHAOS IS NECESSARY FOR POWER
42
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 10:44 PM
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11. No condoms for priests either?
Like they ever used them anyhow.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 10:45 PM
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12. Holy pepperoni. nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 10:55 PM
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13. chuckle
:hi:
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zehnkatzen Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 10:56 PM
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14. Just for kicks and giggles, I had Google Maps take the there...
...AM's not on the satellite view or on the map just yet, of course, but I got a good look at the greater area, that area east of Naples Florida.

Going south and west of AM's apparent site there is a whole lot of rectilinear blocks, roads carved into the forest that have several, then few, then no houses along them. There must be lots upon lots upon lots that are begging for buyers out there, and think they they're going to fill Ave Maria with snotty, sanctimonious white people with more money than they deserve.

That place will be near-deserted in 5 years.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 11:03 PM
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15. The Pope even inquired about it.
"Lastly, it’s an enormous construction site in southwest Florida where thousands of homes, millions of square feet of office space, and a 100-foot tall Cathedral are all under construction under legal arrangements similar to those used to develop Walt Disney World. To top it all off, it’s even been on the Pope’s mind: Newsweek magazine reported it was the first thing Pope Benedict XVI asked the Provost of Ave Maria University when the two met."

http://goodspeedupdate.com/?p=2081
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 11:06 PM
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16. Reminds Me of Oral Roberts (Anal Rubbers) City of Faith University-Hospital Complex in Tulsa, OK
Completely overdone, gaudy self- edification of the overly religeous

basicly a stairway to heaven type project
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zehnkatzen Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 11:25 PM
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17. It's the same old story...Ave Maria...City of Faith...Tower of Babel...
...they all come down eventually, usually because they're top-heavy with arrogance.
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 09:10 PM
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25. That campus is supposed to be one of the ugliest collections of architecture
there is. That's not making fun because it's church-related. I've just read that the whole place is Buh-Tugley. I went in seach of pix once or twice and what I found was ghastly.
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 09:15 PM
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26. For creepy towns in Florida, how can anything beat "The Villages"?
Edited on Wed Aug-08-07 09:16 PM by PurpleChez
My ex and I stumbled across is some years ago driving to visit her family in Lake County. It was vast...like some Disney theme hotel had been expanded by like a factor of twenty...but there were almost no people around. Maybe it was new and folks were just moving in, but it seemed like a gigantic themed ghost town. You could tell that the entire place had been designed as a single project, and it felt like being in some life-size model train layout. Totally weird. I just can't imagine being any age and wanting to live there, no matter how much you might like golf.

http://www.thevillages.com/
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 09:33 PM
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29. Speaking of The Villages...
Someone was at my home for some financial business, and near the end of the conversation she made an odd comment. She was on her way to a couple of stops at The Villages...and she asked me to tell her more about it. She said her last visit there she was surprised at how political...she was hesitant to go into details. I said Bushworld...she laughed and said ok now she did not need to ask. That was her perception from her visit.

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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 11:30 PM
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18. What are the chances he'll hire Blackwater to police his city? n/t
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-07-07 11:46 PM
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19. Florida again. I'm keepin' track.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 10:03 AM
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21. You'll stay busy.
:hi:
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 10:34 AM
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22. it will flood
nt
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 10:37 AM
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23. Get the door -- it's Dominos delivering God! (NT)
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 09:24 PM
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27. Ok, now, after The Rapture, what do you all think we should do with all that??
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 09:27 PM
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28. I look forward to visiting this themepark
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 09:33 PM
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30. Banning Birth Control
The city wants to ban birth control and the ACLU will fight it. This should get very, very interesting. Especially if a Republican gets to appoint another justice to the Supreme Court.

I am no longer worried about Roe Vs. Wade, that will be a footnote soon enough. But, the way things are going, Griswold Vs. Connecticut could also be history.

I would put the popcorn icon here, but that seems too flip for such a grave issue.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 09:37 PM
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31. Actually, he has to answer to his investers first, then God
read my sig line.
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SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 11:10 PM
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32. Is the front of the church the Star Trek symbol?
Edited on Wed Aug-08-07 11:13 PM by SaveAmerica


ETA: Beam me up, Goddy
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:12 AM
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33. Ave Maria, Clearwater, etc. etc.
Florida has some really interesting religious conclaves, that's for sure.

Xenu and Nuns.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:23 AM
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34. What a nightmare
Sort of like an amalgam of a huge Waco Branch Dividian compound combined with the warmth of Brasilia.

I'll give it 10 years before the gangs move in.
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zehnkatzen Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 05:53 AM
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36. A gang's already running the place...
...well, depending on your point of view multiplied by your cynicism all taken to the power of your disillusionment.

And by "your", I mean "my", of course.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 06:40 AM
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37. Another Opus Dei Boondoggle.
I hope they enjoy the mosquitoes.

A marine archaeologist will say some day. "What were these idiots thinking?"
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 07:07 AM
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39. So, I guess this is a place where a person in need could go for help . . .
right? All those people of God in one place should make it easier to minister to the sick, feed the hungry, house the homeless and clothe the poor. Okay, so all of this will probably be done on a golf course. That's ok. Surely they wouldn't turn away the lesser among God's children because they can't afford a $256,900 to $481,900 home . . . would they?
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 08:00 AM
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40. Yea, but can they bea Notre Dame....
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 03:03 PM
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42. Kick+background on other Michigan connections from Grand Rapids Independent Media
mediamouse.org Just think, perhaps Blackwater will be "contracted" for "security" as well.

The Far Right in West Michigan
http://www.mediamouse.org/resources/right.php?

Fair use cited
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