**************OFFICIAL THREAD 5 FOR SENATE JUDICIARY****

[bdamomma]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

thread 4 here

[L. Coyote]

1. Not an answer = Gonzo does it again evading the question with a non-answer

"Based on what I know" (and I know nothing)

Since no one in the Administration knows who does what why, I guess they cannot have done anything wrong. Logical, right?

[guitar man]

26. how about

waterboarding the SOB, maybe he'll talk then....

[L. Coyote]

53. "As to the initial decision, I don't have the answer." Here we go again.

I think I figured it out. Space aliens rule the world and make the decisions, and they can't tell us about the aliens.

Finally, a reason that makes sense. NO wonder we cannot be told who makes the decisions.

[AndyTiedye]

141. The Repiglickins do seem to act rather like "pod people" from "Invasion of the Body-Snatchers"

I think I figured it out. Space aliens rule the world and make the decisions, and they can't tell us about the aliens.

[helderheid]

2. 1st rec AGAIN! :) TUNE IN HERE:

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan3_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Cod...

[malaise]

6. Why doesn't someone ask one simple question

Did Karl Rove put those names on the list?

[EVDebs]

15. From your lips to God's and the D's ears on this cmte !

[WinkyDink]

16. THANK YOU. This must be the THIRD RAIL.

[WinkyDink]

17. (/Dupe.)

[Wednesdays]

70. He'll have just as simple an answer...

"I don't recall whether Karl Rove put those names on the list."

Didn't you see that coming?

[bdamomma]

3. KICK

[shadowknows69]

4. "I don't know anything but based on what I know...."

Wow. My head hurts. Just impeach him!!! Fire him. Run him out on a bloody rail please for the love of Liberty!

[MiniMe]

5. I think Cardin is going to start pounding his head on the desk soon too

So far thats Leahy, Specter, and Cardin. How many more Senators will be pounding their heads before this is over?

[blondeatlast]

12. Instead of roses, maybe this time DU can send cases of Head-On. nt

[Inuca]

40. LOL!!!

[comtec]

You mean Gonzo's head don't you?

GOD Will someone please grab that little fuck's head and start pounding it on the table like he's dribbling a basket ball. THERE"some NBA for you!

[pdxmom]

7. Go back to the questions about contempt. I want him to say over

and over that he won't answer.

[EVDebs]

25. "argumentative" and "non-responsive" in depositions, can Gonzo be labelled as such?

[onecent]

8. If they let Gonz get away with this shit, then I want to just give up.

Gonz is so nervous trying to answer these questions...fuck wad

[Eurobabe]

9. Is Gonzo just stupid like Bush or a tool or both?

[L. Coyote]

19. Unlike Bush, he got into law school, and he is acting like a lawyer.

Parsing his word with incredible acuity and finesse, carefully evading prosecution!

[WinkyDink]

20. He's a clever consigliere.

[Eurobabe]

27. I think he's just a greasy weasel, like the rest of this administration n/t

[WinkyDink]

59. He's surely a smarmy ba****d.

[bdamomma]

10. oh, they have to get the hook for this weasel

no offense to weasels, but if we can see this BS why can't those Senators. they all know he is protecting his king.

he is dismantling the whole DOJ department, now is anyone else from that agency going to be whistleblower.

[bobthedrummer]

11. Cardin concentrating on bringing up Executive Privilege witholding access

[WinkyDink]

13. "Frustration", my ARSE! Start talking "High Crimes and Misdemeanors"!!

[Blackhatjack]

14. A new concept appropriately named "Gonzo Logic" ....

It makes sense to me but may not make sense to anyone else and I have no duty to explain to others why it does not make sense. Facts are not impediments to any position I decide to assert.

[in_cog_ni_to]

18. Oh goodie..Gonzo understands the committee's frustration...created by HIM. and his LIES

[bdamomma]

23. hold him for contempt.

shit they have the tools challenge him on it, they need to challenge these SOB's.

[in_cog_ni_to]

38. It amazes me how much they have let these thugs get away with. This man should be IMPEACHED. He's

the top LAW OFFICER of this nation and has LIED, LIED, LIED UNDER OATH and covered up crimes for BFEE! How much more does he have to do before he's Impeachable?

[in_cog_ni_to]

21. Oh G-d...Grassley's up now.

[L. Coyote]

29. Grassley does not tolerate fraud and abuse. One good R does not a party make!

[Blackhatjack]

22. They all have lists of outstanding questions the AG has never answered....

Questions without answers.... imagine that!

