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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 12:16 AM Original message |
Another Inconvenient Truth: Why aren't we working to reduce U.S. birthrates? |
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jus_the_facts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 12:21 AM Response to Original message |
1. It's too inconvenient to discuss apparently.... |
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Ayesha (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 12:23 AM Response to Original message |
2. It smacks of fascism |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 12:30 AM Response to Reply #2 |
10. No one is talking about government intervention here |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 12:26 PM Response to Reply #10 |
54. I hate to break this to you but |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 11:11 PM Response to Reply #54 |
90. We sublimate all sorts of natural drives for the sake of society |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 07:28 PM Response to Reply #90 |
116. Yes but the sublimation of procreation is associated with fascism |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 09:51 AM Response to Reply #116 |
121. This is as stupid as calling a railway company fascist because its trains are on time. -nt |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 12:39 PM Response to Reply #121 |
125. BS. The control of procreation is a fascist one. |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 09:49 AM Response to Reply #54 |
120. Ditto for eating |
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Crandor (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 11:21 PM Response to Reply #10 |
93. Government action is the only sane way to reduce population |
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Larry_the_hiker (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 12:14 AM Response to Reply #93 |
96. Agreed! Two children maximum |
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aint_no_life_nowhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 12:44 AM Response to Reply #2 |
20. I agree that that is the way - it's all about education |
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StrongbadTehAwesome (623 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 12:23 AM Response to Original message |
3. It seems the more difficult choices were overlooked. |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 02:03 AM Response to Reply #3 |
27. Making Birth Control and Abortion Available to Women Who Want Them SHOULD be an Easy Choice |
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jilln (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 04:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
113. That's because people have a RIGHT |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
4. With the RWers going into reproductive overdrive? |
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rebel with a cause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 12:40 AM Response to Reply #4 |
18. Got to get more of those white babies out there. |
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ScreamingWhisper (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 12:32 PM Response to Reply #18 |
55. wow. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 08:57 PM Response to Reply #55 |
79. Well, I see the fundies bragging about it. They are into |
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rebel with a cause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 10:58 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. thank you. |
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rebel with a cause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 10:57 PM Response to Reply #55 |
83. So I am nuts? double wow. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
5. Our birthrate is already below replacement rate. What good will |
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silverojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 12:26 AM Response to Original message |
6. Now if only someone would suggest this to the illegals coming here |
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splat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 12:27 AM Response to Original message |
7. Because we're making more RW Republicans w/o birth control |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 12:39 AM Response to Reply #7 |
17. I don't buy that argument |
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rebel with a cause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 01:35 AM Response to Reply #17 |
23. Well, there is a big difference about what they are planning. |
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Higans (819 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 12:29 AM Response to Original message |
8. We need more troops to send to Iraq to die for Saudi intrests. N/T |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 12:29 AM Response to Original message |
9. We are animals...the only real purpose we have is to fuck and breed. |
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LynzM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 12:35 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. This pretty much matches my mood, tonight. |
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judaspriestess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 02:16 PM Response to Reply #12 |
67. you said it !!! |
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NoBushSpokenHere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 12:32 AM Response to Original message |
11. Suggesting social conscientiousness is necessary nt kr |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 12:36 AM Response to Original message |
13. Because no real issue other than war and getting screwn has been |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 12:37 AM Response to Original message |
14. Because people want to retire |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 06:29 PM Response to Reply #14 |
71. you could always make SS an entitlement |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 11:01 AM Response to Reply #14 |
122. More workers at McJobs? How is that going to help? |
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earthside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 12:38 AM Response to Original message |
15. The Root Cause ... |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 12:50 AM Response to Reply #15 |
22. You're against immigration because of overpopulation? Wouldn't |
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index555 (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 02:16 AM Response to Reply #22 |
30. Generally new immigrants have a very high birth rate |
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justice1 (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 02:40 AM Response to Reply #30 |
37. Haven't seen any studies, but that's what I figured happens. |
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suziedemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 07:38 AM Response to Reply #30 |
51. That's true, if the US had no immigrants for the last 30 years, our birth rate |
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PaulaFarrell (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 01:07 PM Response to Reply #30 |
58. Mexico now has a birth rate of 2.1 children per family |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 01:41 PM Response to Reply #22 |
62. Yeah, some want the US to become a Gated Community. |
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Patchuli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 02:12 AM Response to Reply #15 |
29. You are of course, correct |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
16. None Is Best - but One or Two is Better than Three or Four |
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Stargazer99 (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 12:41 AM Response to Original message |
19. RW Fundies should be told to shut up and mind their own |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
21. We are working on it. It's the irresponsible overbreeding shitbags who aren't. |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 01:36 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. What qualifies as an irresponsible, overbreeding shitbag, Rabrrrrr? |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 02:01 AM Response to Original message |
25. have you ever read any writings about "conviviality"? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 02:03 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Cool -- I haven't seen this before. Thanks! |
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Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 02:06 AM Response to Original message |
28. Corporatism needs workers willing to work for food |
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LiberalEsto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 05:20 PM Response to Reply #28 |
69. Don't forget cannon fodder nt |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 02:20 AM Response to Original message |
31. the biological imperative IS to reproduce and |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 02:25 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Parrots DEFINITELY count as children |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 02:36 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Cute kid |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 02:40 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. He's also an honor student |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 02:47 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. I say it's love |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 02:33 AM Response to Original message |
33. Why aren't we working to reduce worldwide birthrates? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 02:38 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. We are |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 02:42 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. What's the current stat? 1 American child == 5 third-world children... |
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stubtoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 01:16 PM Response to Reply #38 |
59. I heard 10 |
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justice1 (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 02:43 AM Response to Reply #33 |
