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MiaCulpa Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 06:37 PM
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Cindy Sheehan talks to Tweety on Hardball
 
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Cindy looks great! Maybe she took a step back recently, and she seems at peace with the role she is playing to help achieve peace?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 06:39 PM
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1. Trashing Democrats and spouting inaccuracies helps her spirits?
I am afraid I don't see how any of that contributes to "peace".Whatever.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 06:44 PM
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2. She often centers her attacks on those who really do care and do try.
Just like those who advise her often do.

I have not watched the video, but I basically agree with you on this.

Target the ones who need it, and give the others room to breathe or we all lose.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 06:55 PM
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4. Good point.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 06:55 PM
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5. Booolcheeet....Cindy was heroic laying blame where it belongs.
Hundreds of people dying each day because of inaction and the funding of this totally bogus war.
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:38 AM
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51. Works for Ann Coulter.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 06:45 PM
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3. Thank You MiaCulpa!!
I wanted to see this, so thank you for posting it!

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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:00 PM
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6. Cindy speaks for me. We can't support the Dems blindly as they do not
say what we are saying everyday. Don't fool yourselves into believing that it's Dems or nothing.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #6
77. The math of a majority rules system
says that if side A is trying to get 51%, then the side B must also try to get 51%, or accept that side A will win. If the vote on the left is split, the GOP wins. It is Democrats or nothing. If you want to create an alternative, it must be an alternative that can gain 51% by the next election.

Nobody is asking you to support Democrats blindly. Don't pretend you are being persecuted. The Dems have done everything they could do. You are being asked for common sense loyalty and compromise, not blind obedience.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #77
88. dude, we know basic math.
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lefador Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:06 PM
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7. I have seen it all now....
... according to tweety, Eisenhower's farewell address warning us about the industrial-military complex was in reality a warning against Kennedy.

With these ideologues disguised as journalist no wonder we are in the pickle we are in.

As per Cindy Sheehan, god bless her... she has more spine than the whole bunch of democrats in the senate and the house. As long as Mrs. Pelosi refuses to do her job, she has my support. I put country first, politics second... but hey, that is just me.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 05:30 PM
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79. I think you are putting politics first
Since Sheehan is trying to minimize the Democratic votes, she's helping Republicans. Republicans want to prolong this war and start more wars. That's what will happen to the country.

You are withholding your support just for a tactical attempt to force those who are closest to agreeing with you into agreeing with you completely. That's politics.

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everydayis911 Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:15 PM
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8. Well
The Democrats didn't cut the funding. And they still won't hold Bush accountable for anything. Like cutting the funding is going to take guns out of soliders hands. They can give them the money to leave. Even the iraqi government wants us out. If the Democrats are doing so good then why isn't Harriet Miers either spilling her guts or behind bars. They are all bark no bite.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:22 PM
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9. Cindy speaks for me!
I'm a law school graduate, and I thought she did rather well expressing herself. I would have thrown in the 1st, 5th and 6th Amendments also, as well the 4th, and the Geneva Conventions (not in the Bill of Rights, but an integral part of our law, along with the related statutory provisions).

She made all of the points I would have wanted to make.

And, she maintained her composure and spoke well.
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:24 PM
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10. Thanks for posting
I am glad she got this air time.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:43 PM
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11. Cindy speaks for me as well!
Recommended, thank for posting this.:thumbsup:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:41 AM
Response to Reply #11
53. Yes, Cindy Sheehan speaks for me too!
May God Bless her humanitarian efforts. She is a heroine for World PEACE! :grouphug: :patriot:
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:56 PM
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12. Cindy's happy! More air time for her. Tweety certainly is covering his bases
Coulter and Cindy, neither worth watching IMHO!
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lefador Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:01 PM
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17. Indeed....
One is a soulless jackass who advocates murder and torture while wearing a whore mini dress, the other is a grieving mom who lost her son in a pointless war and who is trying to end it. Yes, indeed I can see how you could equate them both...

At the end of the day, some people were right... there is no real difference between the GOP and the Dems, and judging by some of the people who stick to the Dems right or wrong, I can see why.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:37 AM
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23. So you didn't watch Cindy? Since it's not worth it? I just wish Pelosi would honor her
oath and put impeachment back on the table.

bush has taken due process and the rule of law off the table, and Pelosi has taken impeachment and Congress' power of the purse off the table.


That isn't good for our country I think. But I guess it must be dandy for the Repo and Dem parties...

