Lou Dobbs sucks

[High Plains]

I really don't understand why people at DU like him. He is a fear-mongerer and an outrage-fanner. He appeals to American nativism and xenophobia. On Lou's program today

--those evil illegal immigrants waving the Mexican flag.

--those evil illegal immigrants influencing the shaping of congressional districts

--those good citizen Minutemen doing good work to protect our border security

--we don't have any border security

--and just for good measure, the threat from Hugo Chavez

Just a typical Dobbs program. If you think Dobbs is pro-worker, ask yourself when was the last time he covered a labor issue that didn't have something to do with nationalism.

[graywarrior]

I don't like him.

I don't watch him.

[mwb970]

1. Well, he is pretty hard on the chimp. (n/t)

[radio4progressives]

76. The enemy of our enemy is NOT our friend....

just because he gives us red meat bashing of dubya, does not mean we should be praising him.

he's a hard right wing, racist, xenophobe that's a fact.

and he didn't give a shit about the working people until recently - and only from the point of view of the "middle class" as he defines it.

It's Labor and the WORKING CLASS that needs support, and that means covering Labor issues and Union NEWS!

[Just Me]

95. So, his bashing corporacrats and advocacy for the middle class,...

,...have completely missed your eyes and ears? Labor and the working class ARE the middle class. He's covered the abuses of corporacrats (exploiting the illegal immigrants, outsourcing jobs, failure to actually invest in securing our country, allowing a foreign nation to "guard" our ports, etc. etc. etc.).

I believe he is more akin to a libertarian sticking with Americanism than he is anywhere near a "hard right wing, racist, xenophobe". I just don't see that especially having known a few "hard right wing, racist, xenophobe" types.

[Marie26]

103. I think "middle class" is a code word. nt

[Strawman]

113. but, but

he said bad things about Dubya. He was mean to a Republican on TV. He's my new hero! He ROCKS!

Btw wanna see my shrine to Pat Buchanan? Now that guy really ROCKS!:sarcasm:

You raise an important point. Although it's important to note that politics can make for some strange bedfellows sometimes. If we agree on some issues for different reasons, that's fine as long as we're not under any illusions about the very different ways we come to the same conclusions and who ultimately does and who does not, in fact, really rock.

Lou Dobbs doesn't give two fucks about being equitable to anyone other than his angry nativist white guy middle class constituency. He's the kind of guy who would have voted for the Know Nothing Party in the 1850's. If angry white American guys and CEO's cut a deal tomorrow protecting the interests of both at the expense of everyone else, Lou would be fellating CEO's on his show.

[Armstead]

114. I must disagree

I understand what you're saying but we have to look at these things in terms of broader coalitions.

It's painful to admit, but many of the progressive changes we all support had their roots in movements and people who we might find repugnant today.

[Marie26]

151. such as... nt

[bunkerbuster1]

90. What an unpleasant sentence

if you know what I mean and I think you do...

[Joanne98]

2. I luv Lou Dobbs and he didn't say anything bad about Chavez!

[High Plains]

6. Huh? He just ran a segment about the danger of Venezuela's

military build-up and had a right wing congressman, Dan Burton, warning that a confrontation may loom because Chavez is "Castro with oil."

[Joanne98]

11. It was "tongue in cheek" I think he likes Chavez.

[High Plains]

24. You're kidding, right? It's not April Fools Day anymore.

[radio4progressives]

71. apparently you haven't been paying attention

Lou Dobbs has been saber rattling against Hugo Chavez with his anti-communist rhetoric and hate speech for years .. he thinks it's perfectly ok for the United States to be interfering with their elections, regime change, coup de'tats and even ok for us to take over their oil - that's Lou Dobbs' position a few months ago.

it's in complete contrast to his position in Iraq - Lou Dobbs can't figure out his own thoroughly bankrupt/double standard policies on a lot of issues, except when it comes to our own Supremacy in this hemisphere.

I think Lou Dobbs thinks, that with the exception of Canada (maybe) the United States should control every other country in this hemisphere.

It's okay with Dobbs that we have naval war ships off the coast of Venezuela with missils taunting and provoking Chavez.

what the fuck is that for? so that we can arrange for another coup de'tat and take over their oil wells.

I'm sorry, but people better wake up - and take Dobbs with a grain of salt on a lot of these matters... and when he's playing to the devil in you instead of your better angels, then you really should be aware all the more.

[radio4progressives]

70. Lou Dobbs Drips with Anti-Communist Rhetoric every single time

he mentions Chavez's name.

[AllieB]

8. He has called Chavez a dictator in the past

n/t

[Joanne98]

15. But he stopped. He got alot of e-mails. hee hee

[radio4progressives]

73. Yeah, like last week..

[leftchick]

87. excuse me? His anti Chavez rants are legend

He fucking hates that "leftist" Chavez! It is sickening to listen to.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

106. You're wrong.

Laughably wrong.

