ABC Poll of Senators: 28 of 77 would vote differently knowing then what they know now

[Laura PourMeADrink]

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2771576&page=1

Jan. 5, 2007 — Of the 77 Senators who voted to authorize the use of force in Iraq in October 2002:

28 indicated they would vote differently knowing then what they know now:

1. Sen. Max Baucus, R-Mont.
2. Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind.
3. Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del.
4. Former Sen. John Breaux, D-La.
5. Sen. Maria Cantwell, D-Wash.
6. former Sen. Jean Carnahan, D-Mo.
7. Sen. Tom Carper, D-Del.
8. Former Sen. Max Cleland, R-Ga.
9. Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y.
10. Former Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D.
11. Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn.
12. Former Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C.
13. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.
14. Former Sen. Peter Fitzgerald, R-Ill.
15. Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa
16. Former Sen. Fritz Hollings, D-S.C.
17. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas
18. Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass.
19. Sen. Herb Kohl, R-Wis.
20. Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La.
21. Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla.
22. Former Sen. Ben Nighthorse Campbell, R-Colo.
23. Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va.
24. Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y.
25. Sen. Gordon Smith, R-Ore.
26. Former Sen. Bob Smith, R-N.H.
27. Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine
28. Former Sen. Bob Torricelli, R-N.J.

5 said the intelligence in retrospect was so wrong the matter would never even have been voted on:
1. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.
2. Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine
3. Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa
4. Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D.
5. Former Sen. Mike DeWine, R-Ohio

1 said the intelligence in retrospect was so wrong Congress never would have passed it:

1. Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa.

15 stood by their vote:

1. Sen. Kit Bond, R-Mo.
2. Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan.
3. Sen. Joe Lieberman, ID-Conn.
4. Former Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn.
5. Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah
6. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.
7. Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb.
8. Sen. Dick Lugar, R-Ind.
9. Sen. Craig Thomas, R-Wyo.
10. Sen. Jim Inhofe, R-Okla.
11. Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kan.
12. former Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa.
13. former Sen. George Allen, R-Va.
14. Sen. Mike Crapo, R-Idaho
15. Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho

[Laura PourMeADrink]

1. Never heard Clinton admit this ! nt

[LynneSin]

11. Clinton is no where near the war hawk as Lieberman is

She just doesn't say where she stands just in case she makes the run for president.

[sandnsea]

16. I didn't either

I heard her say the vote would never have come up if the intelligence wasn't there, which is a no-brainer really. It's also a no-brainer to say that knowing there were no WMD, they wouldn't have voted for the IWR. That's completely different than saying knowing that Bush was lying, they wouldn't have voted for the IWR. Very few on that list have said that and that's what they need to be saying if we're to ever guarantee this stuff never happens again.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

2. Kay Bailey ???? Yikes.

[gilpo]

3. Nelson should watch the company he keeps

he might be mistaken for a rethug.

[wryter2000]

4. Cleland a Republican?

Did I miss something?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

and wasn't torcelli a dem?

[wryter2000]

19. You could be right

I'm not that familiar with him.

[KAZ]

23. Yep. They mislabeled Baucus, Cleland, and Torricelli.

[liberalpragmatist]

25. And Herb Kohl (also D)

[Tom Joad]

5. if only the senate had had brains millions of us on the street did...

How come workin' stiffs protested the war and got it right in the beginning, and these high-payed sleazeballs got it so wrong?

[frogcycle]

14. you answered your own question

"high-paid" (by lobbyists)
"sleazeballs"

[TahitiNut]

6. 9 refused to answer the hypothetical question:

1. Sen. Blanche Lincoln, D-Ark.
2. Sen. George Voinovich, R-Ohio
3. Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb.
4. Sen. John Warner, R-Va.
5. Sen. Dick Shelby, R-Ala.
6. former Sen. Tim Hutchinson, R-Ark.
7. Sen. Pete Domenici, R-N.M.
8. Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Ala.
9. Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala.

[pettypace]

7. Great.

So by that count its 57-43 against the vote, and maybe 58-42 assuming Tim Johnson voted with the Dems.

I love this question by ABC. Its marks for the record which Sen. nows regrets HJ 116.

Also, didn't realized Kohl switched parties.

[newyawker99]

20. Hi pettypace!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[bigwillq]

26. Hi!

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[TahitiNut]

8. 16 refused to respond despite repeated requests:

1. Sen Wayne Allard, R-Colo.
2. Sen. Bob Bennett, R-Utah
3. Sen. Jim Bunning, R-Ky.
4. Former Sen. Conrad Burns, R-Mont.
5. Sen. Thad Cochran, R-Miss.
6. Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev.
7. Sen. Mike Enzi, R-Wyo.
8. Former Sen. Phil Gramm, R-Texas
9. Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H.
10. Sen. John Kyl, R-Ariz.
11. Sen. Trent Lott, R-Miss.
12. Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.
13. Former Sen. Zell Miller, D-Ga.
14. Former Sen. Frank Murkowski, R-Ala.
15. Former Sen. Don Nickles, R-Okla.
16. Former Sen. Fred Thompson, R-Tenn.


Want a list of abominably corrupt politicians? Start here. Tools.

[Tom Joad]

18. Love seeing the word "Former" in some of these titles!

[LynneSin]

9. So how will Bob Casey and Jim Webb?

I mean that takes TWO more out of the "I stand by my vote"

[frogcycle]

10. and three of the 15 holdouts are gone...

leaving 12

only hatch, lugar, lieberman, and mccain stand out in my mind as having any national prominence, and I'd be hard pressed to think I was in good shape if that was all I had watching my back. i would not trust lieberman or mccain as far as i could throw them - their positions are totally self-serving. hatch and luger are old-time repubs who havent yet gotten up the gumption to stray from the fold, but they certainly haven't been outspoken on 'stay the course' etc.

the others all come from (relatively) sparsely populated states(as do hatch and luger): kansas, nebraska, idaho, oklahoma, indiana, missouri

not much of a power base there, is it? hell, promise to spend some money on ethanol production, and you "own" those states too!

[spanone]

12. That's pathetic. Every damned one of them should be sorry for that vote. IMHO

[salin]

13. To those who periodically look to Dick Lugar's criticisms of the admin...

look where he falls on the list. Even though he expressed skepticism at the time, there he is on the still would vote for the war. Don't be fooled by his, at times, sane sounding criticism - in the end he goes along with the powers that be.

[iconoclastic cat]

15. So, chimpeach already! nt

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

17. Glad to see my senator, Cantwell, finally came out of her DLC induced coma.

Now that it's politically safe to do so.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

21. You are misrepresenting the poll.

Jan. 5, 2007 — Of the 77 Senators who voted to authorize the use of force in Iraq in October 2002:

28 indicated they would vote differently knowing then what they know now:


They weren't being asked if they would rescind the IWR now. They were asked if they would have voted differently in 2002. This is not a subtle distinction. There is a big difference between refusing to grant authority for a war in the first place, and rescinding authority to conduct that war while it is in progress.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

24. Oops!

Sorry, I got this confused with another nearly identical thread I was reading at the same time. That thread was misrepresenting the poll, not this one. Apologies.

[liberalnurse]

22. I can't seem to find

Sen. Voinovich's vote....Ohio??????:shrug:

[Imagevision]

27. Gop'ers running scared about losing their jobs in 08 elections , plain & simple!!

"last chance Bush" is running out of options, listening to the generals on the ground while he replaces Ahbazied and Casey with generals on the ground that will carry Bush's crazy ambitions!!