It's like a race to see who can gut our tripartite constitutional democratic republic the fastest.
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 08:11 AM
Response to Reply #12
40. What part of Cindy's message do you not agree with? The part
that Dems might be held accountable too?
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:41 AM
Response to Reply #12
54. Wow More Wisdom from Saracat!
I for one welcome you to my ever expanding ignore list. There was a time where you were just on the fence but this one, with its reverse freeptarded-backflip really clinched it for you. Congratulations!
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 08:20 PM
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13. She had me until she rallied against "the two party system."
She herself needs to stop moving the goal posts.

She'll learn why people choose the Democratic Party when she loses the election I gather?

Overall she did a fabulous job however. I'm going to give her props for what she had to say. Good job Cindy.
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Nunyabiz Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:00 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. She is correct as the so called 2 party system
is a total failure & easy to corrupt.

I agree with her 100% and she has more patriotism & ovaries than Pelosi ever will have.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. I don't by the overly simplistic blanket statements.
eom
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lefador Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:08 PM
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18. Yes, because the Dem majority has changed so many things in over six months.
I mean, the war is ending, Bush and Cheney are being held accountable, there are progressive policies being enforced, the budget is being balanced, social programs are not being cut left and right.... Oh, wait.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:21 PM
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19. Thanks for that reminder.
:hi:
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 06:19 AM
Response to Reply #18
27. A majority doesn't mean Democrats control everything
The GOP still has the presidency and the power of veto. The Democrats need 60 votes to move anything through the Senate too. Democrats don't have 60 votes.

Democrats do not have a magic wand.
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 07:58 AM
Response to Reply #27
39. Yes, they don't have a magic wand
But there have been many cases where they could have taken a stronger stand and instead backed down.

This administration should be facing impeachment hearings as we speak.
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Nunyabiz Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #39
73. Not only Impeachment hearings
but they could stop the war at anytime they wish, all they need to do is stop funding it and they don't even need to vote on anything to do that, in fact all they need to do is NOT vote..basically DO NOTHING and they cant even get that right.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 04:59 PM
Response to Reply #73
75. The funding for the war passed already
To cut it off would take new legislation that could be vetoed. I don't know how many Democrats voted for more funding. Probably it was mostly Republicans.

Anyway, Democrats can't just do nothing and stop the war. Not until the present money runs out.
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Nunyabiz Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #75
85. All they had to do BEFORE it passed
was to NOT bring the bill to the Senate in the first place by not voting on it.
They failed.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #39
76. There aren't enough votes for impeachment
Other than the funding issue, I don't know what else they could have taken a stronger stand on this session.
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Nunyabiz Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #76
84. again it doesn't matter
if there aren't enough votes for Impeaching a Treasonous War Criminal that was never elected and has committed at least 25 Impeachable offenses. The object is to DO THEIR PHUCKING DUTY and at least put these crimes on the record, it would also force these lunatic rethuglicans that are running from Bush like the plague to stand by the worst resident in American history and defend the indefensible.
Thus showing the entire country that these nuts don't give a damn about the Constitution, the country or its people, just themselves & party.
It would effectively kill the rethuglican party for decades.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 05:36 PM
Response to Reply #14
80. The 3 party system
thwarts majorities and elects pluralities. It would be possible for 34% to run everything. The GOP has 34% brainwashed.

If the whole rules could be changed to allow runoff voting or parliamentary elections like they have in Europe I'd be fine with what Cindy is saying. We have to live in the real present world though. Cindy is now working against those who are doing everything possible to end the war.
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Hyper_Eye Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 10:54 PM
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16. She is incredibly consistent n/t
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:46 PM
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20. I will not EVER say one negative word about her. Who is ANYONE to judge a mother
who has lost a child?

Certainly not me.

Redstone
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #20
81. Amen
There it is!
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drad Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:56 PM
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21. Cindy is brilliant
I'd give my $ if she ran against Pelosi
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othermeans Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:19 AM
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22. What a dumbass! Hasn't read war is a racket? What kind of journalist is he?
That book was published over 75 years ago. Smedley Butler was shit canned for speaking out against Mussolini who ran over a small child and just kept driving. He also stopped an overthrow of our government by corporate interests.

THE PLOT TO SEIZE THE WHITE HOUSE-read that you ignorant sack of shit
As far as assigning motives Tweety what are your ideas? Her ideas are closer to the truth than anything you and your colleagues cam up with
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:57 AM
Response to Reply #22
57. I hope he does read them
But, even if he does I have little hope that it will have much affect on him.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 05:10 AM
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24. Ms. Sheehan is incredibly naive....
if she thinks;

1. she's going to run against and defeat Ms. Pelosi.

