Official Senate Committee Hearing - Electronic Surveillance - Thread 1

[Viva_La_Revolution]

10 minute countdown

CSPAN


"Wartime Executive Power and the NSA's Surveillance Authority."



Liveblogging from the hearing here - http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/

[cry baby]

1. Watching and reading Greenwald's blogging, too.

Thanks for the thread, Viva.:patriot:

[in_cog_ni_to]

2. This is going to be so good.

Morning all!:hi:

[Catchawave]

3. Will Gonzales tell the truth??

Heh.Heh.Heh.

[annabanana]

4. he didn't at his confirmation hearings. . . n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

12. No and there's no one who can make him pay for those lies either.

:( I hope Kennedy and Feingold rip him a new one.:grr:

[EFerrari]

Why spoil a perfect record?

[stop the bleeding]

5. checking in for project "Keep our Civil Liberties" -

[in_cog_ni_to]

6. This is on C-SPAN 1...for those who need to know.

:hi:

[The Witch]

7. Someone tell me when it's up :-) how long is it gonna run?

I'm gonna be in a meeting 10-11 and will miss all the good fireworks... any idea if it'll still be goin on at 11?

[in_cog_ni_to]

14. It's on now and I don't know how long it will last. Sorry. n/t

[Lasher]

27. My online TV guide says it will last until 3:30 PM EST (EOM)

[usregimechange]

8. Watching, lets take notes... here...

[Lasher]

9. OK, guess it's on CSPAN 1

There was a good economic debate on just now. But I didn't like the way the repuke seemed to get to offer a rebuttal every time the Dem spoke, and it didn't work the other way around.

Hello, Viva. I somehow knew you would open a thread.

Lasher

[The Witch]

10. yes, Viva is our monarch o'live threads

:hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

19. Monarchs are my favorite!

:hi:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

Morning!

:)

[Viva_La_Revolution]

11. Spector gavelled to order... here we go. nt

[zanne]

13. I watched Glenn Greenwald on WJ this morning...

He was a good match for the kooky professor. I'll be reading his blog today. (I'll take a constitutional lawyer's word for what's happening any day).

[usregimechange]

15. Spector cites O-Connor, Admin. Does NOT have "blank check."

[usregimechange]

17. Citing FISA. "constitutional issue"

[The Witch]

16. What senators are on the panel?

Please tell the radio-only cube rat :)

[in_cog_ni_to]

21. The same ones from the ScAlito hearing. It's the Judiciary Committee. n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. Specter, Leahy, Kohl, Kennedy, Feingold, Schumer, DiFi, Durbin

Grassley, Graham, Sessions, Hatch, and some other asshole repukes I can't think od off-hand. ;)

[The Witch]

61. Oh. I knew that. D'oh.

:dunce:

[usregimechange]

22. link...

http://judiciary.senate.gov/members.cfm

[speedoo]

30. It's the entire Judiciary Committee.

Dems are Leahy, Kennedy, Feinstein, Schumer, Durbin, Feingold, Biden, maybe others.

Repubs are Specter (chair), plus a bunch of crooks.

[EFerrari]

18. Am I too paranoid to live or will this be an attempt to

appropriate all questions about NSA spying and put them to rest?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

23. I had that same thought...

check this out...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=331960&mesg_id=331960

[EFerrari]

46. I don't trust Arle Specter further than I can throw Doug. n/t

[rodeodance]

69. I do not either and his NOT swearing in AG is the reason today!

[stop the bleeding]

20. Arlen is on n/t

[hlthe2b]

24. I can't get into Cspan's website... Anyone have a direct link

to watch the hearings (bypassing the home page?) Please?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

31. ...

Realplayer
http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

Windows Media
http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

[hlthe2b]

45. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LeftNYC]

25. Be careful Arlen...Gonzales might send you to Gitmo for water boarding.nt

[underpants]

28. Did they introduce Gonzo's "lovely family" or "compelling life story" yet?

Sorry I was a bit late getting here. I can't imagine what the purpose of Gonzales being there.

[usregimechange]

29. limiting scope of hearing to legal justification no asking about

what is taking place in terms of spying...

[usregimechange]

32. Spector will not put Gonzales under oath!

[Connie_Corleone]

34. I knew he was going to do that. nt

[Jeanette in FL]

36. I couldn't believe that one

What a friggin coward Spector is. Citing provision that would hold Gonzales accountable if he were not truthful.

[Lasher]

50. Well, that settles it, get out the whitewash buckets!

Why have hearings if nobody's going to be under oath? They could just let O'Reilly handle this.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

33. Spector just said he is NOT going to make Gonzales swear

to tell the truth!!

