Hillary Doesn't Even Break Stride in "Freedom" Speech as Vet Is Roughed Up Right in Front of Her

[Lars77]

Run time: 00:28 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEJNYP_kY-I   Posted on YouTube: February 17, 2011 By YouTube Member: mmflint Views on YouTube: 305   Posted on DU: February 17, 2011 By DU Member: Lars77 Views on DU: 5004

 

[Junkdrawer]

1. Chilling.

Pretty cold-blodded if you ask me.

[Buzz Clik]

5. I agree. She should have broken down sobbing at the sight of a disruptor being removed.

"Roughed up"???!!! Where would DU be without hyperbole.

[Junkdrawer]

7. Pictures:

http://www.justiceonline.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5553

[Buzz Clik]

16. Wow! Somebody put a gauze and tape on his arm.

Those bastards!

(Surely you realize that the marks on his arms are not bruises from physical violence, nor are they "fresh". Tell me you understand that.)

[TheMadMonk]

26. They are and they are. Old dry "parchment" skin bruises very easily.

And the marks come up looking 2 days old. Those marks are very much fresh. And beneath that gauze is likely a torn or entirely missing patch of skin.

Now chances are that he could have contributed to many of those bruises simply by resisting. My grandmother collected an enormous collection of such bruises from me, my mother and her in home carers simply by making a dead weight of herself whenever we wanted her to move. Her worst efforts, when she actively struggled, she could and on occasion did, litterally pull her arm out of the skin beneath our hands.

However, cops should also be entirely aware of the fragility of the eldery and the need to handle them with due care.

Since when did the fucking crime of "lese majeste" make an appearance on American lawbooks? What this gentleman did was stand and turn his back on THE great Hillary Rodham Clinton, nothing else. What the thugs did was set upon him immediately and dragged him from the room before anyone could take note of his protest.

[Ignis]

40. Dr. Frist, is that you?

Can you tell us when he had his last bowel movement from these pictures, too?

[Buzz Clik]

59. You ever see the skin on a cancer survivor?

gawd.

[JDPriestly]

51. Hillary is very cold-hearted.

I did not support her in 2008 after watching the way she treated Code Pink ladies who came to ask her to vote against the Iraq War. The Code Pink women explained to her that they had been to Iraq and why they opposed the war. She just dismissed them with that snobby look of hers. It was disgusting. She is a know-it-all who does not listen to opinions of people who disagree with her. That is why I do not particularly like her.

Her comments were two-faced, and her hypocrisy was proved by the way she responded to the abuse of power and force that was occurring right under her nose.

[gateley]

67. Yeah, she lost me during the primaries, too. I'd always liked her

and thought she was incredibly intelligent (well, I still do think she's very intelligent) but I was surprised at some of the cut-throat moves she made to try to get the nod. I would have voted for her, of course, and feel she could have done great things, but there's something about her, as you say, that's cold-blooded and that chills me.

[Junkdrawer]

8. Watch the video again. She doesn't even flinch

I repeat: Cold blooded

[Buzz Clik]

17. It's called self control and discipline.

Do we know what he was doing to be so disruptive? That part was curiously edited out of the video. :silly:

[PassingFair]

21. Yes. Reminds me of the self control of other great leaders.

[CLANG]

35. Cold-hearted, man. /eom

[Tunkamerica]

10. who needs real reaction when speeches are to be "given"

where's the hyperbole?

If they had said the vet was beaten down or tortured... but he was roughed up. maybe you don't know what hyperbole means.

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[Historic NY]

25. I agree...he wanted to call attention to himself.

[Tunkamerica]

30. yes, yesterday.

and wanting attention for a cause automatically makes the cause moot.

[Lars77]

13. The text is from Michael Moores video nt

[Buzz Clik]

19. What text?

[Lars77]

22. "roughed up" It's not DU hyperbole, it's the title of Michael Moores video.

I don't want to get into a big thing here, just thought i'd point that out.

[BetterThanNoSN]

27. yeah, ok..

except he is a 27 year CIA veteran. get a clue.

[truth2power]

29. "She should have broken down sobbing..." Strawman..

Refuting a position or claim by distorting, oversimplying or misrepresenting it - just in case you want to argue about your fallacious reasoning, which in this case, is a kind of hyperbole.

No one said she should have broken down sobbing. But do you not really see? IN THE CONTEXT of what she was talking about, it makes her look bad. I would describe her non-response as most bizarre.

[Buzz Clik]

48. Hardly. The prevalent attitude is that Hillary should have done anything to save that poor man.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=554548&mesg_id=554548

Straw man? Hardly. The hysteria on that thread is laughable.

McGovern behaved in the manner of the classic protester -- create a scene, ignore security when they demand that he stop, resist arrest when they start the removal process, shout out some classic phrase as he is being dragged out, and play the role of the martyr afterwards.

Big deal. We've seen this a thousand times before from the right and the left.

[truth2power]

56. Yes, strawman argument. Nobody (except yourself) is saying

that she should have broken down sobbing. That's absurd. But the hyprocrisy of her pontificating about human rights and support for protestors while McGovern is hustled out of the room is repugnant.