2. IF, by some miraculous chance she DID defeat Ms. Pelosi, her mere presence in Congress would be the deciding factor in holding George Bush accountable for this war. Everything would change if the sainted CINDY sits in Congress. :eyes:

3. that there's no difference between Democrats and Republicans, in fact Democrats STARTED every war (save the Bush wars) in American history.

4. that Democrats aren't trying in other ways to end George Bush's war because they know the impeachment route is a total non-starter.

5. that the Democrats are the party of SLAVERY. :grr:

...and a host of other naive, Quixotic babble that pours from her mouth like so much molten lava from an active volcano.

It HAS become all about Cindy. She HAS become the "attention whore" others have accused her of being. She has no idea what it takes to get the wheels of Congress moving.

I, too, am not at all happy with the way things are going to end this war. But I'm Cindy Sheehan IS NOT the answer to that problem. The obstructionist Republicans would chew her up, spit her out, and make her look a babbling, stammering fool (she's well on her way already).

Yes, I'm well aware of the sacrifices Ms. Sheehan has endured the past few years and she is (was) a woman to be admired for her courage, bravery and determination. But her methods have become unsound. She's attacking the very people who gave her the platform from which she speaks.

To the Cindy worshipers: start your own "Cindy Underground" and leave Democratic Underground to those who support and work for DEMOCRATS, not some attention hungry, naive dilettante who's ego has been overinflated by equally naive people like YOU.

Cindy Sheehan DOES NOT speak for me or DEMOCRATS! Cindy Sheehan speaks for Cindy Sheehan.

I'm sick and tired of Sheehan (and her naive worshipers) tearing down Ms. Pelosi, who has forgotten more about the political process than Sheehan could ever hope to know. Democrats are trying everything within their power (REASONABLE power, not pie in the sky power) to end George Bush's war. If you don't believe that then LEAVE the Democratic party behind and start the Sheehan party. See you at the ballot box.

The Democrats have been in the majority (in the loosest definition of the word) for less than 7 months. Yet Ms. Sheehan and her worshipers want the war to end NOW or they'll hold their collective breaths until they turn blue. GROW UP! We'd all like for the war to end NOW, but the reality of the situation is that it's going to take time. Those willing to abandon the Democrats for a simplistic , attention groveling dilettante like Ms. Sheehan should not only be ashamed of themselves but should spew their hatred for our Democratic leaders somewhere else.

I AM A DEMOCRAT, and being so will support out Democratic leaders and their well measured fight against the criminal Bush regime. I'm also intelligent enough to know that this will take TIME and knee-jerk reactionism is not, nor will ever be, part of that process.

Flame on, oh Cindy worshipers. :)

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lazer47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 06:02 AM
Response to Reply #24
26. I agree with you, I could not have said it better,, loosing her
son was tragic, may he rest in peace,,,, Loosing her way is even more tragic, and I do hope she finds peace
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 06:29 AM
Response to Reply #24
28. She has a right as a Citizen to run for Political Office. Pelosi isn't entitled
to her seat. She has to be elected and it's up to citizens to get out there and start running for political office. How else can our Democracy be kept fresh? It will remain as stale and lobbyist run as today unless people keep challenging policies they disagree with.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 06:37 AM
Response to Reply #28
31. Sheehan isn't (or won't be) running as a Democrat.
As such, she should not be allowed the attention she gets at DU. She is running against a sitting Democrat. I agree that Sheehan is perfectly entitled to run against Ms. Pelosi. But her campaign against a Democrat IS NOT entitled to be promoted at Democratic Underground. Take it elsewhere.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 06:57 AM
Response to Reply #31
34. Why don't you apply to be a Moderater, since you have an interest in policing this Board.
:shrug:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 07:24 AM
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37. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:28 AM
Response to Reply #31
48. Show me where anyone on this thread has promoted her campaign
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:14 AM
Response to Reply #48
60. Come now.....
DU is atwitter with "Cindy for Congress", "Cindy speaks for me", "I'd support her", "Pelosi has to go"....ad nauseum. I wager you've read at least a dozen or more posts saying the same.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:43 AM
Response to Reply #60
61. Then either apply for a moderator position or alert on these posts
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 10:44 AM by proud2Blib
I think it's possible to support Cindy and HER WORK without betraying the Democratic party. I am a proud Democratic precinct captain and the party hasn't kicked me out yet because I support Cindy Sheehan.