[Ian David]

3. The North American Minuteman Border Legionaires Association

The North American Minuteman Border Legionaires Association (NAMBLA):

Minutemen: A home for extremists
Monday, August 08, 2005



This is a recent Minutemen rally. And yes, that's a Nazi flag there, third from the right.

More:
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2005/08/minutemen-home-for-extremists_08.html

[Joanne98]

9. That's ridiculous.

[radio4progressives]

75. What's rediculous?

please clarify.

[VirtualChicano]

16. NAMBLA

HAHAHAHA

bud, that is HILARIOUS!

[Ian David]

29. More on The North American Border Legionaires Association (NAMBLA)

Texas leader of Minuteman group resigns
Associated Press

VICTORIA — The Texas leader of the Minuteman volunteer border patrol group has resigned, saying the chapter lacks structure and claiming racist tendencies among members from his area, a newspaper reported.

Bill Parmley, a Goliad County landowner who heads the Texas chapter of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, resigned by e-mail Monday in a letter to Chris Simcox, the group's national president, and Goliad County Sheriff Robert DeLaGarza, the Victoria Advocate reported in today's editions.

The Minuteman group drew national attention earlier this year for its volunteer patrols of the U.S.-Mexico border in Arizona. It is planning similar patrols in Texas this fall, and Simcox said the resignation would not change those plans.

Parmley, who lives in the tiny Goliad County town of Sarco, accused members of working to undermine DeLaGarza because he is Hispanic. He also said the group was holding secret meetings without him in violation of the bylaws.

More:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1657071

[VirtualChicano]

48. Ya, Simcox likes girls

14 y.o. girls

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/news/item.jsp?site_area=1&aid=149

he should of picked a cousin, instead he hit on his own daughter

<edited for typos>

[JuniperLea]

57. NAMBLA!!!

HAHAHAHHAHAAAAA!!!


:rofl:

[Ignis]

72. That's just brilliant.

That'll keep me giggling for days. Thanks! :)

[VirtualChicano]

108. What next?

Jesus juice?
hehhe

[radio4progressives]

74. Remember that KKK David Duke started this back in the early 80's

this was his puppy... he started this whole movement and now Lou Dobbs has given it his blessings.

that should tell people something.

[Marie26]

94. They're mostly racist militia-type guys

Note also the two confederate flags & one skinhead doing a Nazi salute. Do you want these guys running around w/guns & a hankering to start shooting immigrants? The Border Patrol agents hate them, by the way.

[aff1]

142. Their doing what we pay the government to do

Why not have the Border Patrol enforce the laws on the books and then we wouldn't have a need for a "Border Neighborhood Watch"?

Do you want to let everyone and their brother in this country?

[Marie26]

148. So why not have the gov. do it?

You don't think the Border Patrol is trying? They're completely underfunded & understaffed. Instead of arming your local right-wing wackos, why don't we simply hire more Border Patrol agents? Why don't we create legal pathways to immigration? Or punish corporations that exploit workers?

[aff1]

141. who u kiddin?

Re: "And yes, that's a Nazi flag there, third from the right."

Looks like a Confederate flag to me. Big difference!

[Marie26]

149. You're just all over this issue, aren't you?

Maybe you should've started out in the DU Lounge; work up a reputation first. Just a hint for next time. That is a Nazi flag, if you don't recognize the flag, there are some clues from the fact that he's also a skinhead doing a Nazi salute.

[0007]

4. Lou is one sneaky right wing dickhead......

Pox on him & CNN

[Joanne98]

17. He a pissed off Republican. We need more of them.

[KoKo]

28. He tends to run "hot and cold" like Tweety...seems it depends on his

e-mail...so "crank it up if you support him or want to tell him where he is wrong.

[Joanne98]

41. Thanx

[Joey Liberal]

5. I don't like Lou either. n.t

[matcom]

7. he is a fucking racist

always has been

[Joanne98]

19. He's anti-globalization.

[VirtualChicano]

23. He's Anti-EVERYTHING

i'll bet he's even anti-himself!

[Joanne98]

27. He's anti-Bush bigtime!

[fooj]

65. He's PRO-MIDDLE CLASS! Works for me.

Hell, he's the only one out there screaming about how the middle class is getting totally screwed. I am appreciative of that.

[SoCalDem]

22. Yep.. that's Lou.. He won some people over

when he took on outsourcing, but it was mostly to hype his own book.. Once that was well-launched, he moved back to his first 'love'..... xenophobia

[madmunchie]

66. No, he is pro middle class and lower class American Citizens

OUR right and lifestyle is being sucked dry by outsourcing and depressed wages created by people willing to undercut wages that we have fought long and hard to raise.

[Marie26]

97. So that's why he always does shows

about strengthening unions & increasing the minimum wage. After the Sago mining disaster, he was just brutal to the mine owners & pointed out how the mine had awful safety standards & had driven out the unions. He's always talking about the exhorbitant corporate profits... No, wait, he hasn't done any of those things. He talks about "Broken Borders" every night instead. People who think Dobbs cares about the working class need to take a look at what his broadcasts are about. If it's not about foreigners, Dobbs doesn't care.