[Buzz Clik]

57. Wait. You mean to tell me that you were taking my post literally and you called it a strawman?

:rofl:

Oh my god. This place is plummeting to the bottom of the cesspool.

[truth2power]

63. No, of course not. It's about erecting some absurdity, the purpose of which

is to divert attention from the real issue.

As I said, it's a kind of hyperbole, which is not to be taken literally. That's why it's called hyperbole, i.e., a term used for exaggeration or effect.

The issue is the irony of Clinton talking about people being free to protest, while, directly in front of her, a protester is accosted by security and ushered from the room, shouting.

Neither you nor I would expect her to react in a way (breaking down sobbing) that makes her look even more ridiculous than she already does.

[Buzz Clik]

64. Oh, bullcrap. This stupid feeding frenzy over something Hillary did not do is absurd.

Nothing I could say could possibly rival the rest of the insanity surrounding this issue.

"The issue is the irony of Clinton talking about people being free to protest, while, directly in front of her, a protester is accosted by security and ushered from the room, shouting."

There are limits to everything, and he crossed the line. You can protest abortion clinics, but not inside the building. You can protest the President, but not on the White House lawn. You can protest a speech, but not at the cost of disrupting the speech.

You know this and Ray McGovern sure as hell knew this. The end result was not ironic, it was scripted. McGovern wanted to be arrested. He wanted to be dragged out, and he wanted to be captured on video shouting something stupid so that mindless sheep would predictably stand up and thump their chests in fake outrage.

If you are buying into this charade, you are a fool.

[truth2power]

65. I fail to see how the speech was "disrupted" by him standing, silent,

with his back to the stage. Nevertheless, I think we've plumbed this to the Nth degree. We cannot agree, so it's time to move on.

I do have one observation, though. I've noticed a number of posts on DU where the poster will make a claim or an assertion. Then there will be a space, followed by a one-liner statement of ridicule of some sort, e.g., "fool" "stupid". It happens frequently. If I didn't know better, I'd think it was scripted.

I assume the conditional "if" in your above response makes it not a personal attack. No matter, though. I'm not much into alerting on people, anyway. If it were up to me (and it's not, of course) I'd rather that what people say was there for everyone to see. It's just puzzling is all.

Have a good day.

[uppityperson]

33. Been over to see the GD post yet?

He was Brutalized there.

[Buzz Clik]

58. Yeah. He got a cut on the back of his hand from something.

It's a wonder he lived through it.

:eyes:

[uppityperson]

60. Mine

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=443805&mesg_id=443805

Others with OMG WTF Brutalized Bloodied in the subject line got more views and recs. Odd.

[theFrankFactor]

31. COME AND GET IT BEFORE DU DRAGS ME OUT! Why Don't These Pussy-Ass Responses Surprise Me?

So this is the big Democratic "Underground"! What a fucking joke!

I don't expect this comment to last but then this is an "underground" outlet for Democrats! LOL!

Ray McGovern, the guy that stood up to Rumsfeld about WMD to wide acclaim. But here? No fucking way.

All the little Republicarats come out to put that son of a bitch in his place, right?

Fucking disgusting!

Republicrat Twerpland!

I never thought I'd see the day but now I know better.

I'll start my own fucking forum and I might fail and I might not have Google Adsense ads for fucking Anne Coulter all the fuck over it like this wonderful bastion for forward thinking Democrats but fuck you! I'd rather be there then here.

It's knob polishing twerps like these that block progress more than Republicans, more than anything. You'd think these butt lickers are paid to poison and excise what little bit of spine this place has.

[im1013]

39. +1,000,000,000!!!

:toast:

[vi5]

2. That's pretty cold....

Although to be fair is there any possible way she could have known this was a Vet? Not that it makes it right either way or even if he wasn't a vet. But just sayin....

[CLANG]

36. I'm sure she knows exactly who he is.

[AlbertCat]

45. I'm sure she knows exactly who he is.

Jesus!

And I'm sure you're not sure of anything.

[CLANG]

61. I'm sure of most things. Sorry to burst your hatred bubble.

[inademv]

3. She called Wikileaks a terrorist organization

so this isn't too much of a surprise.

[Wilms]

4. I think the love affair many have with her is being tested with all she's done lately.

'bout time people figure the Clintons out. The idiotic vast RW conspiracy distracted from the fact that the pair, nonetheless, are not good for our interests.

[Buzz Clik]

6. God help her if she'd been elected President. DU woud despise her.

Not because she has changed in the slightest but simply because DUers cannot accept the responsibility of being in charge. It's so much easier rebelling against authority than assuming it.

[Tunkamerica]

11. I disagree with your previous statement but agree with this one.

It is easier to speak out against than to support for a lot of us.

[BetterThanNoSN]

28. lets sing along...

Troll, Troll, Troll your boat, gently down the stream......

[AlbertCat]

42. fact that the pair, nonetheless, are not good for our interests.

