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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:02 AM
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Feingold on the Senate Floor - Patriot Act CSPAN2 now!
:popcorn:
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:03 AM
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1. I think he's going to announce a vote against it...
He's 'very dissapointed' in the few minor changes
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:05 AM
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3. Boxer opposed cloture yesterday on the Senate floor
so I imagine there will be a vote for cloture at some point today or tomorrow.

I was surprised nobody brought that up.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:06 AM
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4. We were busy discussing
Cheney SHOOTING A 78 YEAR OLD MAN IN THE FACE.

:rofl:
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:04 AM
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2. THANKS!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:11 AM
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5. He's setting the Dem tone, I hope. Go, Feingold! nt
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:13 AM
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6. Do we know who except Boxer and Feingold oppose cloture
Reid, Feinstein, and Durbin have been saying they were supporting it as better than the previous one.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:19 AM
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10. No, Mass, sorry; I don't know. nt
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:14 AM
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7. The damn thing outta' be put on hold until congress ascertains,...
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 11:14 AM by Just Me
,...what kind of abuse the administration displayed in its illegal domestic spying program.

NO FREAKIN' WAY this administration should be given any additional power to abuse! :grr:
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:32 AM
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12. Yes that is what should happen
Their power to abuse should be reduced rather than expanded.
Feingold speaks powerful truth to power on this issue. I wish more would join him.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:14 AM
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8. Happy to see he says clearly he does not oppose the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act
and does not want to repeal it. He wants to FIX it.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:15 AM
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9. Only a fool would vote for this piece of shit....
as it is. Where is their judgement? And they call themselves Senators??
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:31 AM
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11. Kick!
Looks like this will be the debate all day.
:)
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:32 AM
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13. I 2nd that! I also recommend!
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 11:33 AM by helderheid
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:38 AM
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14. K&R
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:41 AM
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15. Thanks Viva! Recommend this, everybody!
Feingold's doing a great job of laying out the reasons why the Patriot Act needs further revision.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:44 AM
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16. Done! Is this what a filibuster looks like? :o) nt
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:45 AM
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17. can they extend the current one or is it this version or no version?
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 12:11 PM
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18. With the current crop of Rethugs
in the Senate and the House, I think this is the best version the Dems are likely to get.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 12:12 PM
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19. I'm no expert...
but what I think is going on is this:

It's currently got an extension until March (the 10th, I believe, but I could be wrong on that). They are now looking at possible changes to it. There's been a recent conference report that recommended some changes, but didn't go far enough. According to Feingold, the changes (which were what the WH wanted) were merely cosmetic. So, Feingold is urging the other Senators to make additional substantive changes, which will really address those issues that led them to stop the Patriot Act at the last moment in the first place.

The problem is that there are several Republican Senators who initially went along with the opposition to the act, but who are now saying they will support a bill with only the minor changes, and there are apparently others who are going along with this.

I guess if they weren't able to agree on the changes, they would have to do another extension before the March deadline, but it looks like there's a great danger of it being passed with only the cosmetic changes.

Call or write your representatives, everyone! Tell them to support Feingold!
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 12:19 PM
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20. Feingold's 2-14-06 statement on the Patriot Act,
at TPM Cafe:
http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/12/13/102010/33

Update on the PATRIOT Act
rfeingold's picture
By Russ Feingold | bio

Thanks to everyone for your interesting and provocative responses to my post from yesterday. The current betting is that the House will take up the Patriot Act conference report tomorrow (Wednesday). If it passes, it will then come to the Senate, and a vote to cut off debate - i.e., prevent a filibuster -- is likely to take place Friday morning. So that's the key vote in the Senate. Now is the time to contact your Senators to urge them to oppose cloture and insist that a Patriot Act reauthorization bill include the modest but crucial reforms that I and the other bipartisan opponents of the conference report have recommended.

With your help, I believe we can win the vote Friday. And don't forget your representatives in the House. The vote there is not a foregone conclusion.

Some of you asked specific questions about the conference report. It is final and has been filed in the House. You can see the full bill here. And yes, it still contains extraneous provisions, including changes to the procedures for death row inmates to challenge their convictions or sentence through a habeas corpus petition and a new federal law on methamphetamines .

