Ugh... a day elapsed between the Benoit murders...

[MonkeyFunk]

the wife was killed Friday. The son, sometime Saturday.

Press Conference now on MSNBC. Wife was found bound.

[LSK]

1. and stream available for this?

[MonkeyFunk]

2. sorry, I don't know

it's probably almost over, though.

[endarkenment]

3. Meanwhile 400 or so Iraqis are getting murdered every day.

In our bloody occupation. But it just ain't celebrity nooze.

[Bridget Burke]

7. Lots of people "knew" this guy & liked him. Even if they were only fans.

Do you make that same response when a DU'er lets us know a beloved relative has passed on?

[endarkenment]

49. right

exactly. We were all intimate acquaintances. In our minds, anyhow. Note how your post has to put the "knew" in quotes because it is obviously a false statement. Sheesh.

[Shakespeare]

24. AND the DU Purity of Discussion contingent checks in.

:eyes:

[LostinVA]

30. Tell me about it

[jobycom]

25. Maybe you should make a list of acceptable stories for people to care about

and submit it to all news channels so they will know not to report anything else.

[endarkenment]

38. That has already been done.

And it has been very effective. What I wonder about is why we here on DU fall right in line obsessing over the latest celebrity nooze disaster?

[jobycom]

41. Well, if it's been very effective, this must be on the list

or else the media wouldn't have reported it.

You can't tell people what they should care about. That's fascist, and it won't work anyway.

[endarkenment]

47. Who exactly did I tell to not care about what?

I merely mentioned that meanwhile around 400 Iraqis were murdered by our criminal occupation of Iraq today, like every day, and that as usual there GENERALLY IS NO REPORTING OF THE CARNAGE, and what reporting there is gets buried. What leads? This morning it was Paris Hilton. And the benoit murders. We are obsessed with celebrity nooze. I haven't told anyone to do shit. I can suggest that people get over their celebrity obsessions and recognize that they are being manipulated - and how that is facism is an exercise in stupidity that you will have to provide as I cannot begin to figure that out.

Cheers.

[Marrah_G]

35. Yeah, because everyone forgot about that

:sarcasm:

Some people here are actually intelligent enough to focus on numerous stories all in the SAME day ~GASP~

[RB TexLa]

4. Horrible

A Bible found beside each victim.

[napi21]

9. WHAT has happened to religion?

Yes, I know there were things like the crusades etc, but I'm talking about MY life time. It used to be that religion taught love thy neighbor, human life was precious, hate, anger, & violence were wrong, and MURDER was a serious sin!

Now we have preachers screaming hate, suggesting assinations, and people committing murder apparently based upon something he found in the Bible????

I know we can never go back in history, but what ever happened to "religious people" actually being good?

[RB TexLa]

16. Other than how and within a range when, that's looks like about all we are

going to know about what happened in that house.

Who knows.

[Bill McBlueState]

29. I don't think there was a golden age of religion

Religious people have always been about as likely to do good or evil as non-religious people. Religion seems to provide a good excuse for the things people would do anyway.

[hfojvt]

36. many religious people still are good

a crazy or hateful person can use any book as a source of their 'inspiration' or justification, whether it is the Bible or Catcher in the Rye.

[Bucky]

5. Amazing. And I guess the neighbors heard nothing.

Or at least nothing unusual. How horrible it must've been.

How strange that the suicide part of the murder-suicide kinda takes away the anger I usual feel when I think about crimes like this.

[napi21]

12. They lived in an area where the homes were on 5 acre estates.

It would be amazing if anyone heard anything.

[durrrty libby]

14. I am plenty angry. These assholes never just walk away and go

kill themselves. No they always have to take the woman and kid down too.

What an arrogant prick

[Sequoia]

34. Aaaagreed.

I have no sympathy for him at all. NONE!!! Or Cutts, or that guy in California of last week. Cowards every single one.