Oh I also haven't seen anyone here say "Cindy for Congress". Kindly post a link to that comment and I will alert on it myself. That would violate DU rules. The other comments you quote do not.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:57 AM
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62. Fair enough...
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21. Cindy is brilliant

I'd give my $ if she ran against Pelosi

That was from this current thread. There are others from other threads as well. Need I post them all?

I refuse to continue this argument with the Sheehan worshipers. Do what you will. I find the elevation of anyone to "hero" or "savior" status revolting. Here's my prediction: Ms. Sheehan will become a sad caricature of the once heeded and admired mother who lost her son to this terrible war. Her actions will relegate her to the dustbin of history: not as a well intended mother suffering the grief of losing her son, but as pawn in a silly, egotistical game of one-up-man-ship that runs contrary to the very cause she's attempting to accomplish.

Seeya!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #62
64. Actually you need to alert on them
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Pyrzqxgl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #28
67. Pelosi has so much more political experience than Sheehan
that a race between them would be a joke. It seems to me that this threatened race by Cindy
is the result of some very bad advice which is being fanned by those who want both of them
out of office. Cindy can't win this race but she could cause Nancy to lose to a Republican.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 06:35 AM
Response to Reply #24
30. You don't speak for all of DU...and your comments are derogatory to many here who make up
the Democratic Underground. You set your self up as the authority on what YOU think your fellow Democrats SHOULD THINK when you make a comment like this:

To the Cindy worshipers: start your own "Cindy Underground" and leave Democratic Underground to those who support and work for DEMOCRATS, not some attention hungry, naive dilettante who's ego has been overinflated by equally naive people like YOU.

You aren't the DECIDER, here.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 06:49 AM
Response to Reply #30
32. And YOU aren't a Democrat.
If you're supporting the candidacy of an Independent over that of a sitting Democrat that means you have no dog in the Democratic Hunt.

I'm not setting myself up as anything, that's your interpretation (and an erroneous one, I may add).

Of course I don't speak for all here at DU. That's a ridiculous assumption upon your part, just like if I said YOU spoke for all DUers because you adore Ms. Sheehan.

I'm as entitled to my opinion as anyone else at DEMOCRATIC Underground. If you're promoting the defeat of a sitting Democrat by an Independent then YOU are the one that's in the wrong place, not me. I'm a proud Democrat and am willing to allow our duly elected Democratic representatives the chance to use their superior knowledge of the political process to end Bush's war. I WILL NOT support an Independent dilettante's egotistical foray into the political process. Neither should you. IF you're a Democrat.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 06:54 AM
Response to Reply #32
33. I quoted you "exactly" in my post. Maybe you don't read what you write.
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 06:55 AM by KoKo01
and now you go further and accuse me of not being a Democrat. I suppose you will deny that, too...but it's in your subject line for all to see. :D
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 07:22 AM
Response to Reply #33
36. And I stick by my post.....
I'm not quite sure what your intention is saying,""I quoted you "exactly" in my post". What the hell does that mean? If you're proposing the unseating a a sitting Democrat by an Independent then you ARE NO DEMOCRAT!

Granted, Sheehan has every right to run; as an Independent, a Democrat, a Whig....., whatever, but if she chooses to run as an Independent then she should get ZERO support from DEMOCRATIC Underground. I don't know how much plainer I can explain that point. Either you can't see the distinction there or you're unwilling to. :shrug:
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Pyrzqxgl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #33
68. If you are supporting an Independent candidate over a Democrat,
THEN YOU ARE NOT A DEMOCRAT!
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 07:47 AM
Response to Reply #32
38. Since when does being a Democrat mean you blindly follow
the party line? That's how Republicans operate - it's conform or you're out.

In the Democratic Party we debate issues and are not afraid to criticize Democratic leaders when we believe they are wrong. This is what makes the Democratic Party democratic as opposed to the Republican Party, which borders on fascism.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:57 AM
Response to Reply #38
58. Sheehan is NOT a Democrat.
Of she were I would give her every courtesy afforded other Democrats. She is an INDEPENDENT and her Quixotic quest to unseat a sitting Democrat is contrary to the Democratic cause. Why is this so difficult for Sheehan worshipers to understand?
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 11:05 AM
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63. I'm not talking about Cindy Sheehan. I'm talking about
those of us on DU who are Democrats who see her as a lone voice speaking truth to power.

