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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 01:04 PM
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Sibel Edmonds verbally pummels Porter Goss.
Porter Goss' Op-ed: 'Ignoturn per Ignotius'!

by Sibel Edmonds

Dear Mr. Goss, the timing of your recent op-ed in the New York Times interestingly coincides with the upcoming congressional hearing by the House Subcommittee on National Security, Emerging Threats & International Relations on National Security Whistleblowers. Your comments are predictably consistent with the pattern of "preemptive strikes" you and the administration have been keen on maintaining. I do not blame you for your opposition to legislation to protect courageous whistleblowers, which will enable the United States Congress to reclaim some of its authority and oversight that it has given up for the past five years. No sir, you have all the right and reason to be nervous. However, I must take issue with your attempt to mislead the American public - another habit of your heart - by presenting them with false information and misleading statements.

Sir, as you must very well know after your years in congress as a representative and as a member of the intelligence committee, there are no meaningful legal protections for whistleblowers. What is troubling is that while you are well aware of the fact that there are no meaningful or enforceable laws that provide protection to national security whistleblowers, you nevertheless state that such workers are covered by existing laws. That is simply false. You state that "the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act was enacted to ensure that current or former employees could petition Congress, after raising concerns within their respective agency, consistent with the need to protect classified information." The Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act, which appears to be the legal channel provided to national security employees, turns out on closer inspection to be toothless. Please refer to the recent independent report issued by the Congressional Research Service (CRS) on National Security Whistleblowers on December 30, 2005. The report concludes that there currently are no protections for national security whistleblowers - period. Let me provide you with a recent example illustrating the fallacy of your claim:

In December 2005, Mr. Russ Tice, former National Security Agency (NSA) intelligence analyst and action officer, sent letters to the chairs of the Senate and House Intelligence Committees, and requested meetings to brief them on probable unlawful and unconstitutional acts conducted while he was an intelligence officer with the NSA and DIA. In his letter Mr. Tice, as a law abiding and responsible intelligence officer, stated "Due to the highly sensitive nature of these programs and operations, I will require assurances from your committee that the staffers and/or congressional members to participate retain the proper security clearances, and also have the appropriate SAP cleared facilities available for these discussion." On January 9, 2006, the NSA sent an official letter to Mr. Tice stating "neither the staff nor the members of the House or Senate Intelligence committees are cleared to receive the information.

Now, Mr. Goss, please explain this to the American public: What happened to your so-called appropriate congressional channels and protections available to national security whistleblowers? Mr. Goss, what "protected disclosure to congress"? According to the NSA no one in the United States Congress is "cleared enough" to hear reports from national security whistleblowers. Please name one whistleblower to date who has been protected after disclosing information to the United States Congress; can you name even a single case? Or, is that information considered classified? How do we expect the United States Congress to conduct its oversight responsibility and maintain the necessary checks on the Executive Branch, when agencies such as yours declare the members of congress "not cleared enough" to receive reports regarding conduct by these agencies? Where do you suggest employees like Mr. Tice go to report waste, fraud, abuse, and/or illegal conduct by their agencies? Based on your administration's self-declared claim of inherent power and authority of the executive branch overriding courts and the United States Congress, what other channels are left to pursue?

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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 01:11 PM
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1. I wish she would physically pummel Porter as well
and slap him around a bit with his mauve neck tie.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 07:56 PM
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10. Only if she dresses like Emma Peel
in the Advengers. Now that would be cool.



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Tace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 11:16 AM
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23. Or Uma Thurman In Kill Bill...
: )
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 12:10 PM
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27. Or Trinity in the Matrix!
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 12:27 PM
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28. Ah, must be a generate thing
Edited on Sun Feb-12-06 12:28 PM by DoYouEverWonder
I hate to admit that I've seen none of those films. I would assume that both are amazing women?

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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 12:48 PM
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29. Ah, I saw Emma Peel in the Avengers many years ago too...
Edited on Sun Feb-12-06 12:49 PM by calipendence
.. as a kid growing up. I was thinking that Trinity fit more with Sibel's dark hair. I think it's safe to say that all of these women could kick some ass! Maybe give her Xena's weapons too!
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 08:26 PM
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11. The ultimate would be to see her debate Porter on tv about these issues.
Just to see her spank his ass in front of the American people.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 01:17 PM
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2. That Was Great... especially Because She is a Whistleblower (nt)
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 01:54 PM
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3. K&R n/t
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 02:11 PM
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4. Sibel Edmonds, I salute you!
:patriot:

Kicked and recommended!

:kick:
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 02:52 PM
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5. Sibel is ON FIRE!
Absolutely NAILS Porter Goss!

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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 03:25 PM
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6. kik
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 03:31 PM
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7. Brilliant
what a bitch slap. Go Sibel.
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StaggerLee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 04:47 PM
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8. An amazing woman!
Our fore fathers would have been proud!

Dammit, I'M proud!

:loveya: Sibel!
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 07:54 PM
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9. K&R n/t
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 08:30 PM
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12. Anyone know if she submitted it to NYT as a rebuttal op-ed piece? nt
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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 09:00 PM
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13. Great closing paragraph!
Mr. Goss, I cannot attribute this misleading op-ed to your ignorance, since you were a member of Congress until recently and are surely aware of the lack of meaningful protection for national security whistleblowers; so I won't. I will not attribute it to your stupidity, since obviously our Congress confirmed your position and I do not intend to insult their wisdom and intelligence. Thus, it must be your arrogance, nurtured and fed by your boss on your purported inherent and limitless authority and power, leading you to treat us, the American Public, as stupid.

Sincerely,
Sibel Edmonds
A Proud National Security Whistleblower





DU Folding@Home team
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 09:02 PM
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14. What kind of sputtering response will Goss have to such irrefutable logic?
Sibel Edmonds is a true patriot. She does not falter in the face of power-obsessed hubris.