[durrrty libby]

37. The violence against women and children in this country,

is stunning

[Sequoia]

43. It seems since this hateful war and the attitude of Chimp's administration

Have increased the violence dramatically.

[Kingshakabobo]

6. That doesn't surprise me.

Probably killed the wife in a fit of rage and tried to concoct a cover story with the "bizarre text messages/reports of sick family." After he decided that wouldn't work he went all the way.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

8. The flaw with that is why kill his son at all

It would seem if that were the case killing himself would have been enough.

[slj0101]

10. Panic. He killed the wife & son over the weekend.

It wasn't until yesterday that he killed himself.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

20. I meant if he killed his wife in a fit of rage why kill his son too

But as was pointed out below these things seldom make sense.

[sandnsea]

13. Classic control/abuser

Murder/suicide. Happens every day. I don't understand why they kill the children either. The pitfalls of the male dominated culture.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

21. I'll never be able to wrap my mind around such motivation

And for that I'm a very grateful.

[alarimer]

50. Do you suppose he was an abuser as well?

I guess some people really have some very dark secrets and can fool millions of people, even.

What's most shocking in these cases is how out of the blue they appear. I mean, you always hear the friends and family say that they had no idea anything was wrong.

[sandnsea]

57. Murder/suicides always are

It's just textbook. Steroids may have contributed to his paranoia/obsessiveness; a hyper-agressive reaction to what is really a fear of abandonment. They may have made his feelings more intense. But I don't think they could have created this problem. These attitudes are formed in childhood.

I'm the first to consider mental illness in murder cases. But when a man kills his wife and family, it's an abuse/control issue. Not one of those 'he snapped' sorts of things.

[Kingshakabobo]

17. Why do any murder suicides involve the kids?

My guess would be so the kids don't have to go through life fatherless AND motherless knowing daddy killed mommy............twisted, I know.


This is pure speculation on my part. I haven't read much on this except from the posts on DU. I haven't even opened a link........but the weird text messages of a "sick family" prior to finding them dead is a flag.

What I also find strange is the seemingly large numbers of professional wrestling fans on DU. I always thought of the "sport" as violent, misogynistic and phony - you know, kinda freeperish. Again, I could be wrong and I really don't care - just a little surprised is all.

[durrrty libby]

22. "you know, kinda freeperish. " Wow

I think the WWE is silly, but my very elderly gramma, adores it

She is no freeper, Mr Snotty Snob

[Kingshakabobo]

26. Yes, but does your grandma wear combat boots? I bet she does.

[durrrty libby]

32. You lose....again

[Lone_Star_Dem]

23. Twisted, yes.

Since no person in their right mind would commit an act such as this, I suppose twisted applies.

I'm surprised at the number of fans here also. I'm sure that simply because I've never seen the entertainment value of professional wrestling, and I want to think most people would be the same as myself. I supposed the fact that it has such a large following means that many, many people disagree with me and find it greatly entertaining.

[alcibiades_mystery]

33. Oh, now you gone and done it

Memo to Kingshakaboo: Any evaluations of cultural quality whatsoever make you an absolute snob on these boards. Think a well-cooked steak is better than a Big Mac? Snob. Think Beethoven is better than Britney Spears? Outrageous elitist! Think actual Italian cuisine is better than the Olive garden? How dare you insult the lifestyle choices of our precious members? How dare you not validate their tastes! You are in for a drubbing, Kingshakaboo. The populists will hoist you to the rafters and drop you straight into a microwave-boiled vat of Cheez Whiz. You're finished...

[Kingshakabobo]

39. *snicker*

I shoulda known better. I even tried to not sound judgmental by saying:

"Again, I could be wrong and I really don't care - just a little surprised is all."

But, sadly, it wasn't enough for at least one "outraginista."

[Name removed]

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[Kingshakabobo]

52. Ha! Talk about reading comprehension.....

......or intentional obtuseness and gross mis-characterization of a point.