It's amazing to me that someone on the national stage who is standing up for the principles that are argued for on DU is attacked.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:25 AM
Response to Reply #32
47. I am a Democrat and I support Cindy because her feet are on the ground
and she is holding our elected reps accountable - ALL of them. Our elected Dem reps had their chance to end the war. Pelosi didn't even include the war on her first 100 hour agenda!

Since Cindy has not yet declared her candidacy, no one here has promoted her candidacy. Those of us who still support Cindy and her work are putting country over party. That is not against DU rules.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 10:04 AM
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Nunyabiz Donating Member (504 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #32
86. You are entitled to be WRONG which you are
Sometimes being AMERICAN supercedes party loyalty....most democrats know this however Rethuglicans don't have a clue and apparently neither do you.
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:38 AM
Response to Reply #30
50. You don't speak for all of DU.
And this ISN'T a Cindy Sheehan fan club. If you want a board that only allows "praise Cindy" threads, you should start your own.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:17 AM
Response to Reply #24
46. She has a right to run for office, so leave her alone.
I'm not a Cindy Sheehan fan, but I am a fan of the constitution and our representative democracy. Let her run and let her speak. Give people a choice.

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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:41 AM
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52. No one is denying her right to run
What they are (rightfully) pointing out is that if she is running as an independent against a Democratic Party member, then the DU isn't the place to be talking up or supporting this drama queen.

As far as I...and many others, apparently...are concerned, she just Liebermanned herself into the doghouse.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 06:10 PM
Response to Reply #52
82. Is this democratic Underground or Democratic Underground?
I've always wondered about that.

As far as I'm concerned, this is a place for Democrats, Liberals, Progressives, and Leftists of all kinds not just DEMOCRATS.

I'm not a Democrat in the partisan sense. I hate party politics. Should I go somewhere else?

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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 09:31 AM
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89. Perhaps, but that's upto you
I think it comes down to a judgment call. If Ned Lamont has lost the primary and chose to run as an independent, then he may have deserved DU's support over Lieberman, as Lieberman has so thoroughly sold out on the party. Same if an independent liberal had run against Zell Miller, another turncoat.

I'm not going to pretend to be 100% happy with Nancy Pelosi's leadership so far, but she is certainly no betrayer of the party, nor of the causes that the party stands for. Sheehan on the other hand has gone on the offensive tirade because the Party is not taking the exacting direction that she demands, and taken to regurgitating so many lies and half-truths that she is simply losing what little credibility she had left.

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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #89
90. Fair enough, and thanks for the reply. I just always like to err on the side of free speech
I love the Constitution. It protects us all.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #24
70. No flames here
Best post in thread, you said exactly what I think of her better than I could!
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tinfoil tiaras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #24
71. I would have to agree with your post.
eom.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 05:42 AM
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25. If she couldn't run in 2006
Then I see this as nothing but a publicity stunt, and frankly neither her or Nancy Pelosi would get my support at this point. She is simply now part of the same political games and the BS corporate media that exploits it.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 06:31 AM
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29. Thanks for the Link. I heard her live and thought she was on point.
Tweety showed his bias at the end where he cut her off sneering about her reading "War is a Racket" after saying earlier he agreed with her.

Anyway, it was great to hear her!
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Pierzin Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 07:16 AM
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35. I listen to her on Randi Rhodes show, thanks Cindy!!
Thank you for the link.
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rabies1 Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 08:24 AM
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41. Trying, for a change, to clean up this mess America has become.
I don't think Cindy is really trying to run I think she's trying to pressure Pelosi. If Pelosi starts impeachment proceedings she wont run. Tell me this though - Would having Cindy or Nancy as president be worse than the Bush/Cheney deal we've got going now? Come the 08 election, neither will probably run anyway. We've dealt with Ford stepping in for Nixon in the past. This is a long awaited gutsy step to turning this country around. I'm sure other countries are taking notice that we are doing something to stop this nutcase regime.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:32 AM
Response to Reply #41
49. Bingo!!
We have a winner ladies and gentlemen!
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johncoby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 08:59 AM
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42. She started great. Ended delusional.
As an anti war advocate, she is great.

As an elected official wannabe she sucks.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:01 AM
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43. " Democrats ARE the party of slavery" ?
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 09:10 AM by Kajsa
Using the present tense 'are' instead of 'were'( past tense)
is fuc*ing inexcusable!

