C-SPAN -WJ - Lieberman's terror tax segment

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

just starting 8:35am est

[rodeodance]

1. thanks for the heads up REC

[rodeodance]

2. people want to sacrafice said JOE.

[Felinity]

3. Joe should sacrifice his Senate seat

to someone with a clue.

[KharmaTrain]

4. Dare I Say I Like The Idea...

Could it be that Joe is throwing us a bone here?

First...it would force Repugnicans into one hell of a wedge. Do you vote to raise taxes or do you vote against funding the troops?

Then, boooshie would be loath to do the one thing he felt doomed his father...raise taxes. He'd rather give up his Gamestation for a week than to raise taxes. And then let's see him veto a bill that can be framed as supporting either the troops or the children or both.

Think about it...dare I say, we might be able to use this for something good.

[ProfessorGAC]

7. I Too Think This Is A Step In The Right Direction

It seems to me to be a "put your money where your mouth is" move. If we are really in the danger from terrorists that the radical right insists, then let's pay for it.

If we don't want to pay the tax for it, then let's rethink the risk involved. If the risk isn't worth paying to mitigate, then we need to shut up about it.
The Professor

[KharmaTrain]

9. It Also Opens The Door To Further Investigation

A side effect of this debate would be where the money is coming from to pay for these military misadventures. Then we're gonna hear about the trillions that have been borrowed from China and our other "friends" and how this debt will force a major tax increase at a future date. It's pay me now, pay me later.

The part I like...and for partisan reasons...is this legislation would force Repugnicans to choose sides on several key electoral issues at once that can easily be used to pummel them with. Moderates walk a tightrope here as if they vote to raise taxes, be assured the "Club for Growth" will have some challenger ready to go next spring and if they vote against the funding for education or health care, they give us a big club come November '08. Pick your poison.

Cheers...

:hi:

[ProfessorGAC]

11. Good Point (eom)

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[Cassandra]

10. I was thinking...

that the repukes put Joe up to it so that they could say that Democrats want to raise taxes. That was my first thought.

[KharmaTrain]

13. Where McConnell's Showing His Cards Could Make Him Pay

Supposedly the Repugnicans have the votes to shut down any Democratic move...or so it's currently being portrayed. What this bill does is throws a wedge in the Repugnicans. Lets assume a majority of Democrats would support this bill...they could justify this as restoring cuts to education and healthcare...issues that are really felt by a majority of our constituents. The real battle would be on the other side of the aisle as the moderates would be caught in a real squeeze.

Truth is taxes are gonna be raised one way or another...it's just a matter of how bad. In 2011 the tax rates return to where they were in 2001 which is sure to be viewed as a "tax hike". Also the growing debt will fuel inflation that will result in all sorts of bracket creep that means a more taxes on those who thought they previously had relief (unless you're in that upper 1%). Every war we've fought on credit has had to be repaid later in one form or another...usually by inflation that we saw in the wake of Vietnam...another war where our government felt they could fund guns and butter at the same time.

Here's a way to force Repgunicans to put their votes where their mouth is. A way to gauge their support for this invasion and the booosh regime. Is their zeal to "never raise taxes" worthy of either shortchanging the troops or cutting funding to the local school or hospital? Let's see how a Gordon Smith votes here...

And then if this passes...it forces little numbnutz is forced to either accept a tax increase to pay for his beloved invasion or veto funding to "support the troops".

The more I think about this methinks there's a Joe/Hillary connection involved here...

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

5. lots of angry people calling

the natives (us) are restless.

[cybildisobedience]

6. maybe it's me.....

But when the Republic party was in power, all we heard were Republics. Now, the Democrats are back in power, and all we hear are Republics, paid shills from "institutes" like AEI, or Democrats who are so "moderate" that they might as well be Republics.

And this, at a time when polls show disapproval ratings for Bush that are nearing 75 percent!!!!

[TZ]

8. yes and did you hear the rupukes whining..

the other day about how the minority party in Congress seems to have no rights. EXCUSE ME? What the hell have you #$#@ been doing to the Dems for the last 6 years? I think this guy McConnell from Texas (everything is bigger in Texas including assholes!!) is now the most loathsome person in the Senate:puke: :puke:

[Larkspur]

12. Didn't Lieberman blast Howard Dean back in 2003-04 primaries for

wanting to repleal Bush's tax cuts as a tax hike on the Middle Class? Lieberman opposed removing the tax cuts that helped the upper 1%, so will he entertain it now?