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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:06 AM
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Made me CRY!!!! Michael Vick - Country Boy (oh come on....)
Edited on Fri Jul-20-07 01:30 AM by Gilligan
You Can Take the Boy Out of the Country .... or somthin' like that.
by Pamela Kraemer, July 18, 2007





It's part of our culture as country boys to throw dogs into a pit and watch them shred each other to pieces, fighting to the death, while wagering ginormous sums of money on the outcome ... This was Atlanta Falcon's quarterback, Michael Vick's explanation for having 66 dogs on his property along with a dogfighting pit and voluminous piles of equipment used in the blood-sport on his property in Virginia. Okay, I'm paraphrasing but that really was his explanation. In this case, the sums of money, wagered by Michael Vick on his dogs while fighting, is estimated to be $30,000 to $50,000 per fight. Okay, so if you believe that it's part of country culture, then you may also want to take the anti-abortion-evangelical-christian, Reverend, Neal Horsley's statements regarding having sex with farm animals as the gospel truth for growing up in the country, Horsley claimed that if you grew up on a farm in Georgia then your first girlfriend was a mule. Come on Country Folk, doesn't this just rankle you a bit? (Hey, I got to use the word "rankle") The subterfuge surrounding the weak explanation for pitting dogs against each other, so grown men can get some sadistic charge out of watching animals tear each other to pieces, is an obvious smoke screen for guys who have borderline personalities and lack a conscience. Why are the people involved in dogfights trying to explain their behavior as part of growing up in the country? If it's a culture-thing then where is the pride? I've never seen the dogfighting people marching in the St Patrick's Day Parade with a big float being represented by Princess-Pit-Bull and her court. Where I come from, we have chile cook-offs and invite friends over for a few adult libations and a steak, we don't breed animals so we can get our rocks off watching them rip each others appendages off. We reserve that for Mike Tyson pay-per-view fights.

Country people should be up in arms, grabbing their pitchforks and storming the court house to defend their wholesome country ways. After looking into the ugly story and the reality of dogfighting I found that this practice is widespread and worldwide, reaching all parts of the globe. It's a big deal in Asia and Eastern Europe. Banned in the UK, fighting rings still thrives there underground. Dogfights take place in Latin America and the Philippines. It happens in Australia and Spain. Here in America, I picture wide-eyed white guys standing next to wide eyed black guys, both with a trace of drool they keep wiping with their sleeve, holding a wad of cash in one hand and a bottle of Coors in the other while screaming and pounding their cash filled hand down on a blood stained table, cheering for their favorite dog to kill the other dog. I picture them dressed in bubba overalls and work boots. I imagine the dirt filled lot next door filled with Ford Super Duty F-350's punctuated by the occasional Hummer along with the scent of oil and gasoline. A dark, little, latino man gives a knowing wink to some of the regulars as they saunter and stumble into the pit area and place their bets and grab a brew. By the way, since when do country folk have thousands of dollars to throw around at any sporting event, much less a dog fight in some Virginia back yard? I think someone is trying to pull the proverbial wool over my grey-blue eyes. The country people I know work hard for a living and the most they spend going out, is an annual outing to the County Fair and maybe a family day at the ballpark to watch the home team maybe win. Okay, so I don't know "lots and lots" of country people but I have some Dolly Parton on my iPod, that counts doesn't it?

Not only did the feds find the 66 dogs and fighting paraphernalia at Vick's house they uncovered an extensive gambling operation and informants told tales of how Vick and others killed dogs who were not performing up to par. The methods of euthanasia varied from slamming the dog against the ground, hanging them and wetting down the dog and then electrocuting it. This was all done without benefit of a trial there was not a jury of 12 like-minded dogs- these dogs were just executed for not being mean enough to kill their own kind. If the cigar smoking dogs in those paintings had anything to say about it then the outcome would have been a lot different. Those damned woodsy folk sure know how to spend a day in the country. Out of the 66 dogs, 55 were pit bulls. They were starved prior to fights and chained to car axles in a yard unable to reach each other, a typical method insuring that the dogs would not become socialized and grew particularly aggressive. Sounds like a real love-fest.

Doesn't the NFL pay these guys enough to keep them from resorting to killing animals for the fun of killing? Michael Vick's multimillion dollar salary should have covered all kinds of outrageous activities so why the dogfighting? Couldn't Vick just buy a few hookers and an eight-ball like other sports figures, D.C. Mayors and a few congressmen? Did he have to go off the deep end and further embarrass the state of Georgia? Didn't Georgia have enough to cope with from it's past? The Reverend Neal Horsley and Wayne Williams of the Atlanta Child Murder fame should have been enough to keep Georgia busy for years to come in the scandal department.

Why, if I were a country girl I think I'd have to get spittin' mad. In fact, I think I'll cancel my subscription to Country Living Magazine. I'll never look at a country fried steak the same way again.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:22 AM
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1. It's barbaric and beyond cruel no matter what you call it
Patriotic, manly--doesn't matter. It's disgusting and barbaric.
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:26 AM
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2. yup
It's disgusting.

