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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:34 PM
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SHOWDOWN ON PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/20...

SHOWDOWN ON PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE....When Congress issues a contempt citation, it gets referred to the local U.S. Attorney for action. Today, though, in what the Washington Post called a "bold new assertion of executive authority," the Bush administration has announced a brand new exception to this rule: If the president has asserted executive privilege, then no U.S. Attorney will be allowed to pursue contempt citations against administration officials for refusing to testify before Congress.

So what happens now? Here are two possibilities. The first comes from Orin Kerr:

My amateurish guess is that this just adds another layer of litigation to the coming legal battles: it means that after the U.S. Attorney refuses to prosecute, Congress has to file a civil action seeking an order compelling the U.S. Attorney to refer the case to the grand jury. Courts then have to deal with that issue first, which could take a while as it works its way through the appellate process.

And the second from Karen Tumulty:

Where does that leave Congress? Barred from taking its case to court through the Justice Department, it may turn to its "inherent contempt" power to hold its own trials and even order officials to jail. The procedure was widely used in the 1800s, but hasn't been since 1934.

Marty Lederman, who predicted a couple of weeks ago that this would happen, has more details on pursuing these options here. Mark Kleiman, by contrast, thinks Congress should just start defunding the "non-essential" parts of the White House: the press office, the political office, and the White House Counsel's office. Says Mark: "Clinton won his {1995 budget showdown with Newt Gingrich} because Gingrich tried to shut down the government. Punishing and crippling Bush doesn't require shutting down any activity the public cares about."
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:38 PM
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1. So we could still prevail in this instance?
"Is it really over, mama?"
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:39 PM
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2. A hard rain's gonna fall.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:41 PM
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7. Wow-you got early photos of *'s colonoscopy.
We were right! He is a giant A-Hole!
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:43 PM
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8. Wow Swampy... your stuff is always good but that
is exceptional.... nice work! :toast:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:47 PM
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11. fuckin-A Swampy
Bosch woulda been proud. :toast:
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agent46 Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:56 PM
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12. Bosch on Bush!
~ very cool!

On the other hand, it could easily be...Bush on Bosch??? :smoke:

And I agree - we don't need a weather man
to know which way the wind blows.


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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 07:40 PM
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16. Wish I could rec a post!
You've done it again, Swampy! You've got a creepy cool mind, dude. Man!
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 07:41 PM
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17. Step away from the photoshop
You're getting too damn good and deep my friend. You have to be seeing pics of these lizards in your nightmares by now.
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Chico Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 06:34 AM
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25. I must say that is incredible
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:39 PM
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3. Defunding non-essential parts of WH is good start, so long as CONGRESS decides
what that actually involves.

Time to shut them down.

NOW
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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:40 PM
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5. They could start with KKKarl's office.
Why should we, as American taxpayers, fund that POS?
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 07:25 PM
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14. What if Bush claims EP on cutting executive funding?
You know he'll try.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 07:37 PM
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15. He'll try, thus the "CONGRESS DECIDES" stimulation
And it is CONGRESS who signs the checks! He can't sign the damn checks! Cut him off and his corporate cronies too.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 08:11 PM
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20. Who says he can't sign his own checks?
I'm awaiting executive Order #472631b, "The President can write and sign his own checks in a time of war."

This is where we're headed. Unless and until there are real consequences for his dictatorial delusions he's going to keep dictating. So far nobody is stopping him.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:40 PM
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4. This needs to come to a head.....
You can't teach old, foaming-at-the-mouth Neocon dogs new tricks. They need to be put down (figuratively, of course).
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:40 PM
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6. Let the long overdue smackdowns of BushCo begin.
They have asked for this fight from day one. They are not to be trusted or excused.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 09:19 PM
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22. Old Chinese proverb: Never Trust a Loon....Bush is from Looney Tunes...
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:45 PM
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9. Quit talking smack and do a smackdown.
Edited on Fri Jul-20-07 06:46 PM by IChing


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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:45 PM
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10. medialackeys like karen
tumulty had a hand in ensuring the bushit coup in 2000 that began the long arduous path to this door.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 07:01 PM
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13. Take away his plane
and his chopper
and his weekend getaway at Camp David.

That's a start.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 07:51 PM
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18. No Chit...take away that 747 of ours....and his friggen Chopper...and make him take a shower...his
diaps are leaking again....
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 07:59 PM
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19. And be sure that we hold a Democratic majority, btw . . ..
from what I hear the votes were for an even bigger Democratic majority in Senate and House . . .
stolen.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 09:22 PM
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23. Do we (well, I don't) know what part of the budget funds Air Force One?
I don't begrudge the president having a nice airplane but this prick seems to have an attachment to it that none of his predecessors did...
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 01:47 AM
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24. His EGO is LUNARESQUE.....we have a PRICK in the OVAL OFFICE
An InEpt one at that
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Glimmer of Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 08:13 PM
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21. I like the "inherent contempt" option for trials. I just wish something would go down for once.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 06:49 AM
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26. As our system of justice has been corrupted
Inherent Contempt and congressional trials or impeachment seem the only viable options in attempting to save our system of government. What we cannot risk is corrupted judges determining what happens.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 03:41 PM
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27. Why not defund - AND - file a civil action.
Although I'm not sure Congress can file a civil action.
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 05:21 PM
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28. kick for swamp rat.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-21-07 05:24 PM
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29. Update:
:hi:

This is a work still in progress:



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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-22-07 03:59 PM
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30. Very Dali-esque a kick for this one
You need to make posters of this and sell them..
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