[rodeodance]

37. I can not believe this.

[in_cog_ni_to]

38. believe it. These people are slime. PURE slime. n/t

[LeftNYC]

39. Oaths, we dont need no stinking oaths

Doesnt matter Alberto has seen fit to change laws at will anyway.

[Catchawave]

35. Arlen Warned AG: law provides penalties for false statements!

[Jeanette in FL]

40. Well we will have to pay close attention

to try to see if he lies about anything. Sheesh.

[rodeodance]

41. I had my doubts about SPecter--and this one of NOT swearing In--begins

my distruct today.

[berner59]

42. Already putting on the brakes...2 faced Spector....

No videos to be used...no swearing in...what's next...gavel down - hearing over, we don't need it???

[rodeodance]

47. I wonder if he worked this out with the WH???

[Catchawave]

51. Feingold Q's Spector about not swearing in !!!!!

Gooooooooooo Russ!!!!!

[speedoo]

63. Leahy also.

Did Leahy just say that Gonzales' confirmation hearings statements were suspect?

[Sydnie]

65. Like what? No pass to the lunch room? shit!

these guys NEVER swear that they are telling the truth. I think witnesses in regular trials should start challenging the swearing in. If it's good enough for our leaders, why not the general public. Anarchy is starting with THEM! :grr: :mad:

[usregimechange]

43. No video? I bet that was Bush saying he always gets warrants

Feingold I bet!

[berner59]

Dems already on Spectors case...

Regarding swearing in...go go go!!!!

[Connie_Corleone]

44. Will not allow video of Bush and Gonzales.

These hearings are bullshit already.

[rodeodance]

52. Russ Feingold is contesting the NOT swearing IN--as is Leahy

[LeftNYC]

55. Will this hearing really make a difference? I am trying not to be

pessimistic...

[Jeanette in FL]

48. Feingold questioning about swearing in

Good

[Viva_La_Revolution]

49. Feingold questioning the not swearing in!

:loveya:

[rodeodance]

57. Leahy saying Fmr AG Reno had been sworn in.

[in_cog_ni_to]

53. Feingold want him sworn in. Asked what the difference is between THIS

hearing and the last hearing. Leahy speaking now.

[The Witch]

56. Oh I love it, thank you Russ for standing up

whatta man :loveya:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

59. agreeing with Feingold and bringing up

the fact that Reno and others were made to swear in!

Go dems! :woohoo:

[speedoo]

105. Feingold demands a roll call vote. Way to go Russ.

Another demonstration of the partisan nature of the hearing.

Now Russ says he wants to see the proxies of the absent rethug senators.

Spector and Sessions whining now about Feingold's demands.

God, I hate Sessions.

[usregimechange]

54. Feingold Leahy, swear him in!

[LeftNYC]

58. nice!!! nt

[usregimechange]

Spector denies! Feingold asked about warrants at Gonz. confirmation

[rodeodance]

62. Specter sure blew the opening!--lame reason not to swear IN>

[Lasher]

67. That's right, at least object to it!

Specter's going to do what he wants, but don't let it just go by without objection.

[Catchawave]

73. Debating "swearing itn" ????

Swear the little bushbot in !!!!!! Geeesh, what's so hard about that!?

[Nimrod2005]

60. Just fry his ass on TV right NOW!!!!! n/t

[LeftNYC]

64. yeeeeeeeees, torture the tortue king...nt

[LSK]

66. Ask Specter WHAT HARM could come from swearing in??!?

[LSK]

71. Leahy asking now

[Jeanette in FL]

68. The Dems should walk out now

and declare this a sham. They should make a scene about it.

[rodeodance]

76. Leahy says (as does AG)--that he does NOT mind being sworn in.

[The Witch]

70. Arlen bloviating "Well I considered your request"

"but because I don't see the problem you don't get to swear him in."

:mad:

[livvy]

72. Just make the lying sucker swear in...

If he plans on telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, why not swear him in?
You tell him, Leahy.

[EFerrari]

74. Specter will not swear in Torquemada!

This is BULLSH@t!

[BlueEyedSon]

83. WHAT ARE THEY HIDING????

[LeftNYC]

Whats the difference...Just swear him in...He isnt going to lie right?

haha

[LeftNYC]

87. Why are the Repugs so scared? nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

75. Shit. This is just another pony show. This hearing will be USELESS

without the witnesses being sworn in.

[stop the bleeding]

78. agreed n/t

[rodeodance]

82. Roll call vote now --Leady appealed the ruling of the Chair.

[liveoaktx]

77. What a lame-o excuse for not swearing in Gonzales....

ugh-bad start to the hearing.

[berner59]

85. Love the feisty start from the dems...

Show some spine!!!!

[Viva_La_Revolution]

Roll call vote on the decision of the chair!

getting juicy already!

