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thomhartmann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 04:29 PM
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Thom Hartmann: Sen. Bernie Sanders suggests maybe Obama should face a primary challenger
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Sen. Bernie Sanders suggests maybe Obama should face a primary challenger

July 22 -Senator Sanders (I-VT) on the Thom Hartmann Radio Program suggested that some democrats may be considering a primary challenge to President Obama. Bernie's office confirm that Bernie himself is not planning to run.

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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 04:30 PM
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1. Yer damn tootin'!
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Twostones Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 08:15 PM
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18. Obama will not be re-elected
He stabbed his base in the back. We didn't get single payer health care. The patriot act was renewed against the constitution. He increased the war in Afghanistan driving us further in debt. He coddled the corporations and caved to the new republican house. Then he puts social security and Medicaid on the table in budget negotiations against the will of 80% of americans. The voters will stay home unless we get a new progressive to run on the democratic ticket. He Shot himself in the foot. He is finished. Even organized labor wants someone else to run. When ever a president rides the fence trying to make both parties happy he is finished. Obama is a one term president no matter what.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 07:55 AM
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35. I have to wonder.
if DU can survive another primary.
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theFrankFactor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 04:38 PM
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2. Barack is Hopeless - This is Whio He IS!
Edited on Fri Jul-22-11 04:39 PM by theFrankFactor
I really hope the Left stops thinking that they can nudge Barack Obama to the Left. Why would he care? He's in! He's a Corpracrat and he is showing everyone what he stands for!

He has no fear, and why should he? You still think that because he won, that the election process in this fucking Turd World country are sound? LOL!

This shit is WAY off track!

We're talking US vs. THEM!

The sooner sane people realize this the sooner we can get started.

This system is filthy dirty from the top down and getting worse not better.
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 06:46 PM
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14. The only place that Obama should be nudged
is out the door -

reminds me of the Simon and Garfunkle song - 50 ways to leave your lover - 'no need to be coy Roy'
'just slip out the back Jack'
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 04:38 PM
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3. Thank you for clarifying that.
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 04:49 PM
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4. My pick ? Howard Dean....
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 06:49 PM
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15. Dean's comments about Obama's having a great
three weeks with the Republicans most recently

his reluctance to challenge Obama

makes me think that he is not up to the job - sounds like nothing more than a cheerleader for the Titanic.

Bernie is/has been much bolder than Dean about challenging the system.
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 10:13 PM
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26. Your point is well taken. I do think that Dean has a better feel
for a widespread campaign and voter acceptance.
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Twostones Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 04:59 PM
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5. My pick
Dennis Kucinich. He has always been for real people in america and for peace.
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mudstump Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 05:10 PM
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6. My Pick Too
Howard Dean!
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 08:00 PM
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17. Howard Dean does not distinguish
his foreign policy that much from the corporate Democrats and Obama's foreign policy. He has been too silent on this 'Gang of Six' debacle. Although his approach to health care would certainly be welcomed and an improvement over what we have - other than that I don't see that big of a difference.
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 09:39 PM
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24. Howard Dean has been smeared by the corporate media as a radical leftist
Even though he is not. Obama is not getting re-elected whether he is primaried or not and the reason the media will give for his loss is that Obama is too progressive for the American people.

The system sucks. It is way too corrupted.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 05:22 PM
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7. YES , YES, YES, AND... LASTLY.... YES.
Of *course* he's gonna keep drifting right. We keep giving him permission to do so.

What other scenario can we possibly expect?
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Jimalene Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 05:23 PM
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8. I agree with these choices
Dennis or Howard or maybe Grayson. Obama has no morals by how easy it was for him to lie to already drowning middle America. It's is now his and Bushes fault for the trouble we are in. All monies went to the very people who got us in this mess and the lest to need it. NO JOBS are being created and are only talked about when it is good for their reelection.
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 05:26 PM
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9. Such a CHAMPION for what's right!
Can you IMAGINE Bernie in the Oval Office at this poin!?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 09:45 PM
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25. He won't get there.......except for in folk's dreams.....
But you will get a kick in the ass from Republicans soon enough
that will wake your ass right up...and then my friend, your dreams
will become pure nightmares.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 01:09 AM
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28. Frenchie, I believe you are a good person
and want Obama and America to succeed, but tell us when it will be acceptable to vote for the most progressive candidate, and to reject the corporate subsidized "Dems"?

Will it be ok once Obama cannot run again? Or will there be a new imperative, where if we don't vote for candidate "X" we'll get republican bogeyman "Z"?

If we vote only against what we fear, there will ALWAYS be something to fear when we vote. We will ALWAYS retell the excuses of the pragmatist, and we will ALWAYS settle for what we are given, not fight for what we deserve.