:patriot:
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 10:30 AM
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21. Most likely... none.
Gross Goss just futzes along like a good little 'crat, utterly blind to the chaos and criticism in his wake.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 01:54 AM
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15. My hat's off to Sibel
for calling out and taking on people as corrupt as Goss, Bush, Cheney, etc. :toast:
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 02:55 AM
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16. NSA said "not cleared to receive" what, exactly ?!?
Unless they were publicly admitting to "unlawful and unconstitutional acts," their letter has no purpose.

Since they've already labeled Tice "crazy," why the concern over his babblings?

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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 03:32 AM
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17. K & R - Goss has contributed to the destruction of the real CIA - read
this American Prospect article:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5157551
thread title (10/25/05): Am Prospect: "The Yes Man" - How Porter Goss has all but destroyed the CIA

For all the Bushie jabber about national security, they have done more to destroy it in every way than any other administration, no comparison. But then, national security is only a demagogic slogan for them, as is religion, family, marriage, life, and all the rest. Guess "infinite greed" wouldn't sell as well in the campaign ads.

Sibel Edmonds is #1 in my "Heroes and Truth-tellers" bookmarks folder - as is only appropriate.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 09:12 PM
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31. Purges liberals at CIA for Bush, leaves the 'yes men'
The Purge At CIA
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/11/19/the_purge_at_cia/

I've heard that after Watergate and the "Family Jewels" hearings that James Schlesinger, Nixon's former Defense Sec, purged about 7% of the CIA's agents back then. Today, about the same number are estimated to have been purged, but most will be 'liberals' and free-thinkers, not the Bush 'yes men'. There is now a hiring binge going on to make up for the losses.

Time Magazine, Aug. 4, 1997, article 'Kingdom Come' p.52, makes clear that CIA and FBI have a conservative hiring preference for Mormons (a 90% Bush vote state). This conservative hiring bias, along with the purge of liberals and Democrats, will leave the old line 'Knights of Malta'/aristocratic bias completely intact.

BTW, Nixon also planned for seizing the Saudi's oilfields while Schlesinger was DefSec. Hmmmm. Purges then and now, only instead of SaudiArabia we're stuck in Iraq. Go figure. Rent Three Days of the Condor, pop a brewsky and ask yourself, did the NYTimes ever print the documents ?

Thirty years later and only after the Brits !
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0102-01.htm
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 04:10 AM
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18. Ummm.....hello? SIBEL EDMONDS FOR SENATE!!! (Then President)
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 06:52 AM
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19. K & R ...
Way to go Sibel...speaking truth to Goss!

:patriot:
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Road Scholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 07:01 AM
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20. Fantastic. Thank you. eom
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 11:03 AM
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22. "another habit of your heart " Talk about getting slammed to the floor!
More from the same scathing article.....a must read!
Last year, the CIA, your agency, classified the entire findings of the Inspector General's investigation into the failures of CIA managers prior to 9/11. Sir, I believe you made the case for this classification based on your intention to protect the wrongdoers within the CIA bureaucracy from being "stigmatized." Is this what your op-ed intended to say? Did you mean to say that these national security whistleblowers may end up stigmatizing the wrongdoers and incompetents within the rank and file of the CIA by divulging information that you decided to classify to prevent exposure of embarrassing and criminal activity? Was that a Freudian slip, since nowadays the lines get blurry between classification for national security purposes and classification to protect the agency's bureaucrats?

Mr. Goss, I cannot attribute this misleading op-ed to your ignorance, since you were a member of Congress until recently and are surely aware of the lack of meaningful protection for national security whistleblowers; so I won't. I will not attribute it to your stupidity, since obviously our Congress confirmed your position and I do not intend to insult their wisdom and intelligence. Thus, it must be your arrogance, nurtured and fed by your boss on your purported inherent and limitless authority and power, leading you to treat us, the American Public, as stupid.

Sincerely,
Sibel Edmonds
A Proud National Security Whistleblower


Hum it baby hum it! :bounce:
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jmatthan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 11:22 AM
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24. From Wikopedia:

"The U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee endorsed his nomination by a 12-4 vote on September 20, 2004, and on September 22 he was confirmed by the Senate in a 77-17 vote. Opposition to his nomination came entirely from Democrats; the Republican senators unanimously backed him, along with many prominent Democrats, including the two Democratic senators from Florida, Bob Graham and Bill Nelson, and the former Senate Minority Leader, Tom Daschle."
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 11:46 AM
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25. Why are Republicans allowed to hold public office?
They clearly aren't there to protect the interests of the American people.

Somethings rotten in Denmark.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 02:11 PM
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30. Unlesss appointed 'for life', I believe that Goss can be fired in '08
with a Democratic president being elected. Or possibly he could be pushed out if he acts to not 'preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution'.
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Benfea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 09:13 PM
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32. They are there because millions of Republicans...
…don't give a rat's ass about the interests of America or the American people. As long as Haliburton gets to ass rape the national treasury, they're pretty much happy.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 11:50 PM
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33. Bingo!
Mindless rednecks think that everyone else is getting stuff and they are cheated.

So they vote thinking that Republicans will make sure no other poor folks get anything from the government. They could care less that rich people are ass-raping the government of our money - so long as no other poor folk get it.

Ignorant morons.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 12:05 PM
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26. Sibel, You Rock
:yourock:
If only truthtellers like her were in charge.
:dem:

:loveya:
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-12-06 11:55 PM
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34. the WHISTLEBLOWER REVOLT IS ON!!!!
Go Sibel, GO!
These people are America's national heroes, along with the journalists who have refused to play along with the neocons.
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