I cry during long distance commercials -- that's me, a bleeding heart LIBERAL.

When I wrote this piece for my blog I looked at lots of pictures of the animals and they are haunting and fucking scary. Dogs with their jaws chewed off and missing feet and legs.

And this numbNutz bets THIRTY THOUSAND DOLLARS!!!!! ON THE POOR DOG??????? WTF!!!

I am a die hard football fan and I will make damned sure that the Atlanta Falcons know how I feel -

(bfd... I know they only care about the bottom line....)
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:30 AM
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3. to me, what's even sadder is...
...that this cruel "sport" (though I cringe at calling it that) is horribly damaging the reputation of pit bulls, rotties, and other big dogs.

I've been raised with very big, very scary dogs, but they're the sweetest things with a good family.

But in the hands of a cruel owner...:cry:
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:36 AM
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5. I trained dogs for 15 years
Edited on Fri Jul-20-07 01:37 AM by Gilligan
Yep --

I got my degree in behavioral psychology back in the '70's - I did my research work with killer whales and dolphins (along with several other life forms including humans) But my special love was working with dogs. I know what you are saying -

I am (used to be when I trained dogs) cautious with the more aggressive breeds - it's common sense. I did learn that all dogs can be mean or gentle but they all need a firm, loving owner to sort it out.

This is the kind of thing that makes monsters out of a thing that is supposed to be a protector and a friend -

It breaks my heart.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:38 AM
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7. from one dog lover to the other:
you want to know the reason I love dogs?

they evolved, in a sense, to be our friends and companions--that is what created their species.

When I think how we abuse our friends that were literally shaped by evolution to be our friends...I cry.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:47 AM
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17. Very eloquently said WindRavenX
from another dog lover...and as someone who is involved in dog rescue I couldn't agree more..:hug:
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B3Nut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 08:08 AM
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19. Ditto
My wife does Pit Bull rescue (I'm basically the slave labor in that endeavor hehehehe) and we routinely see some of the most heartbreaking situations imaginable. How about a teddy bear of a male pittie chained in a basement and never let outside for 5 YEARS, whose chain was EMBEDDED in his neck. An elementary-school teacher (art or some such) in the Milwaukee area was the perp. Even with photographic evidence the "authorities" didn't do jack shit...they were completely useless. We kept poor Buford happy until his cancer got too bad to manage, then we let him go. After all that squalor, neglect, and abuse, he only wanted to snuggle. It still pisses me off.

Vick is a sorry, sorry excuse for a human being, as are all who would attempt to defend him.

Our uniquely-evolved companions, who really evolved alongside us, deserve a LOT better than this (and I've got quite the soft spot for a good Pit Bull, I've never had such wonderfully-loyal dogs. American Bulldogs too. And our pit-rottie mix who apparently thinks she created the universe, but she's a thread all to herself LOL)

Vick needs some prison time and a GOOD psychiatrist to sort out his addled head.

Todd in Cheesecurdistan
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 08:17 AM
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21. Throw a can of lima beans at the motherfucker and keep walking.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:32 AM
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4. It cannot be stressed enough
what sick depraved mofo's are the people engaged in this act of cruelty.
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rollin74 Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:36 AM
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6. I read today that...
Vick will probably also be facing state charges (Virginia) in addition to the federal charges.
I hope they throw the book at this clown. There is no excuse for that kind of brutality. The Falcons should do the right thing and DUMP HIM soon!
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:46 AM
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9. As a San Diego Charger Fan
I agree --

I was also horrified when LT (Tomlinson) said "I haven't been to a dogfight in years..."

Come on dude....

He also said he used to go to dogfights because it was a country thing...

ererr.

I am now more aware and also pissed off at someone other than every member of the GOP and most of the DEMs who will not go for the impeachment of the idiots.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:52 AM
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11. I agree. Dump this sorry excuse for a human being.
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:41 AM
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8. Thanks for making me laugh when I really wanted to cry. n/t
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:51 AM
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10. Laughing is good for the soul
Ya gotta laugh-

Even when you are behind the 8-Ball.

Thanks for the props.

Peace.

Impeach.

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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 02:37 AM
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12. Dogs deserve better than this...
"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.

Inside a dog, it's too dark to read."
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 03:42 AM
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13. Damn it!
You are correct...

Can't see a thing in here....

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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:14 AM
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14. I thought Vick was from Newport News, VA
The Norfolk-Virginia Beach-Newport News, VA-NC, metropolitan area is ranked 27th with a population of 1,542,143. Country boy? Which country would that be? That's larger than the metro areas of Columbus, OH, Las Vegas, New Orleans and Austin.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:45 AM
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16. He is, he needs to drop the country boy bullshit...
like it's an excuse anyway...:eyes:
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 09:13 AM
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28. Sort of like shrub being a "Texan." From CT.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:38 AM
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15. Can we get a graphic warning in the title?
for those of us who just rather not see.