39. Warren Buffett has been for years. |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 02:45 AM Response to Original message |
40. I've believed this for a long time. Is Clark having only one kid "advocacy?" |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 02:50 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Agreed. I don't understand it, esp in progressives. |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 02:53 AM Response to Original message |
43. I ain't gettin' any |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 02:54 AM Response to Original message |
44. BTW, if you really want to get sick, check out this thread |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 03:15 AM Response to Original message |
45. Sweetie, you might want to check the numbers first. |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 03:38 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Umm...which numbers sweetie? |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 03:35 AM Response to Original message |
46. Nobody in politics wants to touch that one |
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OneBlueSky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 03:51 AM Response to Original message |
48. why aren't we funding a Manhattan Project for alternative energy? . . . |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 04:03 AM Response to Original message |
49. Because it's not as significant a factor to our population growth as immigration. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 12:19 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. but that misses the essential point of the OP, which remains valid.... |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 04:12 AM Response to Reply #53 |
103. I'm certainly all for reducing world birth rates... |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 01:44 PM Response to Reply #49 |
63. And those immigrants just aren't the "right sort".... |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 04:21 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. I said no such thing. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 06:40 PM Response to Reply #49 |
72. But it's the planet's population that matters |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 07:39 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. I agree that world birthrates should decrease. However, the OP was talking about the U.S. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 10:49 AM Response to Reply #73 |
104. The migrants will fill in the void anywhere |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 03:11 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. There is no void. |
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rollin74 (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 05:12 AM Response to Original message |
50. U.S. birth rate is barely at replacement level |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 01:47 PM Response to Reply #50 |
65. We still have immigration. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
52. some of us are-- vasectomy in 1980-- two adults, one child... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
56. The point of my OP was to ask the question |
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rollin74 (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 01:40 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. to me... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 01:45 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. I'm saying we should do both |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 07:52 PM Response to Reply #56 |
75. Ah, then you're talking about ways to reduce population in industrialized countries... |
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lies and propaganda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
57. because Jesus wants us to have babies. |
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liberal hypnotist (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 12:43 PM Response to Reply #57 |
126. At last common sense. |
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itsmesgd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
60. Doing my part here. |
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JacksonWest (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
66. Good luck. |
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Lisa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
70. we do! Programs like Social Security, Medicare, and educational grants ... |
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Nikia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
74. Population is good for the economy |
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taught_me_patience (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
76. We need to encourage more population growth |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 08:41 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. You realize you've just described a pyramid scheme? |
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The2ndWheel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 10:08 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Now you might be onto something |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 11:02 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. Exactly. Look at the economic indicators... |
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taught_me_patience (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 02:51 AM Response to Reply #85 |
100. There seems to be no indication |
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Crandor (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 02:54 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Well, we better hope for more productivity then |
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piedmont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 03:04 AM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Infinite growth of population is not possible with finite resources. |
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Crandor (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 11:06 PM Response to Reply #76 |
88. How can you have a permanently expanding population without a permanently expanding resource base? |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
78. I've done my part. Can't answer for anybody else. |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 09:55 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. here too |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 10:55 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. here three |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 07:27 PM Response to Reply #82 |
115. Me four |
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Crandor (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 11:02 PM Response to Reply #80 |
86. If human extinction is what you want, a better way would be to have MORE children. nt |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 11:05 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. We don't want to take the rest of the planet down with us |
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Crandor (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 11:14 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. Well then your movement is completely ineffective |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 11:44 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. Yes, because reducing the human population to two would be a complete failure |
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Crandor (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 01:37 AM Response to Reply #94 |
98. It is a failure if your goal is extinction. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 01:57 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. You're being silly and you're splitting hairs |
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IDemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 11:15 PM Response to Reply #86 |
92. Not the whole biosphere |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-19-06 11:07 PM Response to Reply #80 |
89. My girlfriend's a member of VHE |
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Heywood J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
95. Let's be honest. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 01:34 AM Response to Reply #95 |
97. Advocating racial integration used to get under people's skin |
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Lipton64 (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
106. We should be working to increase birthrates..... |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 03:20 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. Wonder why that "racism" card keeps being played? |
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Lipton64 (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 07:23 PM Response to Reply #107 |
114. "My fantasy future" doesn't bother me...... |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 08:22 AM Response to Reply #114 |
118. So--if you want stronger controls on abortion.... |
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aint_no_life_nowhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 04:32 PM Response to Reply #106 |
111. Overpopulation to me is a far greater issue than left vs. right |
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Lipton64 (140 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 07:30 PM Response to Reply #111 |
117. Well America really isn't going to be much of a fart on the planet..... |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
108. US birthrates are fine... we basically are only growing |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
109. Man, did you just step in it! |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
110. kick |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-20-06 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
112. The A.I.T. new DVD that's out has an extra 30 minute update... |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
119. I seem to remember overpopulation mentioned, |
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warrens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
123. Apart from hispanics and new immigrants |
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liberal hypnotist (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-21-06 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
124. Good Point |
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