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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 09:36 AM Original message |
Will Libby's Pardon Be Enough For You To Demand Impeachment |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
1. Hell I've been demanding impeachment for several years now |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
49. Ditto! (Impeach. Remove. Indict. Convict. Imprison. Rinse. Repeat.) |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 07:46 PM Response to Reply #49 |
63. No truer words ever typed, IMHO |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 08:03 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Those who argue there wouldn't be 67 votes only serve to get ZERO votes. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 12:47 AM Response to Reply #49 |
67. May I use your motto as my avatar? love it. |
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Lint Head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
2. I have been writing my congress people and senators regarding impeachment |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
3. Neither necessary nor sufficient. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
4. Have always been for impeachment--a pardon would just further piss me off. |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
5. Here's the problem: |
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RogueSpirit (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
6. What's the point? |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:32 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. No. |
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RogueSpirit (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:53 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Very succinct, but... |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. That's what they said in '74 |
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RogueSpirit (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 11:11 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Oh I agree, however... |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. I can't believe there will be a net cost to Dems for Impeachment |
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BuyingThyme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 11:05 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Without formal investigations into the criminal activity of the Chimp, |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. A pardon allows Libby to re-surface in another administration. |
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Norquist Nemesis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. The point is Precedence. n/t |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:02 PM Response to Reply #6 |
39. Ooh! Another one! |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:09 PM Response to Reply #6 |
47. You've heard of that pesky thing called the Constitution |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
8. Yes. It's the camel that breaks the straw |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 11:12 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. My prediction: pardon in November/December |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. A pardon would be a great political issue - something to rally round. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
14. Pardoning Libby, while vile, is not grounds for impeachment in and of itself, |
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RogueSpirit (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 11:37 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. BINGO! |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:17 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. Impeachment damages the GOP whether or not the Senate convicts |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 01:03 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Separate question. This question is: does pardoning Libby make a change |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. But, it is an act of political provocation that can trigger Impeachment |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. My head is wrapped around it. It does not, however, change any of the |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:03 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Why are you against Impeachment? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:06 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Because I think impeachment without removal from office costs |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:09 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Didn't hurt the GOP one bit, did it? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 03:48 PM Response to Reply #48 |
59. DU is rife with debate on the value of impeachment without removal. I'm not |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
33. GOP used impeachment of Clinton to make sure Bush took office in 2001 |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
15. Pardoning Libby isn't a case for impeachment |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Politically, it's the incentive Congress needs to do it. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. doubtful |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:28 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. A pardon would hurt the GOP, and Impeachment would kill it |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:22 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. But, even if it's an incentive |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:32 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. A pardon is a political trigger. It's not the charge, in itself, but a way to get |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 01:00 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. But there are only certain activites that impeachment is for |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. A pardon goes to the political aspect of Impeachment. It's a political trigger |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:02 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. I don't think it changes the political incentive |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:07 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. The incentive to Impeachment is many fold: 1) right thing to do; 2) puts evidence on record; 3) |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:14 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. and all of those exist now. I thought we were talking about the impact of a pardon |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:18 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Yes, they do. But, a pardon would be gas on the fire |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:25 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. again, I don't see it making a difference re impeachment |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:39 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Then, the Dems impeach, and it becomes a campaign issue for all GOP races |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
21. Many DUers are so scared of it that they won't be for it until God himself comes down... |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:20 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. There's a deep misunderstanding about Impeachment. It'll wound the GOP, regardless of whether the |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:05 PM Response to Reply #26 |
42. repub congressmen have been defending chimpy all along |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:30 PM Response to Reply #42 |
55. They will try to fight back, but Impeachment will hurt GOP worse than us. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 03:01 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. actually the repubs lost ground after trying to impeach clinton |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 03:17 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Thanks for pointing that out. The difference seems to be that Bill's |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
25. No |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 12:34 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. You miss the point, entirely. A pardon wouldbe a political trigger for Impeachment |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 09:07 PM Response to Reply #30 |
65. No, it wouldn't |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
38. Libby's CONVICTION is enough to call for impeachment. NOW. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:05 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Agreed. |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
43. There's already plenty of reasons to impeach this president. |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
45. I gave up demanding impeachment when I realized our elected reps were too scared to do it. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:21 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Cause or Effect? They need our encouragement to do it. |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 06:05 PM Response to Reply #52 |
62. They need encouragement to uphold the constitution? Great.... |
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E-Z-B (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
54. Dubya can't pardon Libby. The whitehouse made a deal with Fitzgerald that to keep Rove from being |
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GreenTea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #54 |
61. As if these criminals & liars would actually live up to their word...They do as they please... |
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GreenTea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-18-07 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
60. No! Demand all you want...it ain't NEVER going to happen! Bush is here to cruise |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
66. the camel's back broke a long long time ago. |
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pat_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 05:29 AM Response to Original message |
68. Torture broke the camel's back years ago. . . |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-19-07 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
69. The Libby pardon will come after the 2008 elections |
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