**** Official "Paul McNulty on Firings of US Attorneys Grilling" Thread TWO ****

[Eurobabe]

on C-SPAN 3

www.c-span.org

thread one here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1152818&mesg_id=1152818

[whistle]

1. Kick

[Norquist Nemesis]

2. Thanks! So, Mr. McNulty gets his information about DOJ from

The National Review? :wtf:

[Eurobabe]

3. why is Cannon aiding and abetting the Democrats? snark

esp. after his opening pronouncement that this is partisan politics? :shrug:

[samq79]

5. shhh...no complaining...let's just let him go ahead and help the dems...n/t

[Norquist Nemesis]

4. Okay...what's up with Cannon???

Something is up. Twice now, first Conyers now Johnston, he said "this is an important issue. give more time"

Some thing is up!

[rusty charly]

6. maybe he thinks

he will talk his way out of it

[L. Coyote]

9. McNulty is their man, #2 at DoJ, make no mistake about it.

And, the questions have not gone in the areas they want to avoid, like corporate fraud charging, the McNulty Memo, the reasons for Lam's firing, etc.

[bobthedrummer]

13. And Alice S. Fisher is the criminal in charge of the Criminal Division now

[bobthedrummer]

7. "Well, what I meant by that was..."

[whistle]

8. Voter machine fraud Feeny is now up

[rusty charly]

10. the bushies are

so easily mislead.

"No one could have imagined we'd politicize the DoJ and make it a wing of the Republic Party!"

[Robbien]

20. What? who said that?

And I believe it was the Heritage House who put out the playbook three years ago which outlined how the RNC should go about politicizing the government.

[Hubert Flottz]

11. Tom Phoney is breaking up!

[napi21]

12. Wether you believe McNulty or not, at least he's NOT using the

I don't recall or I don't have anything to do what that excuses!

[Norquist Nemesis]

18. He's just saying it with a whole bunch alot more usage of the English

language dialog questioning from questions being asked by the esteemed members on the House Judiciary Subcomittee to fully inform all members to the greatest and best extent of his memory as it was refreshed during subsequent sessions in preparation for another session before the esteemed members on the House Judiciary....(are my five minutes up yet?)

[alfredo]

40. He doesn't have an "Easy Button" like the others.

[rusty charly]

14. Remembery-ing

is HARD WORK!

[rusty charly]

15. And I wish you well with your new career

as a lobbyist.

[L. Coyote]

16. Rep. Tom Feeney (R-Fla.) Public deserves a full accounting on FBI's Abramoff probe

Rep. Tom Feeney (R-Fla.) has been mentioned multiple times in court documents filed by the Justice Department as "Representative #3" in the criminal investigation of Mark Zachares, a former congressional aide to Rep. Don Young (R-Alaska) and lobbyist who, last month, pleaded guilty to accepting tens of thousands of dollars in gifts from Jack Abramoff. .............

At Least 11 Members of Congress Now, 05/03/2007 - 15:47.
http://www.prwatch.org/node/6013

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Public deserves a full accounting from Rep. Feeney on FBI's Abramoff probe

Our view: Time for answers
Public deserves a full accounting from Rep. Feeney on FBI's Abramoff probe
http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070503/OPINION/705030314/1004

There are a lot of questions that demand answers -- answers the public isn't getting but has a right to know.

We're talking about Rep. Tom Feeney's refusal to address specifics of the FBI probe into his relationship with influence-peddling felon Jack Abramoff and the widening congressional corruption scandal in his wake.

An investigation that includes the FBI contacting FLORIDA TODAY and requesting a videotape copy of an interview Feeney did with the newspaper's editorial board last year during which he discussed Abramoff.

The Oviedo Republican accompanied Abramoff on a Scotland golf junket in 2003 -- the same kind of junket Abramoff used to draw other members of Congress and their staff members into his criminal activities.

...............