Thanks
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 07:01 AM
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18. Several Thoughts...
First...no surprise that people want to look the other way when it's "their hero"...or ignore what's happened cause it's "one of their guys"...our "win at all costs" culture is on full display here. The desire not only of the Falcons, but of their fans, to look the other way at the heinous practice as "innocent til guilty" is shameful.

This isn't some foolish or incidental crime...or self-destructive, like a DWI...but one that he had been involved with for years, knowing it was illegal, and it was a passion of his. I guess some will dismiss this as being his "competitive spirit"...c'mon now Michael Jordan gambled...the "competitive fires" are always burning. Bullshit! Or, "look at all the great things he's done for the community". Double bullshit...as surely a lot of what he does is set up by an image conscious team, agent and corporate sponsors. Left to his own devices, we now know what Mr. Vick would enjoy doing with his "leisure time".

That leads to the problem many of these athletes have...they are put on a pedestal at a young age based on their ability to shoot a ball or knock down another kid...that the winning supercedes the character. In High School they become the "elite" and as long as they continue to win, they stay that way...getting near deity treatment at some colleges and then showered with millions of dollars if they make it to the pro ranks. While some are able to keep their wits about them, many of these athletes buy into their "superhuman" status...including feeling infalible and "special"...rules just don't apply to them. It doesn't help when these stars get in trouble along the way and those red flags are swept under the rug cause the "team needs him."

Lastly, I was thinking that 60 years ago, it would have been Vick who would have had the electrode connected, or shot or drowned in the river. But since he can run and throw and could bring the Falcons to the "promised land", the temptation is to look the other way.
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 08:11 AM
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20. Jesus fucking christ - how about a graphic warning?
I can't even listen to descriptions about this shit and really didn't need a god damn picture.

Sorry but this really got to me.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 08:30 AM
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24. Don't be sorry - we should have been warned
What a disgusting picture! :puke:
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 08:35 AM
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25. WTF?
All of you who are horrified by the picture...

Come on.

Try going to Google images and seeing dogfight pics.

The one I used showed two dogs who are still alive and have all their parts.

I swear I thought this one was not bad compared to dogfight pics of what really happens to dogs like the ones Vick is wagering on and the ones he has, himself killed by various means.



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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 09:17 AM
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29. Some of us *deliberately* choose not to google these images
I am well aware of what's going on - I have contributions automatically taken out of my bank account monthly to HSUS and the ASPCA. I KNOW what's going on and I don't HAVE to see the pictures. A "graphic" warning would have been "polite". Personally, I don't think it's too much to ask.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 10:58 AM
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32. Why the f*** would I look up dogfight pictures????????????
You should have mentioned the graphic content in your thread title.
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 09:24 AM
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30. Thanks
I can barely stomach reading/hearing about this stuff - it breaks my soul to even know it's happening - but I fight it with contributions and activity with groups that are working to outlaw this stuff.
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 08:28 AM
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22. Nothing short of Prison Time...OR
Edited on Fri Jul-20-07 08:28 AM by Highway61
Put his sorry ass on a plane to Iraq...He's the type who would wet his pants in 5 seconds. Big man is he? County boy? My ass. SICK pervert is what he is. My God, there are times I think to my self..."God must be crying"...this is one of those times. There is a special hell for people like that. :cry:

edit: spelling
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 08:29 AM
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23. So he admits to doing this?
Will the Vick defenders still defend him now?
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 08:50 AM
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26. Not only does he admit it....
Vick said at first that his family was running amok (I'm paraphrasing again) while he was out of town - that he had no idea that dog fights were going on when he was away...

I guess that didn't work when the feds pointed out that having 66 dogs on his property sort of ---- well was obvious... duh. That his family really couldn't hide all of the dogs that were anchored to truck axels in the yard and the fighting pit was a permenent fixture that he really couldn't miss....

BUT the real clincher is that the feds put some pressure on Vick's friends and they turned on him - Telling the tales of torture and abuse.

Here in San Diego, Ladainian Tomlinson admited that he has been to dogfights but that it too was a cultural, country-boy thang...

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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 09:11 AM
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27. A slap on the wrist
Michael Vick is wealthy and a talented player who is wanted by his profession.
This class of people get away with almost anything. I am willing to bet he will get a fine and "probation".

You or I get caught doing this and it's all over.

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rollin74 Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:40 AM
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34. I hope you're wrong
I don't think the federal system uses probation much, if at all, as a form of punishment. A fine is possible but it's very likely IMO that Vick gets sentenced to prison if convicted . He may only get a few months though.

A few years ago, the feds sent Jamal Lewis of the Baltimore Ravens to prison for 4 months for using his cell phone to set up a drug deal. Somehow I don't think Michael Vick is going to avoid prison time if he is found guilty on these dog fighting charges.

Hopefully he doesn't get a slap on the wrist. These are serious charges and he deserves to do serious time.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 09:25 AM
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31. He is from NEWPORT NEWS for crying out loud
:eyes:

Country boy my ass
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kwyjibo Donating Member (612 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 11:10 AM
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33. So... what was his exact explanation? Is there a quote somewhere?
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