[madmunchie]

104. I watch him every night and while I don't agree with everythint he say

(I don't agree w everything that my spouse says either), he is right about outsourcing and ILLEGAL immigration

[Ksec]

137. no he isnt

Hes a realist. If that steps on anyones toes then that doesnt mean he hates that race.

Thats where yer PC crap went bottoms up. Its too easy to say racist instead of figuring out a problem on its own merits. If you think his attacks on illegals are an attack on Mexicans then youre wrong. Its an attack on illegals wherever they came from. Right now its just that 8 of ten illegals just happen to be coming from that country. Nothing personal or racist about it.

[Name removed]

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[BooScout]

10. He's a pompous ass......

I never have liked him for the very reasons you mentioned and have said so more than several times here...........his fan base will be along shortly to flame you for this.

*hands out fire extinguishers to all who want them*:evilgrin:

[Marie26]

98. Can I have one? :) n/t

[tsuki]

12. Lou Dobbs is always what he has been. But he does not

blow with the wind. I can agree with him, or disagree with him. Outsourcing, I pretty well agree. Strong working (middle) class, I pretty well agree. Hugo Chavez, I don't agree. However, he does not change everytime Bush/Cheney get a new hair. So, I can listen to him.

[Sugarcoated]

25. That's my take as well

[Joanne98]

26. That's fair.

[lonestarnot]

30. You speak truth tsuki....

and :hi: :hug:

[tsuki]

105. HEY, HEY, HEY

I think that I may go to Crawford in August. Are you in?

[lonestarnot]

109. Holy crap, is that a plan? Sure be hot there in August... please keep me

updated.

[tsuki]

133. Will do.

[etherealtruth]

31. Agreed

He is consistent.

[DeaconBlues]

13. I think he's awesome

if you want the pro-corporate side of illegal immigration, watch Fox News

[jaysunb]

14. Racist wing nut is Dobbs

nothing more , nothing less.

[Joanne98]

20. He hates corporations.

[High Plains]

32. I don't think Dobbs hates corporations.

You were closer when you said he was anti-globalization. I hate to resort to Marxist terminology, but Dobbs seems like a mouthpiece for the national bourgeoisie as opposed to the international bourgeoisie. He's all for good, all-American capitalism.

[Joanne98]

39. He's anti-cartels anti-mercantilism!

Bush is not a capitalist as you probably know.

[Telly Savalas]

37. Not really.

He just wishes that corporations would keep their $6/hr, no health insurance call-center jobs in America where they will be held by White U.S. citizens.

You never hear him complaining about the low wages or absence of health care. The OP nailed it on the head: Dobbs' concern for labor issues is rooted solely in nationalism. Corporations that don't exploit foreign labor, but only exploit domestic labor don't draw his ire.

[Windy]

50. Your wrong. Hes had many shows regarding health care

and has gone after Walmart on many many occassions!

[KittyWampus]

62. People that slam Dobbs don't actually watch or listen to him and therefore

aren't interested in your recitation of mere facts!

[Telly Savalas]

67. I don't watch him too much because everytime I see him

he's blathering on about immigration. I've yet to hear him once say anything about health care and I can't recall anybody at DU starting a thread saying "look at what Dobbs said about health care." It's all immigration, immigration, and more immigration. Maybe if one were to watch every minute of every show over the past year, one could find a couple of instances of him talking about health care. But if we really gave a shit, one wouldn't have to do this, because he'd be talking about that on a daily basis and not immigration.

[Marie26]

120. He has complete control over his show

When CNN gave Lou Dobbs his own show, he made sure to use his power & influence w/the network in order to obtain almost complete control over the topics & issues he could cover. Think of that. The man can cover anything in the world - the Patriot Act, the Downing Street Memo, Iraq war profiteering & corruption, union-busting, anti-environment bills, global warming, PNAC, the neocons, Bush-Saudi ties, election fraud, etc., etc. Instead, he uses that control to cover immigration. Every night. For years.

[acmejack]

43. CNN/Money Lou Dobbs?

Moneyline Editor & Publisher Lou Dobbs? Multi Millionaire Lou Dobbs? Which Corporations does Lou not like? Certainly not any of the ones he is touting in Moneyline! I'll hazard a guess that Lou has a fine fat portfolio too!

[Joanne98]

46. Why is that so strange. It takes one to know one.....

Soros is a billionare is he evil too?

[aff1]

144. that's so old.....

Lou Dobbs was the CNN/Moneyline editor but quit to start space.com. He was gone from CNN for a good 3-4- maybe 5 years before he came back.

