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Tim4319 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 09:41 AM
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Interesting tidbits about Laura (Welch) Bush's vehicular homicide!
**Tommy Frank and Laura (Welch) Bush went to high school together!**

I was reading up on the 1963 killing of Laura's boyfriend when I stumbled across a few facts that shocked me. Some of you may have already known this, but this is news to me.

<<snip>>
Laura had killed the most popular boy at school, more popular than Tommy Frank, also a student there, who later would become an Army general and lead US forces in the invasion of Iraq. She stayed home until about Christmas.

What a tangled web we weeve....
<<snip>>
Laura Bush's mother has expressed thankfulness that it was *not her daughter that was killed*, since the Welches only had one child. This reminds of George Bush's attitude toward Cindy Sheehan (mother of Spc. Casey Sheehan, USA, killed in action in Iraq): "It's not mah son!"


This is kind of puzzling to me!
<<snip>>
The police report noted that Laura committed two violations of traffic laws that contributed to the wreck: "Disregard stop sign or signal" and "(illegible)"

In the box labeled "Is investigation complete?", the police officer checked "No."

The officer went through all the proper motions: measured the skid marks, diagramed the wreck, went to the hospital to check on the dead (Michael) and others (Laura and Judy). He took statements from the survivors and photos of the wreckage. The next day, he filed his report.

He did not issue a citation to Laura Welch!!!! The investigation apparently was never completed. No grand jury was convened.


And finally: LAURA'S VERY OWN COVERUP
<<snip>>
Media reports have appeared in "Reader's Digest" and other places with incorrect facts that would seem to be ameliorating circumstances. For example: Michael Douglas was driving an open Jeep, from which he could easily be thrown. The wreck happened right after a thunderstorm, which would imply that the pavement was wet and slick.

The fact is, Michael was driving a closed sedan that was very small and no match for Laura's much larger car. The pavement was dry, as the officer checked the box on the police report form. Laura never bothered to correct these and other misstatements, including the one that she was not Michael's girlfriend. She will not acknowledge the accident or even her relationship with the victim even to this day.

The true facts came out when the police report was released in 2000, 37 years after the fact, also after the Midland city attorney refused to release the report. The Texas attorney-general compelled the release of the report after a newspaper in another Texas town, Odessa, filed a Freedom of Information Act request.


https://sf.indymedia.org/news/2005/09/1719472.php
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 09:42 AM
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1. Laura Bush kicked my dog
:eyes:
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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 10:55 AM
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31. Did he have it coming?



Heh!
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 09:50 AM
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2. Too bad
Tommy Franks wasn't in that car instead of the boy that died. I can't help it, it's how I feel. Maybe someone oelse would have had that General's job and would have stood up to W and Rumsferatu.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 09:52 AM
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3. They don't let you into The Family unless you've killed someone
That's the way the Mafia works.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 09:53 AM
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4. This is a cheap shot, what does this have to do with now
She was a kid and she killed someone by speeding and running a stop sign. I am thankful that I've never killed anyone by doing those things as an inexperienced driver.

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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 09:58 AM
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8. How many years will they take cheap shots at Ted Kennedy?
I say ram it down their throats forever.
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Tim4319 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 10:00 AM
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9. Ain't that the truth!
Ted Kennedy will never live that down.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 10:01 AM
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10. I know, I'm not trying to piss anyone off here
but they are just as wrong. Sorry, it's the way I feel about it that's all.
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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 11:01 AM
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32. Its her "holier than thou" attitude that ticks people off and want to take
her down a peg. Little "Miss Perfect in Every Way" and she's not nearly as perfect as she tries to pretend she is - people enjoy deflating the pretensions of the "high and mighty."
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 06:52 PM
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58. I agree......
This just brings us down to their level. I won't go there.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 09:45 PM
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63. It's never the crime that is in question
It's the coverup as evidenced by (lack) of follow through by the police department.
If it wasn't a big deal, then why did she (along with her husband) have her Texas Driver's License records expunged and have new numbers issued?
I used to agree with you about getting to their level. But the time to play nicey-nice is over.
Michael Douglas is no less dead than Mary Jo Kopechne, yet anytime Ted Kennedy says ANYTHING those freaks don't like--they drag her body around in effigy.
It's time to play tit-for-tat. If that is the only thing that will shut them up--then that is how we must play. When they see that everytime Kopechne is brought up--then Douglas will be brought up....at some point it will stop.