Many of you asked about specific provisions of the Patriot Act that I support or oppose. The original Patriot Act had over 150 different sections, and I supported most of the provisions when it passed in 2001.

The Patriot Act did a lot more than expand our surveillance laws. Among other things, it set up a national network to prevent and detect electronic crimes, like the sabotage of the nation's financial sector; it established a counterterrorism fund to help Justice Department offices disabled in terrorist attacks keep operating; and it changed the money laundering laws to make them more useful in disrupting the financing of terrorist organizations. One section even condemned discrimination against Arab and Muslim Americans.

Even some of the Act's surveillance sections were not really that troubling. One provision authorized the FBI to expedite the hiring of translators. Another added terrorism and computer crimes to the list of crimes for which criminal wiretap orders could be sought.

But the Patriot Act also expanded the government's powers in significant and controversial ways. Take Section 215 of the Patriot Act, the so-called "library records" provision. Section 215 allows the government to obtain secret court orders in domestic intelligence investigations to get all kinds of business records about people, including library records, medical records and various other types of business records. The Patriot Act allowed the government to obtain these records whenever those records were "sought for" a terrorism investigation, a very low standard that meant it could easily obtain the records of innocent Americans. The government should have to prove that an individual is, at the very least, somehow connected to a terrorist or a spy before it can start looking through sensitive records. Unfortunately, the conference report fails to make that change.

Another very controversial provision is the expansion of National Security Letter (or "NSL") authority that was contained in Section 505. The Washington Post published a lengthy story last month explaining how easy it now is for the FBI to obtain certain types of records using NSLs, with no judicial review, and it reported that more than 30,000 NSLs are issued a year, a startling new revelation. When the Justice Department issued a letter calling the article a "materially misleading portrayal of the FBI's use of National Security Letters," the Post hit back with a short news story and a longer online response pointing out all the inconsistencies and misleading statements in the DOJ letter. Take a minute to read these materials, and then see if you agree with me and some of my colleagues that we need to place safeguards on the broad NSL power and to put a sunset on that power so that Congress can make sure it's not abused.

The White House has fought reasonable safeguards for constitutional freedoms every step of the way. It has resisted congressional oversight and often misled the public about its use of the Patriot Act. Now the Attorney General is arguing that the conference report is adequate "protection for civil liberties for all Americans." It isn't and, with your help, we can send it back to the drawing board.

Sen. Russ Feingold
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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:04 PM
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21. Feingold's back on the floor talking w/ Sessions
:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:
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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:07 PM
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22. Sen Robert Byrd up now & Sen Leahy
:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:07 PM
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23. Is anyone chronicling the litany of lies
that Jeff Sessions has vomited on the senate floor?

Can someone send in a cleanup crew to mop that carp us so no one slips in it?

:mad:
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:09 PM
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24. According to this article, he is pretty much alone on this one:
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 04:10 PM by meganmonkey
LBN thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2111138

It sounds like maybe others are standing with him now? I sure hope so b/c this article is depressing as hell!!!

WASHINGTON (AP) - In a case of legislative deja vu, Sen. Russell Feingold launched another lonely filibuster against the USA Patriot Act, but sponsors predicted enough support to overcome the objection and extend parts of the law set to expire March 10.

---snip---

Indeed, the filibuster seemed doomed. No Democrats were expected to join Feingold, according to officials of both parties. Several senior senators of his party have said they would vote for the bill, including Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada and Richard Durbin of Illinois.

Still, Feingold said the new version provided only a modest new protection for civil liberties.

``What we are seeing is quite simply a capitulation to the intransigent and misleading rhetoric of a White House that sees any effort to protect civil liberties as a sign of weakness,'' Feingold said during a floor speech Wednesday that kicked off his latest filibuster.

----much more at link-----
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-5621866,00.html
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yellowdogmi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 06:53 PM
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27. He is the only one that voted against it in the first time around.
That man is a patriot. I hope he runs for the nomination. He has taken more principled stands against the bush administration than any other dem. Bless that man.
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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:15 PM
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25. Leahy- "At no point did we say that we would ammend the Constitution"
"No one Even the President is above the Law". :hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:
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ralps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 04:19 PM
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26. Byrd bring up the peanut butter demonsration against Halliburton & the
Gov. spying on it. He believes that both the current law & the Constitution may have been violated. :hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:
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