[MiniMe]

24. Which way will Grassley go today?

[KoKo]

28. Well....Gonzo snickered at one of his questions about releasing FBI info...

[Inuca]

30. I don't think Grasley is a tool

just mind-numbing boring. And of course conservative.

[bdamomma]

32. grassley another enabler.

ok guys, who should we call, Leahy's office and tell them that Leahy should hold him for contempt. I mean how many more chances are they going to give to this guy. When is Whitehouse up? This is way past frustrating this is obstructing justice.

[EVDebs]

33. Ongoing fraud must be allowed to continue, DOJ's complicity is assured

Grassley wants to know the status of the ongoing fraud(s)

[bobthedrummer]

31. Sara Taylor was bounced on his knee in her childhood-for real

[rodeodance]

34. seems like both Dems and Repugs get their information from the newspagers--interesting.

[comtec]

36. My thought was.. disturbing NT

[EVDebs]

39. Grassley's freudian slip, "how do you respond to the criticism outlawed..."

[hisownpetard]

66. Yeah - Hahaha. I wonder what he was thinking...! n/t

[bdamomma]

58. they don't get information anywhere else.

sickening....sigh...we need to get these bastards out.....they are totally draining on us and our way of life, they are the threat to the US.

[flyarm]

35. "we're trying to be smart" but can't remember a fucking thing!! what a joke

[flyarm]

37. "we want to expose fraud" in a pigs ass you do you little mtf'er!

[marmar]

41. "We want to expose fraud, mismanagement and waste."

His nose now extends from the Senate chambers down to the Washington monument.

[EVDebs]

44. False Claims Act whistleblowers being stonewalled. Enjoy.

[Eurobabe]

42. Who keeps coughing in the open mike, get a frickin' RICOLA!!

Jaybus!

[flyarm]

64. it is the signals again..happens every hearing with these criminals..they send signals with coughing

i guess one cough means stfu!!..don't answer..don't "recollect"..a frigging thing!!

[Blackhatjack]

43. Ask the Rove Question this way .....

"We understand that if a WHite House official has NOT engaged in the commission of a crime or other wrongdoing it would be entirely appropriate for you to inform the public that such an official has been cleared, to preserve their reputation before the public. Can you today tell us that Karl Rove did not have any role in the creation of the list of US Attorneys who were eventually fired? Of course if you refuse to answer, we might infer that your refusal to make this positive assertion will continue to subject Mr. Rove to having this cloud remain over his head."

[bobthedrummer]

45. Whenever the questioning comes around to issues of criminal prosecution

then Alice S. Fisher must be noted. Like Procurement Fraud...

"Alice S. Fisher is still hanging in the Gonzales DoJ Criminal Division"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[Eurobabe]

46. Brief recess

[helderheid]

47. heckler time!

[in_cog_ni_to]

48. recess briefly. Protesters getting yelled at by Leahy.

[Inuca]

49. I would not call that yelling

He was firm, that's all.

[rodeodance]

50. Leahy had to tell some people who were shouting to keep it down.

[Canuckistanian]

56. Did you hear what they were yelling?

[The Cleaner]

51. Hecklers!! "Resign!"

[marmar]

57. With Bush's executive order, how long before heckling is considered a terrorist act?

[bdamomma]

76. dissent is patriotic, they should be yelling that.

they should call Gonzo "Un American".

[L. Coyote]

The Judiciary webcast is not broadcasting the recess.

[L. Coyote]

93. We are back: Can this man answer even one question with a real answer.

"I'm not sure I want to give you complete comfort here..."

Leahy asking for the truth. WE WISH!!

[marmar]

52. Gonzo needs a break so he can go and bite the heads off a few bats and drink blood....

[helderheid]

55. Hey, we all gotta eat, right?

[Norquist Nemesis]

63. He needs to check in with the WH

"You've still got my back, right? Right?"

[rodeodance]

54. Senators have to go for a vote. But they WILL be BACK

[Norquist Nemesis]

60. Anyone catching that open mic convo?

Is that Leahy being overheard or someone else?

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

61. Leahys mike is on

edit. He is being interviewed by a group of reporters.

[bobthedrummer]

62. live mics

[shraby]

67. Can anyone hear what's being said on the open mics?

[helderheid]

65. "The AG does not have my trust" Lehey

[Blackhatjack]

68. "Greater morale prob at the DOJ than I have seen in 33 yrs" Leahy

[mod mom]

69. In 33 years Leahy has never said he had no confidence in a cabinet position before

Gonzales. He is teribbly torn by what is going on in the DoJ.