[madmunchie]

64. Considering Corporations are screwing over the American middleclass

and lower class, I'm glad to have a voice speaking about OUR rights - or lack thereof, and furthermore, You want to reap the benefits of the U.S.?. have the decency to wave the American Flag, considering that is the country that has been a better alternative for you to live in then Mexico. They want to stay here, then at least acknowledge the flag of the U.S. who apparently is a better place to be then is Mexico. Obviously protesting on the streets of the U.S. must mean that protesting against inhumane treatment and lack of opportunity in Mexzico would be meaningless, so why wave the Mexocan flag?????

[Bridget Burke]

115. Ah, the Mexican Flag Controversy.....

I haven't seen that one since--yesterday.

[VirtualChicano]

18. So does Bill O'reilly

they are both girlymen

[Joanne98]

21. O'Reilly is a corporate whore.

[Raydawg1234]

127. Uhhhhhhhh.........You can't even compare Lou Dobbs with Bill Oriely

[Joanne98]

33. This is where the debate is heading. He's fighting this...

Gawd Bless him......
http://www.cid.harvard.edu/cidtrade/issues/washington.html

It doesn't have anything to do with race...

[MoonRiver]

34. Dobbs just defended McKinney, btw.

I think you've misjudged Lou, big time.

[WiseButAngrySara]

45. Darn, I missed that! What did he say? Agree with your op BTW. n/t

[MoonRiver]

58. Can't remember his exact words,

but it was along the lines of much ado about nothing. Lou nails it as usual.

[High Plains]

47. Good for him for supporting McKinney.

He is not wrong and pernicious all the time, just most of it.

[MoonRiver]

59. Lol, I guess I simply am not very passionate about illegal immigration

one way or the other. I can see both sides. So the things Lou says against globalization, outsourcing, corporatization, and, especially his continuous ranting against the chimp are what I like about him.

[Sullivan4Congress]

35. Here, here!

Dobbs is a paleoconservative. He's closer to Pat Buchanan than anything else. The ham-fisted xenophobia is morally repugnant and his economic philosophy is straight out of the Warren Harding playbook.

We don't need him.

[Joanne98]

44. Neo-conservative wars have made me yearn for the good ole

days of paleos! lol

[OutsidetheBox]

36. Dobbs' rise is a result of ignornance and xenophobia in America

He is first and foremost a corporatist hack, caring only about big business (see his past), though masquerading as a friend of the middle class. Secondly, he is a teevee pundit, carving out a niche for himself through ignorance, xenophobia, patriotism and nationalism (read: targeting the ignorant), all in order to expand his target market. (hence, a larger piece of the advertising revenue pie). Saying Dobbs cares about middle class Americans is like believing Bush when he says Jesus is his favorite philosopher. Dobbs is an opportunist, using the fear, hatred and xenophobia of his viewers to gain popularity where little existed before. It is called reinventing himself for profit motives and for ego. Look at and study his past and then say he cares about "middle class americans". Follow the money...... Typical pundit using the ignorance of his viewers to self-aggrandize his self worth. To see that so many DUers listen to his every word is very, very disconcerting to say the least. More and more this site is losing its progressive principles.

[Marie26]

96. Here here! nt

[Kurovski]

125. I've followed Lou Dobbs for over six years, and I disagree.

I don't agree with everything the man says, but you are spouting utter nonsense. No, make that bullshit.

Dobbs has decried the outsourcing of America's jobs for many years. that's something even Bill Clinton didn't do. He challenged the Government DAILY regarding Enron and corporate corruption. He is in support of small business as well, and highlighted companies that well supported their employees.

You are posting bullshit on those counts.

It could be that you are against all business, in which case none of that will matter to you.

The fact that you cut and paste the same speech in every thread about Dobbs is not only somewhat rude and lazy, it looks to be a campaign. Now that Dobbs is tearing the administration to shreds in no uncertain terms, dishonest attacks on Dobbs seem counter-productive. You may see him as racist, many do, but you're definitely wrong on the other counts. I'm personally not fully convinced of the charges of racism lobbed at Dobbs.

And what a lame, right-wing styled attempt it is to repeatedly refer to anyone who would listen to Dobbs as "ignorant". Maybe that will intimidate folks who don't think for themselves, or look for themselves, or who choose to react on assumptions, but it is insulting to anyone else.

Dobbs' daily polls consistently reveal that his audience knows what's up with the Bush administration. It ranks in the 80-97 range on those who agree that Bush is headed on a tragic course, that his policies are damaging, that he is a failure, that he is full of nonsense.

You have come here to DU with a day and a few posts under your belt, and chose to suddenly jump into the fray of some of the most divisive discussions on this board since the elections. and you come on board to attack a man who consistently challenges Bush, and whose attacks on the administration have been recently stepped up. You then state "More and more this site is losing its progressive principles." Again I say, "nice try". many here disagree with Dobbs, but I will tell you one thing: in this day and age their is no principle more progressive than telling the truth about this administration.

I don't give a rat's ass if it's Ann Coulter who suddenly sees the light and starts spilling the beans. The truth is the truth.