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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 10:34 AM
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26. BINGO! To this day
Edited on Fri Apr-21-06 10:35 AM by Mad_Dem_X
repukes are making jokes about Ted. Let them have a taste of their own medicine, any way we can!

Edit for spelling
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 10:29 AM
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22. "cheap shot"?? you can't be serious
nt
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 10:43 AM
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29. Why is it so hard to see that what angers you is
how unfair they are and yet you think it's OK to do the same?

Pay-back is for the immature and the movies. In the end you can't hurt someone else without getting hurt yourself.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 06:16 PM
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53. In a fair and honest world, you're right, that's the way it should be.
Unfortunately, the world we live in is neither fair or honest! And I disagree with you on the pay back is immature. Think back a little bit to the Swift boaters and what they did to Kerry. I suspect he said the same thing as you're saying, and what happened? No pay back and he lost!

I don't believe in pay back in every stuation, but some earn it!
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #53
59. BS....`
Kerry lost that round because he didn't respond quickly enough and forcefully enough.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 06:58 PM
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60. And you don't catagorize that as lack of a pay back?
Of course! He should have come out swinging! But in Swinging, there sure could have been a lot of dirt on his detractors, don't ya think?
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #59
66. Kerry lost because the machines counted the votes


Kerry won

so did Gore
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #53
67. I wonder at the terminology here, Kerry should have DEFENDED
himself. I wrote to him daily asking him to say something. I was involved in another forum at the time and the freeps were coming out of the wood work over the swift boat liars. I told him that we couldn't keep defending him alone and that if he wouldn't stand up for himself how could he expect us to keep at it every day.

As far as laura I just think this was too long ago. I know others have differing opinions but I can't attack her, I just can't at least not over that. :)
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 10:52 AM
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30. It's not the accident --
it's the coverup and the implication, by coverup, of not taking responsibility for the accident.

Isn't that one of the classic arguments for the death penalty in murder cases, that the killer 'shows no acceptance of responsibilty or regret'?
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 03:11 PM
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45. personally, the different justice ethic works for the rich white folks
down in texas. would she be even up for parole yet if she was brown or black? they are such a 'family values-kick others in the teeth' bullshitters that this is relevent.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 06:09 PM
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50. Thanks. She's an accidental homocider. Her husband is the murderer
Mrs Bush's only error was running down her lover too early in life.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 06:21 PM
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55. Homidecider?
:think:
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 06:47 PM
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57. Someone around here
Edited on Fri Apr-21-06 06:48 PM by bloom
had a similar accident and got 4 years in jail. Though he was hispanic. Might not have been a citizen. Certainly didn't have any clout.


(And that is without alcohol being involved).
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 09:53 AM
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5. Well, if Laura were black or Hispanic ...
... she might still be in prison. :eyes:
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 09:55 AM
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6. Q: Is there a statute of limitations on Vehicular Homicide in Texas?



I'll bet there was one written into the books after her devious ol' man became Texas governor.




K&R



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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 09:57 AM
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7. Let it go, it was over 40 years ago and she was a kid
I take no pleasure in watching Laura or the twins get raked over the coals. They are not the President.
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Tim4319 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 10:07 AM
Response to Reply #7
13. Well they should stop portraying themselves with this "holier than thou"
attitude!
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Syncronaut Seven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 10:17 AM
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15. It's highly relevant! It's how they hold her to her obligations
Laura is owned, it's a national security threat. Like being a closeted, terrified elected official. they have the goods on Laura and she knows it well.