I knew several women who lost sons in Vietnam.
I can only imagine the pain and suffering they
went through. My brother also went to Vietnam
but fortunately, made it home alive.

We were all opposed to the war and worked to end it and bring
our troops home. History does repeat itself.

No one alienated the base of our support- the Democratic
Party. No one made statements that Dems. were the party
of slavery!

As long as she's trashing Dems. with some of her statements
being pure BS, ( we did NOT start the wars she claims we did)
I can't support her.
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:13 AM
Response to Original message
44. Cindy speaks for me as well
Go Cindy !:woohoo:
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:15 AM
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45. I'm going to give them both a thumb's up on that exchange.
Chris was being a little purposefully obtuse, but overall he seemed decent and Cindy was very pleasant.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:52 AM
Response to Reply #45
55. Wake up to THE FACT that Chris Mathews is *a tool* of the D.C. Political Elites.
Tweety's role for PsyOps Pentagon and The Unitary Executive Branch (which he plays well) is to keep us "little people" within the chattering classes confused and at each other's throats.

IMO Chris Mathews and his ilk in the connected political journalistic elites are just as disgusting and borderline traitorous as our budding rulers within The Unitary Executive Branch. If we don't impeach THIS president, we will be ruled by THUG royalty (Democratic and Republican) who can enjoy being consistently propped-up by pseudo-journalist scumbags such as Chris Mathews. :puke: :grr: :thumbsdown:
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #55
83. ermmm.... not sure how to respond to that...
I'm not in the mood to be upset today... the clip just didn't seem that evil to me.
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Vilis Veritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 09:57 AM
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56. Anyone who prompts Tweety and the American Viewing public
to read Smedley Butler is doing a great service to our nation.

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes." Smedley Butler, War is a Racket.

http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

Regardless of the how or why she got airtime...she did a service to all Americans. Peace is about people. We the People.

Peace.
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Mrspeeker Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:31 PM
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65. Cindy speaks for me
great speech!
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 12:31 PM
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66. just a minor point: cindy would not be speaker of the house. it doesn't
automatically come to whoever wins in pelosi's district.

melissa etheridge wrote about her in a new song that hasn't been released yet. randi played it for cindy on her birthday



IMAGINE THAT

A mother was grieving her loss
Her soldier the ultimate cost
She went to the man
Who’s been told that he’s a king
Waited outside of his compound
To ask him a few things
She said
“For what noble cause did my son have to die
Where are their weapons
Why did you have to lie”
Imagine that

A lieutenant in the army
In his heart and his soul he believes
In the land of the free and the home of the brave
Now he’s standing on trial
For he will not behave as they wish
He said
“I believe the constitution
To defend it and uphold
I will not fight your war for profit
No sir I will not go”
Imagine that

A scientist and his machine
The smallest of life he has seen
Inside matter inside atoms
As far as you can go
He saw the strings of life that vibrate
With the universal flow
He said
“I have seen the spirit
And all its creation
It’s in each and every thought
And all our intentions”
Imagine that


http://www.therandirhodesshow.com/live/node/7244
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #66
78. Good on Melissa Etheridge..I
hope that gets a lot of air play~!
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va4wilderness Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 01:02 PM
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69. Chris Mathews thinks he's so smart,
but he's just stumbling over his own poor, canned MSM logic.

GREAT INTERVIEW!
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seeker4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 03:03 PM
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72. THE MONEY GOES TO CHENEY'S CRONIES!
Edited on Wed Jul-18-07 03:07 PM by seeker4ever
AND REPUBLICAN INVESTORS!

Reason for the war? Not only oil!

Why does no one mention the fact that of the billions of dollars funneled in to this war, the lions share goes to our governments corporate owners? They are bilking the United States and bankrupting us to fill their corporate pockets!

Think about it... where does the money go?

Finally someone says it! Fucking' A! Tweety sounds so incredulous. Idiot.
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19jet54 Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 04:54 PM
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74. Opium
Now we know where all that Afghanistan Opium goes, Cindy & friends have been smoking it, if they think she can unseat Nancy Pelosi?

But I agree with her on the "War Machine" motives of power & money driving the Iraq occupation, and that Bush/Cheney should be impeached!
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-18-07 07:50 PM
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87. So..... WHY is Cindy Sheehan painted as 'the crazy one' again?
'Cause everything she says seems 100% on the money, to me.
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