I know you are a good person. I know you will understand this eventually - Obama is not giving this country what it needs.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 02:06 AM
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30. Oh...y'all will get what y'all need alright......
And you will have worked hard for it consistently
for a more than a couple of years and will righteously
reap what you sowed big time....
It will be all good for some fur sure!

Of course, you are a "good" person too(pat-pat)! ;)
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 12:14 AM
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34. See...we may not agree, but I was sincere. I think you're a good person
don't know why you had to respond like "that"...
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:17 AM
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36. Blaming the victims.
I would bet every person on this thread is going to vote for the Democratic candidate, no matter who that may be. I suspect that he won't be "primaried" but if he is, I'll vote my conscience.

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Twostones Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 05:32 PM
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10. I'm finished with Obama
When he put Social Security, a paid for program that did not contribute to the debt, on the table, he stabbed all of us in the back. Dennis, Grayson, and Dean are all excellent choices. I will never vote for any candidate that votes to reduce social security or medicare. Electing one of these three prospects could also give us the benefit of single payer health care for all. It's about time people. This may be our only chance to save our country from the corporate fascists of the right.
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A Simple Game Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 09:22 PM
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23. If we don't reelect Obama we will end up with a crazy republican.
And if we reelect Obama, maybe you can leave off the crazy part.

I have reached the point in my life where I have to vote my conscience. Unless he does a complete 180 and puts the pedal to the metal, he doesn't get my vote. I will vote 3rd party. No more lesser of two evils for me, you still get evil. Slow death or fast death, it's all death. No more.
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 10:54 PM
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27. Conscience. That's what I've said. Even the Catholic church recognizes
the importance of conscience.

On the other hand, I think it's already in the bag. Whether it be Obama or one of the crazies on the other side, it's all said and done. Like Father Berrigan said (I think it was him) "If voting really mattered, it would be illegal."

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JJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 05:34 PM
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11. Why would anyone risk a 2nd term?
He's already very far right of Reagan. There would be absolutely nothing to stop this corporate toad.
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Twostones Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 05:36 PM
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12. It would be best if Obama did not run for a second term.
We could then concentrate on winning with a real Progressive Democrat.
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rury Donating Member (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 06:12 PM
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13. You will then have President Romney or Bachman or Perry
Because black voters will stay home and Democrats CANNOT win without us.
It will be fun watching this racist country blow the fuck up because the Tea Party refused to work with a black president who tried to SAVE the United States.
You will then see just what a bitch karma is!!!!
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Dirigo Donating Member (157 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 08:00 PM
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16. We're All In This Same Boat
Edited on Fri Jul-22-11 08:01 PM by Dirigo
Look, we're all in this same boat together--black, white, poor, middle class, upper middle class and the not-so-wealthy, men, women, college students, the unemployed, the under-employed, those without medical care and those struggling to keep alive. Enough already! Barack Obama is our greatest hope no matter what you think. He is a Godsend regardless of how his detractors paint him. Whatever Obama can hold onto is enormous compared to what you'd have if we had a RepubliCult Bozo really screwing all of us to the wall. There isn't a chance in hades I'd ever vote for a friggin' RepubliCult swine given their track record since Ronnie McDonald Reagan! We The People must support our President because he is absolutely the best thing that has happened to us post Bush/Cheney who were squatters, usurpers and who trashed the Constitution.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 01:24 AM
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29. "Whatever he can hold on to"
Jeez the guy is tossing foundational Democratic principles in front of a big ass bus and you think he's holding on?

When is it OK to vote for the progressive?

This year? In 4 years? 8? When will there NOT be republican goon waiting in the wings?
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 04:14 PM
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32. Well-stated
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 08:33 PM
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20. someone ought to scare Obama straight, the first Afr-Am president should NOT be tainted like this nt
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 04:13 PM
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31. Why does race have anything to do with this?
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 08:46 PM
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21. Add Peter DeFazio (D, Oregon)
to the wish list.
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Twostones Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-11 08:55 PM
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22. In the insurance industry
you pay your premiums on time. I payed into my retirement system all my life and when i go to collect they cut my benefits? In the insurance industry that is called FRAUD. When Obama put social security on the table he became a partner in the republican FRAUD. He lost my vote and the vote of many others who depend on social security in their later years. He won't get re-elected. The voters will stay home unless they get a different candidate to run. The republicans know this. Why can't the DNC figure it out?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 10:06 PM
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33. Come on, Bernie -- RUN ... !! Americans need YOU -- !!!
Edited on Sat Jul-23-11 10:06 PM by defendandprotect
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