There is no statute of limitations for homicide.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 10:19 AM
Response to Reply #7
16. Neither were Hillary or Chelsea
But you're right, keep the focus on the true cause of all this misery and death.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 01:02 PM
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68. Not to mention Ted Kennedy & Bob Byrd
Republicans love to tar us with one word or one phrase. Hillary is "Hitlery"... Kennedy, it's "Chappaquiddick", with Byrd, it's "KKK"

While it may be simple, it's effective.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #7
23. how ridiculous to try and separate Laura from the bushmilhousegang
nt

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hexola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #7
35. Uh...folks...they're dead...stop kicking the body...
Im ready for some solutions to todays problems...

BushCo is beaten...we need to get ready to lead.

This aint it...
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Late Slip Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 04:21 PM
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48. I'm with you - it's something that could have happened to anyone
when they were just learning to drive. And just because the repugs like to bring up Ted Kennedy/Chappaquidick (sp?) doesn't mean we have to stoop. It was a terrible tragedgy for both families. Let it go.
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #7
54. No . . . . this cannot be ignored . . . if she were black she'd still be
in jail -- or worse.

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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 10:01 AM
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11. That's all true, but she keeps house far better than Hillary. So there.
:spank:
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 10:33 AM
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25. Hillary dresses better - Laura looked like the easter bunny yesterday

greeting Hu. all she needed was bunny ears
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #25
27. I don't know about that. They both dress poorly. NT
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 10:05 AM
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12. I always bring this up to the Ted Kennedy driver people
I see this crime as no better than what Ted Kennedy was accused of. Since the liberal haters still like to bring this up, we should always bring this up at the same time.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 10:23 AM
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17. This proves Democrats are civil.
And it also proves that human beings have their Chappaquiddicks. But what we don't have are the Bush coverups. Every damning or illegal thing that has ever happend to a Bush was magically vaporized. The Bush threat is big.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 10:29 AM
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20. But this happened years before she even knew him. And Chappaquiddick
happened when Kennedy was a senator and 36 years old. So there are some very big differences. But I agree, everyone can have a Chappaquiddick.
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jeanarrett Donating Member (813 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #17
37. Yeah, your right, Kennedy never tried to cover anything
up about Chappaquiddick. :eyes:
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #37
56. Oh crap. Am I forgetting something?
I seem to vaguely remember leaving the scene. But I don't think it was as coordinated as every single Bush fuck up.

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jeanarrett Donating Member (813 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #56
61. Never said it was.
But he changed his story several times. BTW I love Ted Kennedy and I believe in good people making mistakes. I would never want to be born into such a politically situated family (as he was)that your every move was circumspect. Hindsight is 20/20 and I think that Ted has totally made his amends. Peace. I was just trying to bring balance, because just because you and I are on the right side (and we are) does not mean that we don't always fuck up or make the wrong decisions sometimes. We do. And the acknowledgment of that is what makes us superior to them (GOP).
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DelawareValleyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 10:25 AM
Response to Reply #12
19. Yep
I always throw in Bill Janklow for good measure.
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 01:12 PM
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39. Janklow and Kennedy were drunk and adults
Laura was a kid, and likely not intoxicated.

We are better than this, people.

I'd prefer to pile on people like Thomas Druce and other adult Republicans who screw up - there are PLENTY of them to go around.

Picking on a teenaged Laura Bush just makes us look small - accidents happen - look at Adlai Stevenson.
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DelawareValleyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. Actually, Janklow wasn't drunk
and I don't see what difference the age makes. If you're old enough to enjoy the privilege of driving, you're old enough to accept responsibility for your actions while doing so. Laura will get her pass when the freeps get over Teddy.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 01:44 PM
Response to Reply #40
41. Not excusing anyone, but you don't think there's a difference between
just turning 17 and age 36?
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DelawareValleyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 01:47 PM
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42. Sure there's a difference
Edited on Fri Apr-21-06 01:50 PM by DelawareValleyDem
but, like you said, it's not an excuse. She could easily have faced prosecution for what happened, and got a free pass.