And without people who have a podium and an audience telling the truth day in and day out, the progressive movement in this country is fucked, So are all movements save for our one long slide into Fascism.

[OutsidetheBox]

135. But of course you disagree with me...

Because if you agreed, and since you watch his show, that would make you, according to my statement, ignorant. I don't blame you for posting, you are simply defending who you are and what you watch, but I stand behind my statement...He has appeal, shall I say, among the less enlightened among us. It's pretty obvious if you really care to look. Follow the advertising money...Follow Lou bending over to CEOs. Follow Moneyline and his past. He creates rage and anger in those that fear what they do not know. He manipulates video, stats and opinion to reach his pre drawn conclusions, enraging you even more, hooking you to his show because he talks what you want to hear, thereby creating a niche for himself as an immigrant basher, friend of the middle class. Nothing but bullshit, though he is laughing all the way to the bank. The formula is quite successful. If you so happen to like him and watch him well what can I say....

[Kurovski]

136. Do enlightened individuals, such as yourself,

always use the same manipulative techniques that they accuse others of, or are you an anomaly?

For you see, I'm an ignorant individual, and I wouldn't know.

Do all enlightened individuals suddenly gain that extra-sensory perception which allows them to tell others definitively what they are and what they're feeling, be it Lou Dobbs, or an anonymous poster on a forum?

Since I'm so easily manipulated by the nefarious Lou, perhaps you can manipulate me into your brand of enlightenment.

You write: "It's pretty obvious if you really care to look."
What is? Tell us. Give us some facts. Make some sense. I'm not the only one who will be waiting for a clear and cogent response to weigh against my own observations. Tossing turds directly into my face isn't going to sway me.

I'll reiterate my contention that some of your techniques Vis-à-Vis defining others based on little more than your own goals and desires, and frequent use of manipulative assumptions via insult, are the golden rules of the Right-Wing playbook.

But perhaps it is after all just an extremists' way of attempting to get their way.

Dobbs covers the truth on many topics, and to say that he does not is unadulterated bullshit. Maybe you hate him because you think that he himself is filled with hate. That is your opinion and your choice. Truth. Opinion. Truth. Opinion.

[Kurovski]

138. Oops!

Make that "Dobbs REPORTS the truth on many topics".

Just thought I'd head that one off at the pass.

[Name removed]

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[aff1]

145. xenophobia?

Guess you learned a new word in the last 2 months, congrats!

[ChiciB1]

38. Like Him Or Not... He Has Gotten The Repukes Tied

in knots on immigration! And The Idiot isn't too happy with him either!

The only problem I'm having with the immigration issue for the most part is the fact that the protesters have started using ONLY the Mexican Flag! This isn't going to sit well with Americans!

If they want to march & protest it would look a lot better to use the American Flag in America! For those that are opposed to more immigration it only fans the flame!

Lou Dobbs doesn't bother me so much, if you remember HE was one who had the Dubai Ports issue front & center when it was almost a done deal! I don't doubt that this WH is still doing their dirty work, but you can't say Dobbs backs down when he hones in on something. I think he cared about the middle class and he HAS taken a lot of flack because of his opinions.

I just wish those of us who oppose this administration could get as organized as these people marching for what they believe in. They are getting a LOT of attention, while we sit here at our PC's, or sign petitions or write Congressmen! We ain't got "nuttin" yet!

[Joanne98]

51. He has cause the GOP more problems than anyone.

He's RUINED Bill Frist's life. He's a real pro. I luv him.

[ChiciB1]

First Is STILL Running/Foaming At The Mouth Though!

But I do like the fact that he has them on the run! Dobbs is a Libertarian and makes no bones about it.

[aff1]

146. re: Like Him Or Not... He Has Gotten The Repukes Tied

Problem I have with their protests is that they are here ILLEGALLY!!!

That's what Lou Dobbs harps on. He has nothing against LEGAL immigration and neither do I. To give these 10-20 million ILLEGALS Amenesty for crossing the desert is a disgrace.

Why should we pay for a Mexicans education, healthcare, etc.... when I've been an American my whole life and don't get it? Give it to me as an American citizen, then maybe I'll agree and be happy to hand it out to the foreigners.
Until then, they should go back to Mexico or whatever country they ILLEGALLY entered from and protest there for what they want from their corrupt and ineffective governments.

[havocmom]

40. Did he actually call them "those evil immigrants" or did he refer

to illegal immigrants and you put those other words in his mouth? There is a big difference and I have never noticed him to call immigrants evil. I HAVE noticed him push for enforcement of laws against hiring illegals anc coming out against the employers who exploit them.

[High Plains]

49. He didn't actually call them "those evil immigrants."

He doesn't have to.

[havocmom]

60. Ah, so you inferred he said something he did not say

Not the sort of reporting many of us appreciate.

If it's a personal opinion, fine, we are all entitled to that. But inferring someone said something they did not... hmmm.

