Fla. City Plans Homeless-Only Village

[The Straight Story]

Fla. City Plans Homeless-Only Village

POSTED: 5:57 pm EST January 19, 2007

A controversial proposal in Daytona Beach, Fla., would create a special village to house hundreds of the county's homeless people, Local 6 News has learned.

Volusia County Council members are expected to consider a plan to build the Tiger Bay Village and treatment facility for the area's 2,500 homeless community.

"Although it is only in its exploratory stages, developers for the Tiger Bay Village say it is invaluable," Local 6's Tarik Minor said.

Developer Michael Arth is proposing to build a 5,600-bed community on a 125-acre lot of rural land.



http://www.local6.com/news/10796453/detail.html

[WindRavenX]

1. well, it is a step forward in addressing needs. But this society shouldn't have anyone homeless

We're the richest country in the world. It's appalling that everyone's basic needs in this country are not being met.

[liberal renegade]

3. It is a travesty

but we gotta keep the military industrial complex well fed....:sarcasm:

[porphyrian]

4. My thoughts exactly. - n/t

[Mika]

11. We're the richest country in the world? Last I checked, we have the largest debt.

Black = White
War = Peace
Slavery = Freedom
largest debt = richest

[WindRavenX]

12. But, we still could easily pay for universal basic needs

Debt or not.

We just choose to feed the machine of war.

[LibraLiz1973]

16. Your half right. We just are not the richest country in the world anymore.

[Ian David]

2. Ghetto, Concentration Camp, or Refugee Camp?

Life in the Warsaw Ghetto

Smuggling began at the very moment that the Jewish area of residence was established; its inhabitants were forced to live on 180 grams of bread a day, 220 grams of sugar a month, 1 kg. of jam and 1 kg. of honey, etc. It was calculated that the officially supplied rations did not cover even 10 percent of the normal requirements. If one had wanted really to restrict oneself to the official rations then the entire population of the ghetto would have had to die of hunger in a very short time....

The German authorities did everything to seal off the ghetto hermetically and not to allow in a single gram of food. A wall was put up around the ghetto on all sides that did not leave a single millimeter of open space....

They fixed barbed wire and broken glass to the top of the wall. When that failed to help, the Judenrat was ordered to make the wall higher, at the expense of the Jews, of course....

Several kinds of guards were appointed for the walls and the passages through them; the categories of guards were constantly being changed and their numbers increased. The walls were guarded by the gendarmerie together with the Polish police; at the ghetto wall there were gendarmerie post, Polish police and Jewish police...The victims of the smuggling were mainly Jews, but they were not lacking either among the Aryans (Poles). Auerswald, too, employed sharply repressive measures to stop the smuggling. Several times smugglers were shot at the central lock-up on Gesiowka Street. Once there was a veritable slaughter (100 persons were shot near Warsaw). Among the Jewish victims of the smuggling there were tens of Jewish children between 5 and 6 years old, whom the German killers shot in great numbers near the passages and at the walls....

And despite that, without paying attention to the victims, the smuggling never stopped for a moment. When the street was still slippery with the blood that had been spilled, other smugglers already set out, as soon as the "candles" had signaled that the way was clear, to carry on with the work....

Source: Life in the Warsaw Ghetto, Emanuel Ringelblum quoted in Yad Vashem Documents on the Holocaust, pp 228-229.

More:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/life_in_warsaw.html

[fishnfla]

5. THIS REPORT IS SERIOUSLY FLAWED

For one thing, it is being proposed outside of the city limits, on county land. They want to put the homeless out of the cities

For another thing, it is being proposed by a private developer to the county council. The develpoer has a stick up his ass because he claims an area in the city of DeLand that he redevelpoed is being ruined by crime, which he feels is due to homeless people, with no direct evidence.

[sam sarrha]

8. the excess crime is the Junkies on Afgani Herion;.. largest crop in history, ..wonder why..??

[rodeodance]

10. thats where the TB hospitals used to be located----CONTAGION

[sam sarrha]

6. locking up destitute families with the mentally ill and molesters and addicts.!!!!

