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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 09:18 PM
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Is it too tinfoil to wonder whether this port deal indicates that repukes
have plans in place to "win" the next Senate/House/Pres elections? Of all things idiot son could do to antagonize his base, this seems the most risky especially now with the abysmal polling numbers.

Is the lack of concern by the proponents of this deal about alienating repukes and thereby endangering their control of the govt alarming in and of itself?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 09:22 PM
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1. Smirk thought deal would sail through and bring about the next 9-11.
Suspend Constitution.
Declare martial law.
No elections.
No term limits.
Round up all who object.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 09:37 PM
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4. And make him and his friends immensely more wealthy in the process.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 11:10 PM
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9. Permanent War for Permanent Peace...
...is how Gore Vidal puts it.

The giggling murderer and the drunken psychopath are merely the public puppets at the top of the pyramid that is the military-industrial complex.

The Bush Crime Family makes money off of treason, war and death. They are well compensated, too.

It's been that way since certain white men set out to eradicate the Native Americans.
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 09:48 PM
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6. Why would anyone think such a deal would sail through?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 11:13 PM
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10. Control the Press. Control the Congress. Control the Military.
Control the Courts.

Control the NSA.

Control the Police.

Control the Corporations.

Control the CIA...

You get the picture.

Just one way.

Theirs.

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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 11:29 PM
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12. So you're saying that they were completely confident that they had
all their ducks in a row. That is quite staggering.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 12:04 AM
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13. Don't know about their confidence, I do know what they control.
Who controls Smirko? I'd guess the PNAC crowd of Cheney, Perle, Wolfowitz, Jebthro etc.

And this whole Port Deal might've snaked through if it weren't for some disgruntled neocon, I remember reading.

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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 12:28 AM
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14. Your post reminds me of an essay I'm reading in this month's
Harper's entitled "Crapshot: everyone loses when politics is a game". The writer believes the Republican mindset is the mindset of player, in the sense that players are those who see themselves as being people who operate above rules.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 12:51 AM
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15. Not only above the law... They believe they are the law.
Sociopaths believe the law and morality do not apply to themselves. Thus, they show no remorse for their actions that hurt or kill others. Have Bush or Cheney once mentioned sorrow for the needless deaths of untold thousands?

Like Napoleon, Bush believes himself to be the state. "My government" he's mentioned more than once. "My government" checked out the Ports Deal. "My government" is doin' a heck of a job. Yu-huh.

The reality may be even worse. Many of today's repuglians operate as solipsists. They believe themselves to be the only livng being in reality. Others are ghosts, projections or mere figments of their imagination. So, to them, the rest of humanity is theirs to be played with or used or disposed of, in whatever way they see fit.

To feel superior, more than a few pukes get Biblical and say the New Testament gives them authority as "Christian Dominionists" or "Christian Reconstructionists." These are practical, the Urosevich brothers were top officers in Diebold and ES&S, the black box voting machine companies. Scare-ee.

Still, with the Port Deal, it's really something to see them start to turn on one another.

Will the last one left believe the game to be over?

PS: Thanks for the kind words, Hoping4Change. It's an honor to be mentioned in the same post as Harper's and on yours.
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 09:25 PM
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2. It's been said that this off-season election will be driven by
perceived "Republican security" issues. Supposedly this is to be the mantra of the Republicans who seek re-election and nomination in this off-season 2006 election. But, then, enter George Walker Bush and this American shipping port lease debacle. Well. The more George Walker Bush talks about it, the deeper the hole he digs. It certainly doesn't help Republicans get elected if America views their mainstay fall-back (American security) issue, negatively.

G'bless Dumbya. He personifies ineffective, inability, incapacity, foot-in-mouth, etc., all to the advantage of his opposing party, the Dems. Finally, John Q. Public may take notice of it. Finally! For tis long overdue.

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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 09:46 PM
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5. Every repuke, even Dumbya, knows national security is "their
baby". It doesn't take grey matter to know that selling off port control to a foreign company and Arab no less is going to provoke most Americans especially xenophobic racists that make up a large part of the repuke base. Don't you find it strange that repukes would make such a massive strategic blunder? This deal must have been in the making for months, it didn't just happen overnight.
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 10:48 PM
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7. Uuummmm, truth be told. Many Democrats including myself are
.

Uuummmm, truth be told. Many Democrats including myself are against a foreign country (note the word "country") owning leasehold rights in our major seaports, Atlantic and Pacific Oceans! It's not merely a foreign "company" as you allege. Instead, it's a foreign company solely owned by a foreign government. Huge difference.

What?? "xenophobic racists" !!! ???

As for the foreign country, itself, it has no long-term stellar reputation in its pro-USA/pro-Western stance. Do a google on the United Arab Emirates (UAE), note who's government owned banks laundered 9-11 terrorist monies, and how many of the 9-11 terrorists held UAE citizenship? Are you aware what tasks that a leaseholder of our country's seaports does? What seaport knowledge is open and available to such leaseholders as result of their status as seaport leaseholders?

BTW, why are you so willing to swallow George Walker Bush's excuses? Was he correct w/ 9-11? How about WMD in Iraq? Or about Saddam (who held all uprisings in check in Iraq)? What about the Bush's federal resolve regarding New Orleans/Katrina/Rita and its preparedness? its follow-up? What about the non-existent protective body and equipment armor of U.S. troops and equipment in Iraq? The inefficient military arms in Iraq? And, the list goes on . . . and on.

Thinking Americans of whatever political ilk, want NO FOREIGN GOVERNMENT-OWNED leases in our American seaports! Our seaports who, today, lack adequate scrutiny of in-coming and out-going containers regarding security issues! Why add another ignominious layer to that which is stacked against us at our seaports regarding security? It's unconscionable, period.
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 11:19 PM
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11. I think you've misunderstood my post.
And I am baffled that bush's criminal cohorts came up with a deal that would outrage most Americans. It would outrage people because it is outrageous. But what is even more baffling is thatsince a large portion of the republican base is comprised of xenophobic racists, why would repukes push a deal that would outrage its own base on so many levels. To my mind these are actions of people who aren't worried about losing elections, it seems to suggest that they are confident that no matter what they do they aren't going to be losing control of the govt any time soon.
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-26-06 11:13 AM
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16. Although I think Bush truly is stupid and tonedeaf to his base, I
also was astounded that even he would try to get this port deal through BEFORE the November elections. A brain-dead moron should have been able to discern that the Bush base, "raghead" haters all, would go ballistic.

There is more than one take on this, though. I agree that one take is that they have the elections sewn up through Diebold and don't care what anyone thinks anymore.

Another possibility is that they truly did not think that the news would get out to the public the way it has, thus making the port takeover a nonissue because it would normally not have been brought to the people's attention at all.

A third possibility is that it gives some Repukes running for Congress a way to distance themselves from Bush, for a short time anyway, so they can be re-elected in 2006 by the base, which would think it was voting for the port deal to be stopped. Yes, their base is that dumb.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 09:32 PM
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3. They'll come back in line, when they're assured that they WILL NOT lose.
Of course.
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titoresque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-25-06 10:50 PM
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8. They live above the law
they will steal these elections just like they have the others.
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