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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 12:49 AM
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An incredibly intelligent, uninterrupted discussion w/Bill Moyers -- PBS
Moyers is hosting while Charlie Rose recuperates.



The Charlie Rose Show
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Monday, April 3, 2006 at 11:00 p.m. ET. (Topics subject to change.)
Please go to http://www.charlierose.com/ for an updated show schedule

- Tonight's Show


Guest Host:
BILL MOYERS, PBS Journalist

DANIEL C. DENNETT
Philosopher
Author, "Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon"

I just watched the program. WOW!

Here's Amazon's book review link:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/067003472X/qid=1144129321/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/002-2687503-3553663?s=books&v=glance&n=283155



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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 01:05 AM
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1. Check this book review , Then tune in. -- Leftcoast alert!
233 of 259 people found the following review helpful:

Subject Religion to Scientific Scrutiny, February 7, 2006

Reviewer: Synaptic mogul (Waco, Texas) - See all my reviews
Religion is commonly believed to be a stablizing influence in any society - but is it really? "Why not subject it to scientific scrutiny?" asks Daniel Dennett, director of the Center for Cognitive Studies at Tufts University. "Maybe it is just another bad habit." History has shown that science - despite wrong turns, egos, politics, jealousy, ambition - has a consistent record of being more correct than any other method of inquiry. Just ask anyone who bets their life on science every time they board a commercial airliner. Unique to religion, a theology's taboo against self-examination is brilliant. Guaranteed to cause controversy, Dennett addresses this issue and presents a plan.

Dennett surveys various theories of religion:

From Scott Atran - Religion is (1) a community's costly and hard-to-fake commitment (2) to a counterfactual and counterintuitive world of supernatural agent(s) (3) who master peoples' existential anxieties, such as death and deception (4) leading to ritualistic and rhythmic co-ordination of 1, 2, and 3; such as communion. This tendency to invent a supernatural agency is an evolutionary by-product - which involves exaggerated use of everyday cognitive processes - to produce unreal worlds that easily attract attention, are readily memorable, and are subject to cultural transmission, selection, and survival. Add a few hopeful solutions to the problems involving the tragedies of life, and you get religion.

From Pascal Boyer - Every religion has these common features:
(1) A supernatural agent who takes a specific ontologic form (animal, tree, human, etc.)
(2) There is something memorably different about this agent (the animal talks, the tree records conversation, the human is born of a virgin) which is an ontologic violation.
(3) This agent knows strategic information and can use it for or against you.

Fun to read and not as dense as his acclaimed "Darwin's Dangerous Idea," Dennett has addressed this book to the believer, who knows in his heart he is on the right path. "If you are one of these, here is what I hope will be a sobering reflection: have you considered that you are perhaps being irresponsible?...If it is fundamentally benign, as many of its devotees insist, it should emerge just fine; suspicions will be put to rest and we can then concentrate on the few peripheral pathologies that religions, like every other natural phenomemon, fall prey to."

Dennett clearly thinks God is made in man's image, as opposed to man's being a product of God's creation. In his view, the costs and benefits of religion need to be assayed with the scrupulous objectivity of science, and he outlines a plan to do just that.

I couldn't agree more.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 01:17 AM
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2. Thanks for the headsup.
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 01:19 AM
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3. I saw part of this also. . .and I was way impressed with this man.
Obviously, they won't be putting him on any of the network "talk" shows because he could easily shut down most of the wingnut Right. But his views sound very interesting. . .
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 03:13 AM
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6. Dennett was featured on C-span's Book Notes last week.
He's disarmingly impressive...gotta get his latest book.
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egadsbrain Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 01:35 AM
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4. getting Mr. Dennett's book this week
It was an excellent discussion, but then I love Bill Moyers. He could be talking to a brick wall and I'd listen in! This "chat show" seemed so unreal... intelligent, rational, no talking points. I don't dislike Charlie Rose and wish him well, but Mr. Moyers can fill in indefinitely!
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anitar1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 03:19 AM
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7. I agree with you! Moyers is the best IMHO.
Recently started viewing the "Power of Myth" interviews Moyers did with Joseph Campbell. Haven't seen them for years, but they are even more interesting now.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 03:10 AM
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5. Oops...I missed your post before starting a separate thread.
Edited on Tue Apr-04-06 03:12 AM by stopbush
At one point, Moyers mispoke, citing the composer of "On The Transmigration of Souls" as John Cage. rather
than John Adams. Cage died in 1992.
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