I have heard him come down hard and often on illegal EMPLOYERS and voice the opinion that things should be done legally. He is know to make a lot of anti-globalist comments and arguments against corporations which benefit from our nation and then put greed over any sense of loyalty to American workers. I have never heard him voice racist remarks.

[Grateful for Hope]

63. I agree

I have not heard anything resembling racism from him. He places blame squarely on the shoulders of the corporations.


On edit: Spelling error.

[WhollyHeretic]

78. Hyperbole? On a message board? I am stunned.

Posts here are not news articles they are opinions and discussion (I thought the name General Discussion gave that away). It was pretty obvious the OP wasn't using direct quotes from Lou Dobbs.

[havocmom]

100. OP stated Lou Dobbs sucks as a subject line

then uses :shrug: to back up it up

Yes it is a discussion board. But a lot of us try to use facts to make our case. The OP didn't do that.

[High Plains]

99. I didn't quote him as saying that.

It was indeed my interpretation of his overall message. It's his schtick to fan fears about immigrants. They're a threat...and a menace.

[Joanne98]

52. NO!

[Elwood P Dowd]

42. He is THE ONLY ONE in the corporate media exposing the truth

about outsourcing and the falling standard of living for most US workers. He is THE ONLY ONE in the corporate media exposing the corruption by US corporations and their partners in crime, our corrupt politicians.

Bush wants open borders and an unlimited supply of cheap labor. He wants more US workers replaced by cheap foreign workers. The DU open border crowd is on the same page as Bush and the corporate crooks.

[Joanne98]

54. And he hates the trade deals.

[havocmom]

61. Yep!

:thumbsup:

[radio4progressives]

84. He never goes all the way..

he gives token reports to it.. there is so much more that he could expound on in this but instead, he switches over to cast blame to the segment of the population that has absolutely control or power in any of this.

[dusmcj]

53. reflecting common ground for the People on both left and right

the worm is turning with gathering speed, the Repubitards may have wound up the immigration issue to stave this off, but where they have their noses buried is visible to more and more people on all sides of the spectrum, so that there is a coming together taking place of those on both left and right who prioritize the public interest over advancing the particular ideology they have bought stock in. Dobbs may be a corporate hack, or not too far out of his repubican armchair, but in kicking the administration's ass nightly over selling America's economic future to the lowest overseas bidder in favor of its transnational corporate chickenfuck chums, he is doing yeoman's service to the People's cause. And that after all, is what it's all about.

Social structures, business and government all exist solely to serve the People. Not the other way around.

[Joanne98]

55. Very well said!

[radio4progressives]

79. He puts up Smoke and Mirrors

He doesn't get at the whole story and he spends far too much time fear mongering then he does in getting to the actual issues that cause the disparity - he doesn't dive into it - he just fans the flames .

that's not what we need. What we need is comprehensive reporting on an honest level not on a race baiting level. Because when he and his producers do this, he is only appealing to the base level of racism. it's really disgusting and he needs to be de-programmed of his racism before he can possibly get at the issues in any meaningful level.

[radio4progressives]

56. THANK YOU!! Excellent Post!

everything enumerated perfectly..

and this is the one that DU'rs need to explain to themselves while they continue to "praise" Lou Dobbs for his racism, xenophobia, hypocrisy, and fear mongering :

if you think Dobbs is pro-worker, ask yourself when was the last time he covered a labor issue that didn't have something to do with nationalism

I'd like to see Lou Dobbs defender explain that with a shred of honesty and credibility.

[Marie26]

102. They won't, cause they can't

I don't know if Dobbs has ever done a show that wasn't about immigration in some way.

[boot@9]

124. you are right on

he has been particularly worked up lately. Someone else on du had written something to the effect: senate committee passes immigration bill...LOU DOBBS IMPLODES!

[Marie26]

139. lol. Any day now.

I kind of thought he might've imploded at the Cancun summit. Mexico, immigration, Bush - it was the Lou Dobbs version of the Super Bowl. How do you top it? He's been on a long, slow slide ever since. *shakes head sadly*

[NNN0LHI]

68. Dobbs is the GOPs best friend

With the election coming up this gives them an issue for the Republicans to manipulate to their advantage.

For the Republicans in states where racism sells well Lou gives them the perfect venue to spout their anti brown people rhetoric to whip up their constituents into a frenzy.

For the Republicans in states where racism is not so popular this gives those Republicans their venue to look reasonable to their constituents on this issue.

This is a no lose for the GOP. These Republican politicians would much rather be talking about scary looking brown people with Tuberculosis than dead American soldiers coming home from Iraq every day with the mid-term elections looming. Believe me.

Bush doesn't even come into play in this drama. He isn't running for anything.

And if it wasn't Mexicans it would be some other group. Blacks? The disabled? Gays? The homeless? Jews? Muslims? Who will be next? The Republicans don't care. They are thugs.