[Blackhatjack]

71. "Most of the key assistants(at the DOJ) have resigned" Leahy

[IChing]

78. Leahy, "I have never called for Gonzales' resignation"

"I wonder why the president wants to go down in History with this record?"

[vanlassie]

72. Leahy: Employees at DOJ are terribly frustrated

Morale problem....employees are hoping to get some relief via these hearings.

[vanlassie]

73. Leahy: There will be contempt citation if this cmte does not get

responses.

[bdamomma]

did I hear that right??? is there some hope???

oh please, they got to get this weasel out of there.

[The Cleaner]

75. Lehey: I think there will be contempt citations.

[Blackhatjack]

74. There will be action taken if there are no answers to our requests/questions Leahy

[eleny]

80. Also said he doesn't want a "show trial"

He wants answers from the AG.

[WinkyDink]

77. Leahy: "If they don't respond [to the subpoenas], we'll look into contempt citations."

UNFORTUNATELY, Leahy characterized any SERIOUS pursuance of this legally as "a show trial". THANKS, Pat, for using a RW TP.

[Blackhatjack]

79. Hearing resumes....

[Breeze54]

81. "Why does Pres. * want to go down in history for having the most contempt for law enforcement?"

- Senator Leahy

[Hepburn]

82. Hearing starting again....n/t

[malaise]

84. Sen. Whitehouse up now n/t

[Blackhatjack]

83. Sen Whitehouse up...

[Hepburn]

90. I LOVE that man!

And...IMO, he asked Gonzo a great question about how long Ashcroft had authorized certain activities.

[eleny]

85. Sen. Whitehouse now!

[Inuca]

86. Whitehouse

[Inuca]

Whitehouse is like a sharpnel dipped in poison

OMG, Sessions up now.

[IChing]

87. Whitehouse!!!!!!!

Talking about the hospital visit.

[in_cog_ni_to]

88. WOOHOO..Sheldon's up. I love this guy!

[Hepburn]

105. OMG.........

........Whitehouse is asking Gonzo questions to which there are NO good answers.

I have to say...Whitehouse must have been one hell of a brilliant trial atty!

This is GREAT!!!!!!!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

107. If I could still have babies, I'd want his!!!! lol!!!

Sheldon!

[in_cog_ni_to]

131. LOL..I hear ya! He's wonderful!

[mod mom]

89. Gonzo says Ashcroft authorized activities for 2 years.

[Blackhatjack]

91. Gonzo is hedging on what activities he was asking for reauthorization...

[marmar]

92. "I wanna be fair" "It's complicated" "Find a new way forward"

There must be a little pocket BushCo dictionary they carry around.

[IChing]

96. Why don't you just be fair to the truth ....Leahy chimed in.

[mod mom]

94. Now Gonzo backtracks on his statement.

[in_cog_ni_to]

95. LEAHY just broke in.."WHY NOT BE FAIR TO THE TRUTH!" Applause from audience in the room. :)

[flyarm]

97. he says ashcroft approved spying on americans from the very beginning of the program of spying

for a period of two years..they are throwing ashcroft under the bus!!!!!!!

[Blackhatjack]

98. How many different programs are we talking about?

[napi21]

99. So it's complicated AH! You aren't talking to a bungh of 1st graders here!

Explain it, and I'm sre they'll understand!

[vanlassie]

100. Was program run without the approval of the AG?

Gonzo We BELIEVED we had approval. Hmm

[in_cog_ni_to]

101. This committee needs to get ASHCROFT to testify!!!

[The Cleaner]

102. Gonzo: Ashcroft Approved wiretapping.

[mod mom]

103. Sen Whitehouse "What documnent did you have in your hand? To reauthorized

the program.

[MiniMe]

104. Gonzo now saying that we BELIEVED that we had AG Ashcroft's approval

for this program.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

118. "We Believed"

Whitehouse time has expired. Hope they get a second goround.

[debbierlus]

106. Oh boy, this is going to get wild

[malaise]

113. Gonzo is up S creek

Impeach this liar.

[bobthedrummer]

108. AGAG admits to taking the reauthorization doc into the room of medicated hospitalized AG

[Norquist Nemesis]

"We believe we had the approval of the AG..."

notice the specificity of him making a point to say "of these activities" versus "of this program"???

Hmmmmmmmm.....

[L. Coyote]

109. "When the FBI director considers you so nefarious..." Quote of the Day.