Here:

I always thought of the "sport" as violent, misogynistic and phony - you know, kinda freeperish.

Anyone who made it past the fifth grade reading level should be able to deal with that simple sentence......(I bolded "sport" for YOUR benefit.) NOWHERE did I say the "concern" was freeperish.

[alarimer]

51. It is probably nowhere near as bad as the Ultimate Fighting stuff

because professional wrestling is fake, as far as the rivalries and all that. I guess the "fights" are rigged. Sheer theater. Which is not to say that the people who do aren't athletes and usually very fit. I just find it silly but harmless.

UFC on the other hand is just frightening.

[Faygo Kid]

11. 'Roid rage

How many wrestlers are dead now, Vince McMahon?
And this time, his family? All for the perfect body?
Betcha Vince is a Bush contributor. His kind of guy.
There is no perfect. Sad.

[soothsayer]

15. ken would get his a$$ kicked with a scrawny build like that

[Lex]

40. but maybe he wouldn't have killed barbie

and their child.

[flvegan]

18. Thinking about that kid in the house, his mom already dead

I can only hope that he didn't see/hear/know about his murdered mother. How heartbreaking for all involved.

[MonkeyFunk]

19. I know...

that's what I keep thinking about. Just horrible.

[jobycom]

28. That's the most haunting image in this for me, too. nt

[LostinVA]

31. Me too -- that would make it even worse

[jobycom]

27. Sounds like maybe mental illness?

Just speculating, but his wife was bound and had blood under her head, so it wasn't a fit-of-rage murder. He had time to back out, and binding someone requires calculation. Smothered his soon in a different room, at night, a day later, maybe while he slept, maybe as a mercy killing. I wonder if the son knew his mother was dead. That's a classic mental illness sign--killing a child so the child doesn't have to live a life of pain. The Bible beside each body is an act of contrition, as well as an attempt to help their souls, maybe.

Just speculating. Not an expert, I've just been around a lot of mental illness, so I tend to see it everywhere. It just doesn't sound calculated, especially since he killed himself, and it doesn't sound like an accidental fit of rage, with the wife bound hand and foot. Certainly not with the child killed a day later. He wasn't in his right mind.

Can roids trigger a latent mental illness, or cause one?

[flvegan]

42. 'Roids are the boogeyman in this story.

Dr. Darkes did an excellent article on steroids and aggression. I think the bigger answers lie with what other scripts he had, and the true answer will only come out after the toxicology report.

Let me see if I can find that article.

[cgrindley]

48. CNN says they found steroids

it wouldn't surprise me if this was the culprit. What sort of idiot does steroids?

[conscious evolution]

53. First thing I thought,too

Soon as I heard murder suicide I knew he wigged out on steroids.

[Fox Mulder]

44. Benoit used to be my favorite wrestler.

But after reading what he did to his wife and his child, I'm not going to immortalize him in any way, shape, or form. EVER. I see the WWE isn't going to do that, either. They removed all of Chris Benoit's merchandise and tribute videos off its website after this story developed.

What really upsets me in all this is that his child was in the house for a full day after his mother was killed. Imagine what that kid went through. :(

[RamboLiberal]

46. I know he has his fans here - but it sickens me what he did

And it sickens me to hear they had a 3 hour memorial show to him last night (yeah I know it was supposed to be the McMahon fake death drama show which I also find despicable). BTW steroids reportedly also found in the house which doesn't shock me.

Investigators also found prescription anabolic steroids in the house, Lt. Tommy Pope of the Fayette County Sheriff's Department. He would not comment on Benoit's state of mind or possible motive.


http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8Q0MP5G1&show_article=1

[alarimer]

54. They probably didn't know at that point

Only a few hours after they were found.

[tammywammy]

55. I doubt they knew last night

It's just all very sad, and I'm not a fan at all.

[flvegan]

56. None of us knew last night.

The WWE didn't know, either, I don't think. I understand that they're scrubbing their site to remove him.