Yes, they are clones of each other, identical automatons. A "pair".


And I remember being much better off under one of them. Are they only evil as a pair?

:eyes:

[Wilms]

44. I see you like to spice your denial with spin. n/t

[DURHAM D]

9. drivel

[mmonk]

12. That is a better video than the one I had at my blog. Thanks.

Switched it out.

[Little Star]

14. Name me one Dem who stops their speech because a

demonstrator is removed.

Ray was not beaten in front of her.

She quite simply did what Obama, Kerry, Kennedy and others have done when a demonstrator is removed. Why be hypocritical and act like she is the only one who continues on with their presentation?


This is the most bogus outrage I've ever seen and it's bullshit!

[jberryhill]

15. Anyone attending an event has sole veto power over the speaker

I'm sure it is in some set of rules of order.

Also, the identity, personal history, and motivation of any person acting unusually is known to the speaker and to all people responsible for the safety of that speaker.

[davidthegnome]

20. I'd really like to see

How he was being disruptive - that's not sarcasm. What exactly was he doing that they felt it necessary to remove him? Honest question.

[tropicanarose]

23. A disgruntled person is taken out by security and she is supposed to stop her speech?

I can't believe how Hillary is vilified......if she had stopped her speech she would be bashed for that too. While the concerns of that man may have been legitimate, we won't know because he didn't go about expressing them in a way and at a place that was appropriate....
Given what recently happened with Congresswoman Gifford, I would think that people would be that much more sympathetic to the need for security and keeping speeches safe. I think that the guy was acting like he was in a psychotic rage....he should have been removed from the room.

[BigD_95]

24. Give me a break!

She did what I would have done. Hell she probably has this stuff happen to her a lot.

And get over yourself. He wasnt roughed up at least in that video.

[theFrankFactor]

32. And they just keep on comin'! LOL!

A 72 year old veteran and former CIA employee stands up for what's right, no violence, no threats, and it's all about "fuck him"! I love this!

This is the future of the Democratic party!

Little DLC soldiers all in a row.

[CLANG]

37. I'm very disappointed, but not surprised, sadly.

[AlbertCat]

43. A 72 year old veteran and former CIA employee stands up for what's right

I don't know what he stood up for.

And what does his age and past employment history have to do with anything?

You're right! They DO keep coming! LOL :eyes:

[theFrankFactor]

62. Of course you don't know what he stood up for...

And neither do the rest of these dim wit Republicrats. Did you read my other comment or were some of the words too big? Hopeless!
google ray mcgovern rumsfeld

[A Simple Game]

34. She may not have even known it was happening.

I have been on a stage and it is usually hard to see into the audience because the lights are in your eyes. The only reason we heard him so well in the video is because the camera was close to him.

[ellenfl]

38. fer crying out loud. she's looking into the dark. i doubt she saw

anything more than movement. for the record, i am not a hillary fan (she's too moderate and hawkish for me), but i would bet she gets heckled all the time. i doubt that she screens her audiences or relegates people to 'free speech zones'.

ellen fl

[AlbertCat]

41. Can she even see the audience?

Y'know, she is concentrating on something else and has bright lights pointing at her. I bet she doesn't know what's going on.

But make a big deal out of it if you want.

[grahamhgreen]

46. As a professional, yes, she could easily see everything.

[grahamhgreen]

47. Stop fooling yourselves. When people show you who they are - believe them.

[silenttigersong]

49. Hillary Clintons goal

is to be President keep that in mind.Barrack Obama made a deal with her and Bill(the first Black President lol).Hillary is not the worst,yet this is great publicity for the anti-war movement.I myself wish Sec.Clinton would have stayed in her Senatorial position.I am in it to win it is not just her 2008 campaign its for the next one as well,I am not saying 2012...although ,the problem right now is this talk of President Obama being primaried.Which because of the Afghanistan war,and the continuing Bush policy's is probably what will happen.I myself voted for Pres. Obama because I was uselessly hoping that wars would be ended,if not for Rep Kucinich I would not have cast my vote for him.Sec.Clinton made a mockery of people who voted for Pres.Obama having more faith that he would wind down the war in Vietghanistan down.Mr.McGovern is being used because he dares to name Julian Assange as a hero ,and Mr.Assange caused humiliation directly to Sec.Clinton.I think Sec Clinton realizes her chances for being President are evaporating .Progressives are going to Primary Obama.

[silenttigersong]

53. tired

of political Dynasty s,Clinton and Bush's.

[JDPriestly]

50. "It certainly did not want the world to watch."

Guess what, Hillary. The world just saw you and how protestors are treated when they speak out in your presence.

[silenttigersong]

52. Yes

Sec.Clinton had a prerogative to address Mr.McGovern and ask him to be seated,she did not.It will be interesting to see how they spin this one.

[chill_wind]

54. K & R. She wasn't distracted for a millisecond.

[chill_wind]

55. kicking

[Lil Missy]

66. That's what grownups do.

[cantbeserious]

68. All Vets Understand That Once The Wars End The Warriors Are A Damned Inconvenience

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