[usregimechange]

79. Roll call on Spector appeal that Gonz. not be sworn!

[The Witch]

80. Haha! Who was the one who said Aye!

ahah

[LSK]

81. Roll Call - party line vote i bet

This is such horseshit!

[rodeodance]

86. Specter did a proxy vote for Sen Brownback!! my gawd!

[rodeodance]

93. NOw Russ F. wants to SEE the proxy by Repugs NOT present.

[rodeodance]

97. oh my---Specter DOES NOT have the proxies--he is fumbling all over!

[in_cog_ni_to]

88. NO DOUBT. These rat bastards. I detest them all.

HAVE THEY NO IDEA WHAT this spying crap means????

[LeftNYC]

91. What are they hiding? nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

111. THAT IS THE QUESTION! and one ALL the Dems should be asking! n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

84. Roll call vote on the swearing in of Gonzales. n/t

[DemonGoddess]

89. Feingold just

requested to see the proxies given by the Republican senators

[usregimechange]

92. Feingold pissed! Asks to see proxy!

[berner59]

101. Feingold is THE BEST!!!!!!!

He is on them on every word....GOOOO RUSSS!!!!!!

[Arkansas Granny]

104. How good is his testimony going to be if he's not sworn?

That gives him free license to lie his ass off.

[The Witch]

90. Feingold doesn't believe the Repub senators actually voted by proxy.

:P I love this man

[GreenPartyVoter]

96. Cool. I am so glad he is not letting anything slide

[The Witch]

106. yes, my heart skipped a beat

:loveya: russ

[Viva_La_Revolution]

94. Feingold requesting to see the Proxys

Spector doesn't have them I'll bet!

[stop the bleeding]

95. this is a sham n/t

[rodeodance]

107. so, Specter tried to pull a fast one and got caught by Russ F on Nat. TV!

[in_cog_ni_to]

98. Hahahahahahahaha! Feingold wants to see the proxy votes of the repukes.

They don't have them! WTG Russ!

[The Witch]

99. Sessions has faith in Torquemada, therefore no oath necessary.

Love the faith-based reasoning.. :eyes:

[LSK]

109. Sessions is the biggest IDIOT in the Senate

[speedoo]

118. Oh fuck you Sessions!!

You are among the dumbest Senators ever.

[EFerrari]

100. Contact info for Specter:

Washington DC Office
711 Hart Building
Washington, DC 20510
Tel: [phone]
Email: Contact Form Washington, DC

Pennsylvania Offices
Allentown Office
Suite 3814, Federal Building
504 W. Hamilton
Allentown, PA 18101
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Erie Office
Federal Building, Suite B-120
17 South Park Row
Erie, PA 16501
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Harrisburg Office
Room 1104, Federal Building
228 Walnut Street
Harrisburg, PA 17101
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Philadelphia Office
600 Arch Street
Suite 9400
Philadelphia, PA 19106
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Pittsburgh Office
Regional Enterprise Tower (old Alcoa Building)
425 Sixth Avenue, Suite 1450
Pittsburgh, PA 15219
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Scranton Office
310 Spruce Street
Suite 201
Scranton, PA 18503
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Wilkes-Barre Office
7 North Wilkes Barre Boulevard
Stegmaier Building, Room 377M
Wilkes-Barre, PA 18702
Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

[LSK]

102. could the Repukes be any more disgusting

FUCK, JUST SWEAR THE ASSHOLE IN YOU DUMBFUCKS

FUCK

[leftchick]

112. It shows you what a fucking sham this hearing is

:argh:

[BlueEyedSon]

113. No....crooks in fancy suits.

[laruemtt]

103. wow! Feingold's got my vote!

the guy's doing what ALL dems should be doing. wth is wrong with specter?

[LeftNYC]

108. FIGHT! FIGHT! Nice job Russ..nt

[rodeodance]

117. Specter shamed himself on National TV!!--then tried to switch the topic.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

110. Thread 2 is up!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x333378

[flyarm]

114. what bullshit..this is already a disgrace...i feel sick of my own

government!

i fucking hate these assholes!

we are not going to swear this witness...what a fucking sham!

fly

[stop the bleeding]

115. Anyone F**king pissed right now !!!!!!

:argh::argh::argh:

:grr::grr::grr::grr:

:mad::mad::mad::mad:

[kentuck]

116. Feingold is putting the feet to the fire right from the start...

There is not going to be any bullshit.

[Lasher]

119. Specter's right about one thing, this isn't a good way to start

But I don't believe he's thinking about it the way I am.

The fix is in. I don't know how much longer I'll be watching this charade.

[ncrainbowgrrl]

120. Locking-time for thread #2.

Here's thread # 2

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x333378