On edit: Just want to clarify further. There are obvious physical and emotional differences between the two ages, but to say the age of the driver causing the accident changes things I don't accept.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 01:50 PM
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43. In many states, there are different laws for minors. NT
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DelawareValleyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #43
44. I doubt if any state says that just because you're a minor
when you violate two traffic laws and cause a fatal accident, you won't face some penalty.
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Tim4319 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #44
46. I thought 17 years of age was a borderline age?
At that age, I thought there could be an opportunity for being tried as an adult.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 03:50 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. Usually only for a murder charge. NT
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #42
49. I disagree
I expect a lot more mature behavior from a sitting US Senator than from a high school junior (senior?). Maybe that's just me.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 09:37 AM
Response to Reply #41
64. Laura killed a complete innocent
Ted's passenger should have known he was impared.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-22-06 09:54 AM
Response to Reply #64
65. So you're saying the victim is at fault for getting in the car?
That's grasping at straws.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-23-06 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #65
69. If she knew he was drunk or impared YES she is partly to blame
That's not grasping at straws, that is being honest and realistic. You never refused to get in the car with someone you felt was not capable of driving?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 10:14 AM
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14. Texas law required alcohol test if death - but no test for Laura - why?
:toast:

Did she invoke the Cheney clause on waiting 18 hours or just say no to alcohol testing?
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Syncronaut Seven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 10:29 AM
Response to Reply #14
21. Because she was widely recognized as the best baker in town?
A girl with a promising future, why mess that up? Lets not bicker and argue about who killed who, the GOP has gained a daughter, in a very real, and legally binding sense.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #21
24. Of course back then she was a Democrat and even supported
Eugene McCarthy in 1968.
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Syncronaut Seven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 10:40 AM
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28. No shit?
Parents too? Laura (the kid) didn't weasel out of this one by herself.

I'd only ask that she be treated the same as any Texan, black, white, hispanic and you know, not connected.

Time to convene a grand jury? I get the sneaking suspiscion I'd be hung out to dry in the same situation.

No BAC test, that meets the test of criminal stupidity and begs the question, who paid who to disregard well established procedure?
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hexola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #14
36. Special secret ESP magic power...
Of course they knew...that she would be first lady one day and gave her a break...everything is controlled...nothing is real...
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DelawareValleyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 10:24 AM
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18. Here's a link to the police report from Wiki
Tough to read but you can get some details. Originals should be available from Midland PD.

http://tinyurl.com/b8adq
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 11:06 AM
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33. why does it take a FOIA request to get a police report--that is strange in
and of itself.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 11:09 AM
Response to Reply #33
34. This happened when she was a minor — are there special rules for that? NT
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 11:47 AM
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38. she's as much a sociapath as king george
how does one violate traffic laws, resulting in an accident that kills someone and not even get cited?

how does that happen, even in an uncivilized place like Texas?
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #38
51. Small town America 50 years ago
I'm sure the cop on the scene just wanted to get everyone still alive to the hospital to get checked out.

It looks like they decided it was kids having an accident and that was the end of it.

I don't know how the police worked in Midland 50 years ago. It was a dusty little oil town back then.

The Welch family was not an important family like the Midkiffs or Scharbauers or Bushes. Certainly not politically important anyway.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 06:12 PM
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52. Tommy Franks was two or three years ahead of Laura
Edited on Fri Apr-21-06 06:15 PM by 0007
at MIdland High School.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 09:14 PM
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62. Tommy and Laura both went to
Robert E Lee High School in Midland I think. Today there two public high schols in Midland, Midland High, and Lee High. The Midland Bulldogs and Lee Rebels. The Rebels were the big rivals to Permian High in the movie Friday Night Lights.
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