Why do all the Hillary supporters hide around the debates?

[Dawgs]

Is it because they are waiting for the media to declare Hillary the winner so they can repeat the next day, or is it because they can't defend her not so great performances? Or is both?

[Colobo]

1. I haven't seen them tonight....

They are waiting for us to foget the boos...

[Windy]

2. How many died in the wool hillary supporters are here?

I can think of only a few... Rinsd, Telluride, SaveElmer and Wolfsomething (could it be Wolfson???)

[Colobo]

7. Tellurian resembles Wolfson the most

[msmcghee]

27. If you mean, here, at DU . .

. . you can consider my wool well-dyed.

[SoonerPride]

3. What, on points of substance, were her gaffes?

None.

I'm not entirely in her camp, but she is savvy and smart and her performances each time are strong.

[Colobo]

9. The crowd didn't agree when she got the loudest boo of the night.

[Windy]

13. her "gaffe" as you put it is that she's politics as usual

She has the corporatists in her back pocket and makes no bones about it. She doesn't want the issue of national security substantively addressed with the people that will ultimately elect her. She was booed by the crowd for that reason. She has her politcal hatchet men like Wolfson come out and sling arrows but then her spin doctors flip the tables and try to label the other candidates as attacking her when they want to simply state their policy decisions. She has fought the right wing, she has studied their methods and has learned to apply them ruthlessly to all of our detriment.

I think Ms. Clinton will have a surprise come the Iowa caucus.

[rucky]

4. Because they're all at campaign HQ...

watching it together.

[PeaceNikki]

5. How is it helpful to bash her or any of them?

They all did great.

[BeyondGeography]

6. You got it...expect a media-link laden offensive first thing in the morning

They'll come out swinging once the mediawhores give them their ammunition. Standing on their own two feet during a debate is so, um, unmajestic.

Sleep tight, see 'em in the morning.

[ElizabethDC]

8. Well, I was watching the debate and then discussing it with friends and family members

I find that if I try to be on DU and watch the debate at the same time, I end up missing a lot of the debate.

Personally, I thought she did great, regardless of what the media does or doesn't say (this is actually the first time I've watched post-debate coverage on TV, and I don't care for it. Much better to watch it and then discuss it with other friends who have watched it.)

[journalist3072]

10. The anti-Hillary rhetoric here on DU is getting rather boring

As a supporter of Hillary, I'm sorry she did so well tonight, if that will make you feel better. I'm sorry that she comes across as insightful, experienced, intelligent, etc.

[Windy]

16. she really didn't. Political saavy does not equate to the best

person to lead the nation... sorry. We've had enough political expertise thank you.

[Colobo]

21. Why the boos then?

[journalist3072]

23. Let's face it

There were a lot of partisans in that audience who were ready to boo her even before she opened her mouth.

Honestly, I think those who booed her answer where too intellectually lazy to even attempt to understand the substance of what she was saying.

She was making the same point that the State Department made to Tom Tancredo recently, after his comment that he would first bomb all the Muslim holy sites.

When you are President and trying to build alliances, you don't go shooting from the hip. You don't open mouth, insert foot.

[GOTV]

26. Because Bill Clinton signed Nafta

[journalist3072]

29. So they were penalizing her for the sins of the father, so to speak?

Did the juveniles in the audience somehow think SHE was responsible for her husband signing that Bill?

[durrrty libby]

24. I agree with you. She was great and frankly the haters are

beyond boring. I'm surprised that they don't put one another in a coma

:boring: :boring: :boring:

[journalist3072]

30. Exactly! I think it kills the anti-Hillary crowd on here that she does so well in these debates

And that she comes across as the person ready to be President on Day One.

I think it kills the anti-Hillary contingent on here, that you see a real leader when you watch her in these debates.

Oh well...

And you're right that their rhetoric is gettng a little boring. It's lik they engage in the kind of anti-Hillary group think that you see on Free Republic.

[Robbien]

11. This board has been toxic to corporatists

I know I am still plenty pissed about the FISA vote and most know in thier heart of hearts Clinton only voted no because she is running for president. DLCers/Blue Dogs are being low key the last few days.

[Fredda Weinberg]

12. Who's hiding? My candidate's doing all the talking

I campaigned for Hillary when she first ran for Senator, recognizing that it's an established path for progressive candidates to national office. I understand the choices she's made, even when I've disagreed.

Why can't you promote your own choice without dissing others?

[LostInAnomie]

14. Why would they need to be?

The media is feverishly fellating her as we speak. They can't spin her crap any better than the rest of the media.

[Madspirit]

15. We Can't Call People Out....but....

...but I've seen one tonight on a thread in GD on the first page of GD. They are basically attacking everyone who criticizes Hillary.

Lee

[AndreaCG]

18. I've got to say that goes at least fivefold

For Obama supporters against not only Hillary but Edwards and everyone else.

[durrrty libby]

25. Yep. They bite their nose to spite their face. Boring and sad

[Trajan]

17. Common fallacies

Strawman .... Begging the question .... Ad hominem .... Bifurcation ....

I'm a Hillary Supporter .... Not for any other reason than her being the likely nominee in the general election .... I don't prefer Hillary, but I will vote for her, if that is the case .... That makes me a Hillary supporter, eventually .....

I bet you are a Hillary supporter too ... huh ? ...

Aren't ya ? ....

Cmon ...... You can say it ...

So; all this ugly, demeaning talk against your fellow 'eventual Hillary Supporters' is nothing but a kind of public, political masturbation; offered in view of everyone, but enjoyed only by yourself ....

I wonder how the ugliness will resolve in the future ? ..... How will you be friends with fellow DUers whom you debased and insulted ?

Life is bigger than these petty party squabbles .... But by all means: keep whackin off in public .... It is, after all, for your own pleasure ...

[PeaceNikki]

20. Well said.

[alfredo]

19. I was up stairs watching the debate. I thought Kucinich was terrific.

Hillary won by not losing. Obama did himself good, same goes for Kucinich. Dodd was terrific. Richardson was too low key. Biden was very articulate.

I'd say that the losers, if you could name losers, was Richardson and Edwards. It should have been Edwards night, but Kucinich did a much better job, a much more forceful job of speaking to the concerns of the workers. Richardson just didn't connect tonight.

I like Edwards a lot and would like to see him in Washington. I think this forum was not suited to his style. He is terrific in smaller forums. I know this because I have been to several of his forums.

[hedgehog]

22. I'm trying to figure out how to put this.

How does attacking Hillary supporters or Obama supporters or Edwards supporters or Clark supporters etc move the discussion forward? It makes this place sound like a junior high lunch room. I guess this qualifies as an attack on the OP, but I don't know how else to express this reaction.

[Cameron27]

28. I agree with you.

Pointing fingers at candidates' supporters could be a full time job around here, and doesn't add anything to the discussion.

[durrrty libby]

31. It is sad that you never get anything right. I watched the debate

while the crybabies were in here bitching and moaning as usual

[SaveElmer]

32. I couldn't watch the debate cause I was at a Democratic Committee meeting...

So am not gonna comment about something I have yet to watch...I'll watch the midnight replay...