Don

[Raydawg1234]

129. oh come on.

total nonsense analysis.

[mondo joe]

69. I like Lou Dobbs just fine. He was all over the ports deal.

And I have yet to hear anything from him that even hints that immigrants are bad, or that he thinks any less of any race.

[radio4progressives]

77. you have got to be kidding? (!)

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[mondo joe]

80. If he said something racist please prooduce it.

And though he's certainly anti ILLEGAL immigration he's not anti immigration.

[radio4progressives]

81. He does it every day.

if you don't recognize it in his verbiage and his producers as well, then you don't know what it is, i guess.

[mondo joe]

82. As I said, please produce it. I don't go in for mind-reading.

Thank you.

[radio4progressives]

85. LOL! Mind reading isn't required. a pair Ears will help you alot. eom

[mondo joe]

86. If you can't produce evidence, you're just making accusations.

I'm not a Republican - I don't take things on faith and i don't like personal smears.

[Marie26]

101. Imagine this...

Imagine if you have a co-worker who seems obsessed w/one issue. Every time you talk to him, like "how are you?", he sees it as an opportunity to bring up his favorite issue - minorities. He follows every aspect of the issue on the news. He'll always try to email you any article that places this group in a bad light - with "YOU SEE???" in the subject line. People will avert speaking to him at get-togethers for fear he will launch into a rant. He has his own website where he fiercely complies any negative article w/his own commentary about how AWFUL those minorities are. He never says he's racist, but everyone at work thinks he is based on his behavior & obsession w/the issue. Now imagine he has his own TV show. That's Dobbs.

[mondo joe]

112. False analogy. But thanks.

And unless he's given you EVIDENCE that he's a racist it's just accusation.

I'm not into mind reading or faith based attacks - that's for Republicans.

[Marie26]

116. Yeah, it's an analogy

I was hoping to show why Dobbs inspires so much antipathy. But ultimately, I guess we all see what we want to see.

[mondo joe]

117. We see what we want to see? I want to see evidence.

But there's none yet.

[Marie26]

119. If you don't see it, I can't show it to you

There's a "failure to communicate" here of the most basic level. Dobbs fans wonder why anyone could think he's racist, & Dobbs haters wonder how anyone could miss the obvious racism & xenophobia. As a Dobbs hater, I'm perplexed by his liberal fan base & troubled by his continuing alarmism on immigration. But I don't think either side will ever convince the other,

[mondo joe]

121. If there is real evidence it should be easy to demonstrate.

It sounsd more like you believe he means something other than what he says. No wonder you can't show it.

For all I know he may be a racist. He may not be. I'm not prepared to decide he is just because some people FEEL he is.

[Raydawg1234]

130. Bullshit. Everytime you disagree with somone you label them a racist

I hate the use of the word "racism" on this site. It is thrown out their way too much in cases that are clearly not racism.

[RB TexLa]

88. He was as wrong on the ports deal as he is on immigration

easy to predict, if you see or hear about a something involving non-WASPS just wait for his show and he'll come out opposed to whatever it is they are doing. (in the name of the middle class of course)

[mondo joe]

91. If he was as wrong on this as that, then he must be dead-on correct.

Thanks.

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[Cleita]

83. His attitude is pretty much why this issue won't be solved

in a rational manner that is acceptable to all sides involved in this, the employer, the American worker and the immigrant worker.

I think Randi is right. This is this election year's divisive issue. After the election it will disappear into thin air. Business will go on as usual.

[Marie26]

89. Why, yes, he does.

Is he ranting about the flags again? I'm so glad I stopped watching CNN - that show isn't good for my blood pressure. But you can almost tell what Dobbs is ranting about today based on the threads that later show up on DU.

[iamthebandfanman]

92. hah

i dunno why any body would be surprised by the way he talks about immigration.
hes only been saying the same thing about it for a billion years.

the mans a conservative, like it or not. just the pre bush kind.

you know, small government and hate the communist?
yeah, that kind of conservative.
the real ones, not these neo-cons in charge. thats why lou doesnt like chimpy.

i really dunno why his stance would suggest hes a racist and has some affiliation with the KKK tho.

people around here like him because he hates chimpy too
and occasionally he does take some center and slightly left stances when it comes to social and economic issues.

[Ksec]

93. I like Dobbs

Most days hes the only one who understands this economy sucks for the middle class of this country.

As far as illegals go Im not concerned with their problems. I think we should take care of our own , and let Mexico take care of Mexicans.

[Imagevision]

107. Dobbs is cool , so is Jim Schaffer

compared to Brit Humes and Hannity...well I won't even bother with that...

[Armstead]

110. Dobbs is good. We need allies on the issues that transcend labels.

The core issue of "free reade" globalization and corporate abuse of power, and what those values are doing to America is one that transcends the usual labels of right and left. What is needed to break through to the mainsteram with those issues is a coalition that can at least agrees on what is actually non-political common sense and common decency.