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FROM: Eleven Members of Congress Now Under Investigation, PLUS ten former members
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x831278#831380

[whistle]

26. Indeed, Feeney is dirty

[tsuki]

70. Filthy. nt

[caligirl]

17. earlier conyers said this might go to criminal charges re: ignoring subpoena's

Was he dropping a big hint to McNulty like tell the truth or this could be for you as well? Because so far McNut is not telling us anything helpful and probably lying again.

And with comments from repugs bathing him in complements he definitly IS lying.

[L. Coyote]

23. He got his answer. McNulty would not assist the Committee. He claims recusal.

So, Numero Uno and Numero Dos at DoJ will not assist the Congress with enforcing subpoenas. Who is number three in the chain of command at DoJ?

[DURHAM D]

31. I am confused.

Is the DOJ refusing to serve subpoenas on people as requested by Congress?
or
Are DOJ officials refuing to acknowledge subpoenas they have personally received asking them to appear?

[Norquist Nemesis]

33. Bottom line: He refused to answer calling it "recusing himself"

Conyers specifically was asking what the Policy is of the DOJ in helping to enforce subpoenas. He "recused". We don't know from him what the Policy is.

[DURHAM D]

39. I was been wondering for some while

what the enforcement arm of Congress really is.

They don't have their own sheriff.

[L. Coyote]

82. He recuses himself from an entire area of DoJ activity because his role is in question

and that means he may have acted improperly and cannot stay involved. Likewise for Gonzales.

In this case, he is saying he will not act on the matter, enforcing subpoenas, because the area of inquiry is one he has already recused himself from participating in. It boils down to 'he might have to subpoena himself' in a very generalized way.

This does not mean DoJ would refuse to enforce Congressional subpoenas. The situation may become one in which #3 has to deliver the subpoenas to #1 and #2, and put them under indictment if they do not comply. You see the problem here. This is like a "firing your boss" dilemna.

[whistle]

19. Delahunt suggests that McNulty was "zoned out of developing the list

....of attorneys to be fired"

[rodeodance]

42. so, the # 2 man in DOJ was out of the loop?--purposely?

[bobthedrummer]

21. Michael Elston was McNulty's aide at DoJ-he announced his resignation last Friday

[L. Coyote]

29. DU: Breaking: Fifth Top Justice Department Official Resigns (Mike Elston)

babylonsister Fri Jun-15-07 04:02 PM - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1120587
Breaking: Fifth Top Justice Department Official Resigns (Mike Elston)

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/15/elston-resignation /

Breaking: Fifth Top Justice Department Official Resigns

Mike Elston, chief of staff to Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty, has become the fifth Justice Department official to resign after being linked to the firings of several U.S. attorneys

Elston’s resignation is effective at the end of next week. .............

[Norquist Nemesis]

22. No wonder Bushies have such in-depth knowledge of how terrorist cells operate

They've been utilizing the same MO for years! :grr:

[robinlynne]

24. what website are they talking about?

[Eurobabe]

25. Cohen asking McNulty about Honors Program

we don't need no stinkin' Liberal elites from Harvard or Yale in DOJ, only Tier 4 Fundy lackies. (my response)

[Eurobabe]

27. Watt, D-NC questioning now re: Iglesias and Goodling briefing

asking about Domenici. You told her not to reference these concerns in materials briefing Congress?

[Norquist Nemesis]

32. I don't remember it that way, as far as I can remember...

maybe. Who knows!

[bobthedrummer]

28. Watt introduces the New Mexico component

[rusty charly]

30. where's the outrage?

i want some pressure here.

[DURHAM D]

34. I agree -

This is way to friendly. Where is the indignation on my behalf/on the peoples behalf. The enemy is in the room - go after him.

[L. Coyote]

37. Problem. He is still # 2. That will be changing soon.

[DURHAM D]

41. Are you suggesting that if they make him mad he

won't cooperate in any way, provide information or serve subpoenas?

[caligirl]

38. you could all call membership at the link here and express your own outrage at their lack of it.

tis is today's committee hearing membership roster:
http://judiciary.house.gov/committeestructure.aspx?committee=5

Full committee
http://judiciary.house.gov/CommitteeMembership.aspx

[DURHAM D]

43. Thanks.

If they don't turn it up several notches I will do just that.