A real headliner!

[IChing]

125. yes it was...damn I wish they would give whitehouse more time.

[seemunkee]

110. Has anyone asked if they have checked DOJ and Whitehouse for lead in the water?

Might explain why everyone who works there suffers from memory problems

[in_cog_ni_to]

111. Whitehouse trying to get to the bottom of Comey's testimony about Ashcroft hospital visit.

[mod mom]

112. Is the FBI director felt he should not leave you alone with Ashcroft & acting director

that is very serious.

[flyarm]

124. did anyone else feel whitehouse was getting at ..that Ashcroft was in danger from these fuckers??

[Inuca]

132. Just in danger of forcing hand

to sign whatever they put in front of him.

[Blackhatjack]

114. Going to be interesting to see how the "Gang of Eight" like being used as Gonzo's backup...

[marmar]

115. Is Sheldon setting Ghoulzales up for something?

[WinkyDink]

116. Certainly sounds like it. (That's it? Seems like Grassley got lots more time.)

[sinkingfeeling]

117. Is anybody else getting CSPAN cutting out audio problems?

[IChing]

127. Not using a stand alone player.

[bdamomma]

119. hey everyone

thread 6 here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[Blackhatjack]

120. Last Whitehouse Question was an easy one, and Gonzo got it wrong...

[Norquist Nemesis]

121. CRAP! Is this what they hold over Pelosi's head against Impeaching?

She was part of the Gang of 8, right? Did they wrap her into an illegal scam and now they're threatening her that she was a part of it?

I need to go and find my tinfoil hat.

[debbierlus]

128. Hmmmm

They are tied together - just don't know how tight.

[in_cog_ni_to]

140. Yep...she was in the Gang of Eight.

The term "Gang of Eight" gained wide currency in the coverage of the Bush administration's warrantless domestic spying program, in the context that no members of Congress other than the Gang of Eight were informed of the program, and they were forbidden to disseminate knowledge of the program to other members of Congress. The Bush administration has asserted that the briefings delivered to the Gang of Eight sufficed to provide Congressional oversight of the program and preserve the checks and balances between the executive and legislative branches.

The non-partisan Congressional Research Service released a legal analysis on January 18, 2006, concluding that the Bush administration's refusal to brief any members of Congress on the warrantless domestic spying program other than the Gang of Eight is "inconsistent with the law." The New York Times The Washington Post

Current Members of the Gang of Eight

* Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the United States House of Representatives
* John Boehner, Republican House Leader
* Harry Reid, Democratic Senate Leader
* Mitch McConnell, Republican Senate Leader
* Silvestre Reyes, Chair of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
* Peter Hoekstra, Ranking Member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
* John D. Rockefeller, IV, Chair of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
* Kit Bond Ranking Member of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Eight

[Hepburn]

122. Sen. Sessions is up.....

....yawn.....taking a break while Jeff-Baby kissed Gonzo's butt.

Edit for typo

[in_cog_ni_to]

123. Ah shit....Sessions up now. I DETEST that little asshole.

[KoKo]

129. Sessions quoting Michele Malkin? Did I hear that correctly?

[Blackhatjack]

126. Here we go... new topic(safe topic)... any topic other than the one he is there to answer

[IChing]

133. He just quoted Michelle Malkin if that says anything.

damn need to get some coffee brewing.

[Inuca]

137. Great idea

I need some more coffee too

[L. Coyote]

130. Sessions: Bring up a topic that will make people change channels.

Especially the base.

[Blackhatjack]

134. Remember Ashcroft already testified in closed session to this Committee....

This Committee knows a heck of a lot more than Gonzo suspects.

Ashcroft in all likelihood told the Committee he was out of the loop about the 'program' they approached him to reauthorize in his hospital room.

Gonzo is no longer even making an attempt to be truthful. THey know he is lying , he knows he is lying, and nothing is going to change that.

[Inuca]

135. Sessions is even more pathetic

than Kyl. QUite an achievment. Not to mention that VOICE... shudder...

[L. Coyote]

136. OFFICIAL THREAD #6

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[flyarm]

138. i just called this jerk sessions office and i said i hope the little jerk loses his seat

i said the little weasle is nothing but a cya for this whitehouse and this filthy liar of a ag!

and i hung up!! i was furious with them!

[Blackhatjack]

139. Repubs like Hatch, Sessions and Kyl are just 'treading water' between real real questioning...

I doubt they are happy with these roles that have been assigned to them. But they certainly do it well...