Dobbs can be annoying, and some of his issues are what could be called "politically incorrect" by the left. But Dobbs is also an important ally on core issues like globaliztion, corporate power and the gutting of the middle class and the screwing of American workers.

Anyone like Dobbs who spaeksa out against that is important. We can argue about social policies and political correctness later. But first we have to save America.

While protecting America's domestic economy can veer into xenophobia, that does not negate the fact that America IS being dismantled by Corporate Elites. The working/middle class has been placed on the auction block.

Frankly, people like Dobbs and Pat Buchanan are much more on target on those issues than mushy centrist Dewmocrats like Hillary Clinton and the otherso=-called liberals who are enablers of the corporate oligarchy. The Democrats have been AWOL on those core issues for far too long. An too often, the beltway Democrats still ignore it.

It's like Bob Barr. His positions on many issues are diametrically opposed to those of liberals, and during the Clinton impeachment he was one of the most obnoxious Republicans there was. BUT Barr also is a champion of civil liberties and has become an important ally of "the left" in standing up against the assault on civil liberties by the Bush administration.

[idlisambar]

150. good breakdown

Dobbs is not the liberal ideal by a long shot, but he's useful just the same because few others cover the same ground.

[Karenca]

111. Make a poll....

It would be interesting.

Compared to all the others on CNN, I guess I like him best.

Though, I thought Aaron Brown was better.

It goes downhill from there.

[itcfish]

118. Don't Forget

his remark on cancelling St. Patrick's Day, Columbus Day Celebrations.

[Kurovski]

132. He appeared on The Daily Show (by phone)

and got a ribbing from Jon Stewart for that one.

[Marie26]

140. Why Columbus Day?

Just curious. Does his dislike of immigrants extend to Columbus?

[AzDar]

122. I don't agree with everything Lou Dobbs says...But recently I appreciate

his stand on ILLEGAL immigration, outsourcing, and the ruination of the middle class by Corporations. His disdain for Bush and his lies grows more transparent by the day, and in these times, that's a revolutionary act.
I don't think there's one politician or journalist I agree with 100%, and that's okay in a truly Democratic society.

[Karenca]

123. "His disdain for Bush and his lies grows more transparent by the day''

I agree....
It's not only revolutionary, it's refreshing.
Next to Blitzer, Zahn, Crowley, Kagan, Soledad, and the rest of the media whores on CNN,
Dobbs stands out.

I'm aware he's not a Democrat, thta's ok, I apreciate him for standing apart from the others.
(all of which I hate).
Dobbs despises B*sh.

[AngryOldDem]

126. Dobbs was one of the first, I think, to discuss outsourcing....

and how it's killing the middle class. I think most of the time he is very much on point, but then, I have a vested interest in the issue of outsourcing -- like my husband keeping his job.

[HughBeaumont]

131. Hit and miss.

I mean, it's OK to disagree with someone's positions without calling them names. I don't agree with everything said on DU. For example, there are several pro-offshorers here, all on ignore because I can't take seriously the theory that destroying one middle class to lift another helps more than just the wealthy. Real Americans are being hurt by offshoring, some of whom I know personally and have talked to online, and their situations are nothing to be downplayed because some corporate-fluffing economist trumpets this horrid practice as beneficial to workers.

For instance, I kind of shy away from his nativism; but as someone whose career path has been decimated by job offshoring, I can appreciate it when he calls pro-corporate tards like Heritage fellow and Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao and pro-offshorer Nutscrape guru Marc Andreessen on their ridiculous and unapologetic anti-labor stances. I can also get behind him with his arguments about how offshoring has NOT created better jobs for Americans as Repukes continue to assert, that the "retraining" canard in regard to displaced workers is an unrealistic cop-out, that our corporate leaders are doing absolutely nothing to address either of these issues and that our trade deficit is skyrocketing.

[w8liftinglady]

134. Dobbs is consistant.

I respect him for sticking to his viewpoint,even when I'm sure it was unpopular.I hate to break the news to you,but we need to make the Democratic party at least tolerable for these guys,if we want to win.These are the straddlers -repubs who don't agree with the way repubs have handled their country.animosity is not the recipe for their vote.enough with the attacks.let's stick to issues...we share a lot of common ground these days with those guys.

[MaraJade]

152. I LOVE HIM!

And I agree with him. Sorry folks, but I was OFFENDED by all of the Mexican Flags flying.

This AIN'T Mexico.

If these people want to stay here, they should have been flying American Flags. They are getting fed and
clothed by the USA. They pay no taxes (despite what you may have heard, they don't) yet the vast majority of them
have better healthcare coverage than US citizens courtesy of
the taxpayers. Look at the thousands of kids that are in the public schools. Yet their parents pay not a single
cent of school taxes.

To me, they looked as if they were saying "we're from Mexico and we're taking over--get used to it." All those
Mexican flags were very insulting. It was very offensive to see their declaration of such allegiance to Mexico, when they
want to stay here.