[L. Coyote]

35. McNulty: Domenici Oct. 4 "brief conversation" was a factor in Iglesias firing

"Would it be fair to say you were fully informing the Senate...?" Consistent. That's is so lawyer speak, and not an answer.

Carol Lam brought up by McNulty. He is trying to cover his own actions and the Departments.

What about the McNulty Memo?

[whistle]

36. Watt now is asking "Who put the list together and why those names?"

[bobthedrummer]

44. "Alice S. Fisher is a criminal heading the Gonzales DoJ Criminal Division"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1110367#1145941

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

45. Did I miss something? Has there been any further mention about Caging?

:shrug:

[DemReadingDU]

55. Conyers asking McNulty about caging

[rusty charly]

46. "We don't like these hearings

can we just wrap it up?"

[whistle]

47. Keller is a high school mentality geek, "I have a feeling Monica Goodling

...is mad at cha".

[Norquist Nemesis]

49. He's intimating "Is she just a woman scorned taking revenge?"

It's pretty obvious. "Isn't she just a dumb blonde who had a 'thing' for Griffin and blames you for his problems?"

[whistle]

Uhmm, rePukes now throwing her under the bus

[Hubert Flottz]

48. Mr. Keller is breaking up...

[Norquist Nemesis]

53. huh?

I'm listening 100% and watching maybe 3%...He's laughing?

[whistle]

50. McNulty just introduced the issue of caging

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

51. He goes, McNulty talking about Caging and didn't know anything about it personally. eom

[helderheid]

52. Conyers up!!

[Norquist Nemesis]

57. "Did you just say that you didn't know anything about caging?"

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[caligirl]

59. caging and Palast brought up "you never looked at the caging..?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

54. Conyers asking McNulty about Caging and Greg Palast's article!!!! eom

[tishaLA]

56. Greg Palast question!!!

Go Rep. Conyers!

[SharonRB]

60. Go, John, go!!

[Norquist Nemesis]

61. "Didn't Monica Goodling tell you that caging might come up at the hearing?"

Yes, she did.

[bobthedrummer]

58. Conyers: "Did you just say you didn't know anything about caging?" and he cites Palast article

[Norquist Nemesis]

62. So Goodling brings it up the day before and he fails to inform himself

anything about caging? Maybe he didn't NEED to get informed...hmmmm????

[whistle]

63. White guys don't give a rat's ass about caging

[whistle]

64. McNulty will work with Conyers about caging, at $600 per hour in

....his private practice eh?

[DemReadingDU]

65. Cannon doesn't want to ask questions?

yielding to Johnson

[Norquist Nemesis]

67. Nah...he'd rather keep his monkey wrenches handy when needed

Any questions that get too close or too hot, he'll jump right in.

[whistle]

72. Like the ambulance chaser lawyer that he is!

[bobthedrummer]

66. Johnson cites Goodling's testimony that McNulty's statements were "false"

[rusty charly]

68. i wish judge judy was doing this

evidently? try "yes" or "no"

[Norquist Nemesis]

69. LOL! I want Seidling

He'd be in tears over what's been going on.

[caligirl]

71. there's my congress critter and another SCU grad(kids school)

[caligirl]

73. ACORN case asked about by Lofgren

[whistle]

74. The repuks on the committee are breathing easier as McNulty

....wraps up his testimony having dropped NO BOMBS

[slowry]

75. Who's the suit behind mcnulty, making all the stupid faces? n/t

[whistle]

77. The one on McNulty's left has been sending finger singles all testimony

[slowry]

79. thanks. im a bit late tuning in ;) n/t

[whistle]

96. Actually a typo, signals with his fingers, but he left b-4 McNulty's

...testimony finished. The suit stayed but I have no idea who that is

[mod mom]

76. von Spakovsky brought up as making a deal.