:wtf:

[BeHereNow]

7. Kamp Katrina 2? I suppose Halliburton will get the kkkontract?

Gee, keeping your population in poverty while pouring
billions into the corporate/military black hole is such
a clever business strategy, don't ya think?

Looks like it is working too!

BHN

[rodeodance]

9. 'rural land" umm.....

[liberal renegade]

13. Any ideas on how we can

solve the problem of homelessness. Homesteading of all federal ground would be a good start. JMO..

[pitohui]

14. homesteading of all federal ground a terrible idea

you need to re-read your copy of the tragedy of the commons

united states has one of the highest rates of extinction of any nation in the world, if not the highest of any large nation, we are killing our wild as it is

in any case -- squatters squatting on our hard-preserved wilderness lands and destroying what little is left of our wild is not the answer to the issue of the homeless, most homeless don't have what it takes to homestead in any case, they almost invariably have serious health issues often including war injuries, mental health problems, and addictions

to throw such people onto federal land -- much of which is desert -- is just a nice way of putting them out of the way and letting them die without food, water, shelter, or medicine

the people who have the resourcefulness of our pioneer heritage have the resourcefulness to get and hold real jobs and businesses, they don't need to be shipped off to death valley or the like

and certainly our war veterans who are homeless should be provided w. a decent place to live, near good medical centers, which means cities, they should not be warehoused in out of the way concentration camps

and that's JMHO

[liberal renegade]

17. so how do we fix it?

[pitohui]

21. it seems self evident to me how to fix it

1) better funding for veteran's health care including mental health care, if a veteran says he has a war injury and we're not sure, we err in favor of the veteran -- think of how agent orange going untreated all those years beggared vets and their families -- if the vet says his mental illness is caused by the war, treat the damn illness, give him support, don't just blow off vets and tell them they're malingering, next thing you know they're on the street 10 years and the problem has only gotten worse

2) the mental hospitals closed by reagan should be replaced by high quality, humane long term hospitals for the treatment resistant mentally ill and the substance abusers -- we have almost no long term mental health treatment in this country for anyone who is not convicted of a serious crime -- even addictions are supposed to be gone away in 28 days, which is a joke

3) new deal type jobs programs with pay that provides a decent living, not make work or workfare, but important jobs that would not otherwise be funded, there are a lot of jobs in the area of reclaiming wetlands, rebuilding habitats, etc. that fall in this area

4) a high quality public child care system that gives single moms the option of being able to work

5) well-trained, highly visible police who are part of the community instead of being seen as an enemy of the community -- if i am not setting fires or otherwise behaving badly, i should not have to be afraid of the police when i am between homes


this plan may border on socialism to some minds, but to my mind, this plan creates good jobs (badly needed to prevent more families from becoming homeless) and may actually also help those people who cannot reasonably ever be expected to work (the severely ill, damaged, old, or addicted)

it would cost money but would it cost more money as a percentage of the budget than the "new deal"? i doubt it, and we were able to fund that during the great depression

[LeftyMom]

15. Rural land?

How are homeless people to get to doctors, social workers, jobs and family if they're warehoused outside of town? Seems to me homeless people need to be integrated back into the community, not torn out of it and warehoused out in the hinterlands.

[liberal renegade]

18. I didn't say

anything about warehousing people into the hinterlands.

[LeftyMom]

19. I wasn't replying to you, either. nt

[liberal renegade]

20. my bad

and I do apologize.:blush:

[pitohui]

22. i agree

there are some homeless so badly damaged they will never hold jobs, these people are the most likely to need good access to doctors and other forms of social support

there are other homeless who just need a helping hand to get back on track, i can personally think of plenty of disaster victims who are fine now, just needed the help of a trailer for a few months to a year to get their situation together, and those folks need to be where the jobs and educational opportunities are

when i was younger i was briefly homeless on a couple of occasions, both times, the resources found in the city allowed me to pick myself up pretty quickly, i mean, realistically, that's where the resources are going to be

people living in isolated rural areas need to be more resourceful than average and probably need to have less health challenges than average just as a practical matter -- also the job situation in many rural areas is not at all good