[Hubert Flottz]

78. Mr. Cannon is breaking up badly...

I can't hear any of the pubbies today!

[whistle]

80. Keller slipped out for an extra large phili cheese steak sandwich

....and he is now revved up asking for extra time through yield!

[whistle]

81. wrap-up now!

[rusty charly]

83. another meaningless hearing concluded.

we got nowhere.

we got nothing.

another crook walks.

[whistle]

90. Congress needs to persevere and keep chipping away at the lies

...and also to send law enforcement officers to the White House and pull those they have subpoenaed to come testify

[Eurobabe]

84. It's over, did we learn anything?

Kind of a non-starter, to me it seemed? :shrug:

[L. Coyote]

85. THANKS EVERYONE for great comments. Do say THANK YOU to the Committee.

[Eurobabe]

92. ditto that. this was a strange hearing...fersure

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

86. THANKS FOR THIS THREAD!! All I get is EEK, Hastert the Java,...CSPAN1.

:hi:

[whistle]

87. McNulty's body language shows he just compromised his integrity

....but his seven figure salary in private practice ought to make that feeling disappear pretty quickly

The lying son of a bitch!

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

89. Apparently, he sacrificed his integrity,...some time ago,...sadly.

[whistle]

91. Well he knows it and it appears to be weighing on him, potential

....multi-million dollar cases will make that acid reflux feeling in his throat disappear

[DURHAM D]

88. Whenever I see these perfectly groomed , attractive ,

smirking, arrogant fascist Republicans like McNothin I think about the Boys from Brazil.

We have at least 94 little Hitler clones working in the Bush government.

[whistle]

93. Monica Goodling replay of her testimony a month ago, interesting

[L. Coyote]

99. UNEXPLAINED: Why White House Liason prepares the Deputy AG for Congress.

It just amazes me that Monica Goodling was the one preparing the Deputy AG to go to the Hill. Then, she gets hung out for not doing a good job of it. Who has an org chart of DoJ? How does this make any sense, except as the WH covering up their role in the firings?

[whistle]

102. The subpoenas of Harriet Miers and and Sara Taylor to appear

...next month could get closer to the truth, if the Whit House allows these two to appear:

<snip>
The chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday issued a subpoena to Sara Taylor, former White House political director. About the same time, it was announced that the House Judiciary Committee will issue a subpoena in the same case to former White House counsel Harriet Miers.

<deep clip>
A White House statement issued Wednesday said: "We are aware of the Judiciary committees' plans to issue subpoenas. We will respond appropriately. The committees can easily obtain the facts they want without a confrontation by simply accepting our offer for documents and interviews. But it's clear that Sen. Leahy and Rep. Conyers are more interested in drama than facts."

Leahy had warned the White House that subpoenas would be issued if it did not fully cooperate with the Senate effort to provide the desired information. He said earlier efforts to get information from the White House had been ignored.
<more>

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/06/13/us.attorneys.subpoenas/index.html

[librechik]

94. that was total obfuscating ass-covering

all he did was muddy the waters

[spanone]

95. Had to leave, did they break for lunch or is it over?

[rusty charly]

97. it's over.

[spanone]

98. mighty short...didn't start till almost 11:30 CST.

[L. Coyote]

100. REPLAY starts at 3 ET, in a few minutes. Time to Start another thread for the reviewing.

[L. Coyote]

101. **** Official "Paul McNulty on Firings of US Attorneys Grilling" Thread REPLAY ****

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1154202

PLEASE REC

[L. Coyote]

103. Elston and McNulty Exec. Session Interviews = redacted PDFs RELEASED

6-21-07 Release.

McNulty Hearing Interview Transcript Excerpts

Elston Interview - http://judiciary.house.gov/Media/PDFS/Elston070621.pdf
McNulty Interview p. 12-16 - http://judiciary.house.gov/Media/PDFS/McNultyp12-16.pdf
McNulty Interview p. 19-24
.....
McNulty Interview p. 263-265

MORE LINKS: http://judiciary.house.gov/Printshop.aspx?Section=594